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Posted by Joe on Wed May 7 16:44:44 2025 Low ridership |
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Re: Seattle |
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Posted by zac on Wed May 7 17:17:17 2025, in response to Seattle, posted by Joe on Wed May 7 16:44:44 2025. Having lived in Seattle a long time ago this doesn't surprise me at all. It is a very car-centric city. I used the buses myself for a while, and it was always an option even though I had a car. The last place I lived was between 2 bus lines about 2 blocks from my house each direction so it could be convenient, except that when I wanted to go home I didn't want to wait even 10 minutes for a ride that was only about 15. OTOH, when I go to Manhattan from Brooklyn now I don't mind waiting 10 minutes for the train since it is at least a half hour and more like 45 minutes for the ride. |
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Re: Not Seattle |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 7 18:23:00 2025, in response to Re: Seattle, posted by zac on Wed May 7 17:17:17 2025. This article is about a line that goes from Redmond to Bellevue.Lake Washington lies between Seattle and those cities. No rail transit crosses Lake Washington. So the best NYC analog might be the HBLR, but without the existence of the PATH and ferries to connect that to NYC Transit. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 7 18:26:15 2025, in response to Re: Seattle, posted by zac on Wed May 7 17:17:17 2025. I've used the the line from Seatac to downtown once in each direction and it had decent usage.On the other hand, 45 years ago I lived in Renton and never used public transit. Even now, the system doesn't seem very useful (and the demand isn't there either) for trips other than north or south of Seattle to downtown. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 8 11:10:31 2025, in response to Re: Not Seattle, posted by AlM on Wed May 7 18:23:00 2025. The line is eventually supposed to cross Lake Washington, at which point it would be more useful.Right now it’s like the isolated Rockaway Shuttle running from Far Rockaway to Rockaway Park. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 8 13:44:56 2025, in response to Seattle, posted by Joe on Wed May 7 16:44:44 2025. Archive.ph snapshot because I'm sick to death of looking at ST's paywall. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu May 8 15:12:54 2025, in response to Re: Seattle?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 8 11:10:31 2025. Right now it’s like the isolated Rockaway Shuttle running from Far Rockaway to Rockaway Park.Well, that's a slight exaggeration. The east side of Lake Washington has a sizeable population. And I-405 running north-south east of the lake was crowded even when I lived there in the late 70s, and there's been a lot of growth since. |
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Re: Bellevue WA |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu May 8 19:16:21 2025, in response to Bellevue WA, posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 8 13:44:56 2025. My aunt and uncle lived in Bellevue when they first moved out there in late 1958. My uncle was hired by Boeing to design aircraft fuel cells. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu May 8 19:37:04 2025, in response to Re: Seattle?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 8 11:10:31 2025. I should add that there is a huge Boeing factory in Renton, exactly at the south end of Lake Washington. This adds greatly to the traffic on the east side of the lake, and the Bellevue-Redmond light rail comes nowhere near this factory. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 8 21:07:57 2025, in response to Re: Seattle?, posted by AlM on Thu May 8 15:12:54 2025. I did try to think of something better, and then I came up with:It’s like if when the QB line opened it only ran down the crosstown to Nassau Avenue and the 53rd Street Tunnel didn’t open for another year. |
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Re: Not Seattle |
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Posted by zac on Fri May 9 07:50:08 2025, in response to Re: Not Seattle, posted by AlM on Wed May 7 18:23:00 2025. On the east side the local buses were non-existent back then. All the buses ran into Seattle. Maybe you can be close enough to the light rail and work at Microsoft otherwise you're not going to walk 10 minutes to wait for a train for a few minutes for a 10 minute ride. You'll just drive. When this train crosses the lake my guess is it'll be used a lot more by cross-lake commuters in both directions. |
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Posted by X-Astorian on Fri May 9 09:32:21 2025, in response to Re: Seattle?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 8 21:07:57 2025. It’s like if when the QB line opened it only ran down the crosstown to Nassau Avenue and the 53rd Street Tunnel didn’t open for another year.Actually they all opened for service on August 19, 1933. |
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Re: Seattle |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri May 9 12:25:58 2025, in response to Seattle, posted by Joe on Wed May 7 16:44:44 2025. Seattle has nice transit, but no one wants to ride it.Lawlessness and fentenyl use. I posted articles...on buschat I think, where bosses were claiming fentenyl inhalation is harmless and good for you when the drivers complained. Last ride I had, after passing by the group smoking their crack pipes, had a guy complaining loudly into his cell phone about how some dude blew fentnyl into his face and how he's leaving and can't stand it anymore. I wonder if it was racial. At any rate, I never saw zombies my first trip to Seattle. My last trip it has to be quasi-militarized to keep any order at all. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri May 9 12:46:54 2025, in response to Re: Seattle?, posted by AlM on Thu May 8 15:12:54 2025. Correct. I think that the point of the article is that even with the line being incomplete and isolated, higher ridership was expected. Instead of growing, it's been dropping.Still Seattle Link has a high ridership per mile even with this less used line. It's only 2,400 ppm, but that's pretty high post-pandemic for American light rail. Maybe only Boston and SF are higher in that metric. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 9 14:03:49 2025, in response to Re: Seattle?, posted by X-Astorian on Fri May 9 09:32:21 2025. I know, that’s why I said “if.” |
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Posted by Displaced Angeleno on Fri May 9 20:40:32 2025, in response to Seattle, posted by Joe on Wed May 7 16:44:44 2025. Y'all are missing the key reason Eastside Light Rail (Line 2) ridership is low: it doesn't connect to Seattle yet, leaving the system disjointed until later this year.
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Posted by AlM on Sat May 10 08:23:45 2025, in response to Re: Seattle, posted by Displaced Angeleno on Fri May 9 20:40:32 2025. You've missed multiple pieces of this thread that discuss exactly that issue. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Sun May 11 18:45:18 2025, in response to Re: Seattle, posted by AlM on Sat May 10 08:23:45 2025. You bozo's keep missing the main reason people don't touch transit too, no matter if it goes in their backyards.lmao |
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