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R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction |
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Posted by gold_12th on Thu Jun 23 21:22:55 2022 https://publicsurplus.com/sms/nycdcas,ny/auction/view?auc=3055793minimum bid $6,500.00 ; auction ends on 7/2/2022. |
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Re: R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Thu Jun 23 21:48:34 2022, in response to R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction, posted by gold_12th on Thu Jun 23 21:22:55 2022. I'm very sorry to see the city selling this. Its a lovely piece of Queens history. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jun 23 22:46:18 2022, in response to R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction, posted by gold_12th on Thu Jun 23 21:22:55 2022. Looks like a bit of false advertising in the offering info. Car 9075 was clearly not an R-33WF but is an R-33 main line car - clearly identified by the window arrangement. |
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Re: R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Jun 24 00:42:38 2022, in response to Re: R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jun 23 22:46:18 2022. I was gonna say that! |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 24 00:50:42 2022, in response to Re: R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Jun 24 00:42:38 2022. Ya snooze, ya lose |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Fri Jun 24 08:21:48 2022, in response to R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction, posted by gold_12th on Thu Jun 23 21:22:55 2022. Plus 10 days to move it after the winning bid is accepted unless you are a famous TV/Movie star then the City will bend over backwards and let that part of the sale conditions slide for months. |
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Re: R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction |
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Posted by murray1575 on Fri Jun 24 08:49:07 2022, in response to Re: R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jun 23 22:46:18 2022. It could have run on the Flushing line for a short time either just before the WF cars were delivered or when they were being overhauled at Coney Island shops and some mainline cars were loaned to the 7 to maintain the service. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 24 09:08:30 2022, in response to Re: R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction, posted by murray1575 on Fri Jun 24 08:49:07 2022. Without a doubt, you could be correct and likely are. But the posted literature claims that this car transported people to the World's Fair which it absolutely did not do in 1964-65. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Jun 24 09:36:43 2022, in response to R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction, posted by gold_12th on Thu Jun 23 21:22:55 2022. 50-foot car? 🙄 (yeah, close, but still...)Not surprising, mistakes like that and the World's Fair reference. Most media types are clueless about such things. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jun 24 09:38:26 2022, in response to Re: R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Jun 24 09:36:43 2022. Judging by their link, they simply lumped all the R12 - R36's SMEE's all together. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Fri Jun 24 09:59:34 2022, in response to Re: R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 24 09:08:30 2022. But the posted literature claims that this car transported people to the World's Fair which it absolutely did not do in 1964-65.Maybe not #9075, but its "Main Line" sisters did at times operated on the #7, including briefly in April 2002.                 -William A. Padron ["Main St.-Flushing"] |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 24 10:11:31 2022, in response to Re: R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Jun 24 09:59:34 2022. Great pictures as always and I don't dispute yours or Murray's claim that this car or R-33MLs did operate on the #7 line. They just did not during the Y World's Fair of 1964-65. |
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Posted by W.B. on Fri Jun 24 10:41:43 2022, in response to Re: R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Jun 24 09:36:43 2022. Technically 51' 4" (51' ½" over anti-climbers), but . . . ) |
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Posted by Mr RT on Fri Jun 24 10:56:45 2022, in response to Re: R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Jun 24 09:59:34 2022. So did some of the R-17s before the World's Fair cars arrived. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Fri Jun 24 11:02:25 2022, in response to Re: R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Fri Jun 24 08:21:48 2022. Considering its mate is in the Atlantic, the modified side doors and with the required crane permits (city property), and the normal average of 15 to 20G for the low boy and its permits, and, without the current cost for fuel, this is more likely to take the lineup to SIMS over Branford and the city will pay to have it removed instead of asking twice the cost of its scrap value. Bid at your own risk |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jun 24 11:19:38 2022, in response to Re: R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction, posted by BLE-NIMX on Fri Jun 24 11:02:25 2022. Why did they acquire the car in the first place ? |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Fri Jun 24 11:36:00 2022, in response to Re: R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction, posted by Mr RT on Fri Jun 24 10:56:45 2022. So did some of the R-17s before the World's Fair cars arrived.Yeah, that they did too!      -William A. Padron ["Times Square"] |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jun 24 11:36:43 2022, in response to Re: R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Jun 24 09:36:43 2022. Since nobody has brought this up, so far, I will ask the question. Why is it being sold off? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jun 24 12:41:09 2022, in response to Re: R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Jun 24 11:36:00 2022. Nice catches. Especially the last one where an R17 is hooked up with a new R33/36WF car. One thing I've never seen is new equipment on a work train. Unusual, to say the least. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jun 24 20:10:22 2022, in response to Re: R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Jun 24 09:59:34 2022. Birds... |
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Posted by murray1575 on Sat Jun 25 00:20:10 2022, in response to Re: R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 24 10:11:31 2022. I would agree that they probably did not as I don't remember seeing any mainline cars on the 7 during the time the fair was open. Some did operate during the transition period in late 1963 before all the WF cars were delivered and at other times afterwards. These were great pictures and one even showed a pair of R36ML cars which were the least numerous of any SMEE car save for the R11s. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jun 26 19:39:11 2022, in response to Re: R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction, posted by BLE-NIMX on Fri Jun 24 11:02:25 2022. It wouldn’t be a good idea to send it to any museum property unless a mate could be found for it. If the car equipment crew at Shore Line could do it, an H2C drawhead could be salvaged from NYCT surplus and installed on the #2 end of the car so it can be coupled to the R-17. A hybrid unit like that is operable since when theR-26s first came on the property, I often saw a single one in a train of R-17s on Pelham. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jun 26 19:49:09 2022, in response to Re: R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 24 10:11:31 2022. They absolutely DID operate on the Flushing Line during the first year of the World’s Fair with an R-17 as the single since the original R-17 color was only slightly darker than the original R-29/33 red. When I was coming home from Queens College in the afternoon I would get off at 111 St and wait for the R-33 put in from the yard. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jun 26 19:53:49 2022, in response to Re: R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Jun 24 11:36:00 2022. That second shot of the R-17 may be from a much earlier time when a train or 2 of R-17s might have been sent to Queens for testing. For one thing it has peoper signs which the 17s during the fair time did not. Also the car does not have seal beam headlights installed and by the time of then fair, all the R-17s were sealed beam equipped, |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 26 20:19:27 2022, in response to Re: R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction, posted by randyo on Sun Jun 26 19:39:11 2022. It would make a nice gift shop at a trolley museum. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 26 20:20:49 2022, in response to Re: R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction, posted by randyo on Sun Jun 26 19:49:09 2022. They wanted all the R12 - R15 to vanish from Queens before the Worlds Fair, hence the invasion of the main line cars. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jun 26 20:32:52 2022, in response to Re: R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction, posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 26 20:20:49 2022. That move I never understood. Why couldn't they keep the R12-15s on the Flushing line until the Worlds Fair cars could be delivered w/o involving any mainine cars? |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 26 20:47:07 2022, in response to Re: R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jun 26 20:32:52 2022. They seemed "old" - clerestory roof, enameled poles, soft seats, exterior window hardware.If they painted R17's (or R21/22) in Worlds Fair colors, rebuilt with R36 seats, nobody would have known the difference, and need not have bothered with the R33 singles. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jun 26 22:26:02 2022, in response to Re: R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction, posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 26 20:47:07 2022. R12/14s had clerestory roofs and enameled poles? What was the exterior hardware? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 26 22:53:56 2022, in response to Re: R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction, posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 26 20:47:07 2022. Not true at all. The world fair cars were the first smee fleet not to use drop-sash windows. They had picture windows with vent windows above. I think pretty much anyone would have noticed. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jun 26 23:11:54 2022, in response to Re: R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction, posted by randyo on Sun Jun 26 19:39:11 2022. Would the same rules apply if you were to couple 8506 to 6387? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jun 26 23:12:50 2022, in response to Re: R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction, posted by randyo on Sun Jun 26 19:53:49 2022. That does look like a solid R-17 train, now that you mention it. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Jun 27 00:01:57 2022, in response to Re: R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 26 22:53:56 2022. Thanks. Train Dude |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jun 27 01:41:01 2022, in response to Re: R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jun 26 23:11:54 2022. Yes, and it would be simpler since 8506 has an H drawhead on the #2 end. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 27 07:19:15 2022, in response to Re: R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 26 22:53:56 2022. True, but if that is all, not a big deal. Drop sash windows would have been appreciated in the summer before air conditioning, and they could have twisted open the storm door's window. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 27 07:20:42 2022, in response to Re: R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jun 26 22:26:02 2022. Vertical guides for the drop sash windows,. R15's had a belt rail. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 27 07:22:21 2022, in response to Re: R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction, posted by randyo on Mon Jun 27 01:41:01 2022. Or save an addtional odd-numbered R32, and pair them off. |
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Posted by The Silence on Mon Jun 27 13:58:41 2022, in response to R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction, posted by gold_12th on Thu Jun 23 21:22:55 2022. "The 7 Line" Mets fan apparel company is interested in buying it. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 27 15:02:55 2022, in response to Re: R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction, posted by The Silence on Mon Jun 27 13:58:41 2022. They actually think it ran on the Flushing line from 1964 to 2003. |
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Posted by The Silence on Mon Jun 27 23:53:18 2022, in response to Re: R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction, posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 27 15:02:55 2022. ...I don't think they care... |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 28 16:08:19 2022, in response to Re: R-33 redbird car #9075 up for auction, posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 27 07:22:21 2022. But you would have to keep it on the BMT/IND and make sure passengers minded the gap. |
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