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Posted by rashidas on Wed Oct 20 22:59:31 2021 The Singapore Metro should make New Yorkers green with envy:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj5PTrW-Xd0 |
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Posted by Allan on Thu Oct 21 13:35:19 2021, in response to Singapore MTR - Weep New Yorkers!, posted by rashidas on Wed Oct 20 22:59:31 2021. Why? |
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Posted by rashidas on Thu Oct 21 16:10:09 2021, in response to Re: Singapore MTR - Weep New Yorkers!, posted by Allan on Thu Oct 21 13:35:19 2021. Because of the speed with which the lines were built and the new, air conditioned stations. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Oct 21 17:29:04 2021, in response to Singapore MTR - Weep New Yorkers!, posted by rashidas on Wed Oct 20 22:59:31 2021. thailand gettin' down wit it also. (and pardon my argot): |
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Posted by Allan on Thu Oct 21 18:49:45 2021, in response to Re: Singapore MTR - Weep New Yorkers!, posted by rashidas on Thu Oct 21 16:10:09 2021. Why is it there are those who want to compare a 34 YO system like Singapore with a 117 YO system like NYC?Yes. Singapore is more modern with air-conditioned stations when the bulk of the NYC Subway stations 1900 (first line which opened in 1904) and to 1940 when the 6th Avenue line opened) were built air conditioning was not something the builders considered as feasible. When the Singapore system first opened in 1987 there were 5 stations. When the first line in NYC opened in 1904 there were 28 stations. In addition there were 4 elevated lines (which opened in the late 1870's) still in operation in Manhattan as well as a number of elevated lines in Brooklyn from the same period). In the 34 years since Singapore opened there are 6 lines with 127 stations. Between 1904 and 1938 in NYC there were more than double that number of lines (built and operated by 3 different companies) and well over 300 stations. IN 1940, 2 of the companies (IRT and BMT) were in bankruptcy and purchased by the City of NY (which operated the IND system) and one system was created. The NYC system (subway and elevated portions now total 472 stations) with 26 routes. In present day Singapore 3.4 million passengers daily(I am taking the number from wikipedia) in a fleet of 2,600 cars with an average train length of 3 to 6 cars, in NYC (pre-pandemic) 5.7 million passengers in a fleet of over 6,000 cars with an average train length of 8 to 10 cars. Singapore system miles approx. 134 NYC System miles over 600 In NYC the newest stations (2nd Avenue line) are air-cooled. I'll stop making any comparisons at this point if anyone else wants to continue OK by me). So again, I'll give you that Singapore is more modern but based on the periods when the systems were built - you cannot properly compare them. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Oct 21 19:31:34 2021, in response to Re: Singapore MTR - Weep New Yorkers!, posted by Allan on Thu Oct 21 18:49:45 2021. hell. we have the manhattan bridge trackage. surely unequaled in all the world. |
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Posted by Allan on Thu Oct 21 19:57:53 2021, in response to Re: Singapore MTR - Weep New Yorkers!, posted by ntrainride on Thu Oct 21 19:31:34 2021. I have to say: HUH?I am not sure what you are getting at (I hope you are not trying to be funny because it isn't). Subway trains over bridges is not quite a unique to NYC and besides we have two such services (the Williamsburg Bridge as well). PATCO has service of the Ben Franklin Bridge between Philadelphia and NJ. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Oct 21 20:10:32 2021, in response to Re: Singapore MTR - Weep New Yorkers!, posted by Allan on Thu Oct 21 19:57:53 2021. p'shaw. name anyplace else, anywhere that has four working passenger railroad tracks on a bridge. |
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Posted by Aaron on Thu Oct 21 20:30:31 2021, in response to Singapore MTR - Weep New Yorkers!, posted by rashidas on Wed Oct 20 22:59:31 2021. I was there in 2013, great system, especially the automated Circle Line... |
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Posted by VictorM on Thu Oct 21 20:41:53 2021, in response to Re: Singapore MTR - Weep New Yorkers!, posted by ntrainride on Thu Oct 21 20:10:32 2021. And not only that, but those 4 tracks are on a suspension bridge with spectacular views of downtown or midtown Manhattan and the Brooklyn Bridge. Also, the complex of tracks north and south of Dekalb Av allows trains on either of the two Brooklyn bound tracks to access both 4th Av and Brighton without interfering with each other. Similarly, Manhattan bound passengers from 4th Av or Brighton have a choice of either Broadway or 6th Av. Also, passengers to and from lower Manhattan can do a simple across-the-platform transfer at Dekalb or Atlantic. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Oct 21 21:20:05 2021, in response to Re: Singapore MTR - Weep New Yorkers!, posted by VictorM on Thu Oct 21 20:41:53 2021. yessir, all that indeed. i like any bridge with train service. it's just that...nothing beats "bridge no. 3".hell again, just thought of something else: ...coney island. sooooo, where else on the planet is there a suspension bridge with four working railroad tracks with trains going to the atlantic ocean? or any damn ocean? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 21 21:41:36 2021, in response to Singapore MTR - Weep New Yorkers!, posted by rashidas on Wed Oct 20 22:59:31 2021. Trolling again? |
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Posted by rashidas on Fri Oct 22 12:01:03 2021, in response to Re: Singapore MTR - Weep New Yorkers!, posted by Allan on Thu Oct 21 18:49:45 2021. Legitimate observations. New York's subway system was constructed over 116 years and serves twice the area and population compared to Singapore. I was just commenting on the speed the Singapore MRT was built compared to New York City, especially in recent years. |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Fri Oct 22 14:56:25 2021, in response to Re: Singapore MTR - Weep New Yorkers!, posted by ntrainride on Thu Oct 21 20:10:32 2021. The Sydney Harbour Bridge originally had four trackways, two commuter rail and two trams, but the tram lines were replaced by roadways in 1958. |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Fri Oct 22 15:12:20 2021, in response to Re: Singapore MTR - Weep New Yorkers!, posted by ntrainride on Thu Oct 21 20:10:32 2021. The Steel Bridge in Portland, OR has two light rail tracks on the upper level. It has Amtrak/UP tracks on the lower level, though I can’t tell if there are one or two tracks there. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 22 15:50:03 2021, in response to Re: Singapore MTR - Weep New Yorkers!, posted by Italianstallion on Fri Oct 22 14:56:25 2021. London has a few. The Grosvenor Bridge has nine tracks active and one trackway defunct. The Cannon Street Railway Bridge has 7 tracks at its widest. There are also the Hungerford and Blackfriars Railway Bridges (4 each), and Cannon Street Railway (six, widening to seven mid-bridge with platforms over the water). |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Oct 23 08:09:35 2021, in response to Re: Singapore MTR - Weep New Yorkers!, posted by rashidas on Fri Oct 22 12:01:03 2021. It can be argued, however, that the NYC subway was built for the most part within 50 years, 1904-1954. After 1954, the only projects involving substantial new trackage were:--Grant Ave (honorable mention for the Rockaways if you want) --Chrystie Street --Archer Ave --63rd St --Hudson Yards --2nd Ave NYC is to be admired for its number of underwater tubes, given that the southern portion of the East River is much wider than most other famous big-city rivers worldwide. That to me is among the most impressive aspects of the system, relative to others around the world. NYC also stands out for its express trackage. Since it got done early on, there's no real sense of urgency nowadays to make it bigger. One issue worth pointing out is that NYC sits on a state boundary. Expanding westward from Manhattan involves having increased cooperation that probably would not be so necessary if the western shore of the Hudson was also part of the city. I do think they went the wrong way when they expanded stations and made long trains. With today's technology it would be much better to have half-trains at double frequencies (and less station infrastructure to maintain) IMO, but that decision was made long ago and things like CBTC or ATO probably weren't envisioned. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Oct 23 13:37:21 2021, in response to Re: Singapore MTR - Weep New Yorkers!, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Oct 23 08:09:35 2021. speaking of the north river...we probably have the only interstate mass transit (not "commuter rail") subway line in these fifty states.it's "merely ancillary" that one of its lines has an adjacent citywide local/express subway line. .and that another of its lines terminates at a magnificent and extremely rare riverside multitrack railroad terminal...and, said terminal also offering direct multi route river ferry services. no biggie... |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Oct 23 13:48:53 2021, in response to Re: Singapore MTR - Weep New Yorkers!, posted by Italianstallion on Fri Oct 22 15:12:20 2021. okay, let me add, the manhattan bridge endpoints are both emersed within a dense pedestrian-scale city neighborhood. no catchment area, no empty or industrial landscapes.you can easily walk to a deli on either end. |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Sat Oct 23 14:01:28 2021, in response to Re: Singapore MTR - Weep New Yorkers!, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 22 15:50:03 2021. Very good. |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Sat Oct 23 14:02:34 2021, in response to Re: Singapore MTR - Weep New Yorkers!, posted by ntrainride on Sat Oct 23 13:48:53 2021. Spider-Pig has identified several bridges in England with numerous tracks. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Oct 23 15:04:36 2021, in response to Re: Singapore MTR - Weep New Yorkers!, posted by ntrainride on Sat Oct 23 13:37:21 2021. Technically some WMATA lines are interstate, serving both Maryland and Virginia, but there's a big asterisk there because the lines' main purpose is to serve DC; it's not likely that Maryland and Virginia would have built a system together if DC wasn't there.As for PATH, it's likely that system would be more expansive if it wasn't for Manhattan and Hoboken/Newark being in different states. Nonetheless, I agree with you - NYC and PATH are systems to be admired, even if expansion plans are little to nothing. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Oct 23 15:23:57 2021, in response to Re: Singapore MTR - Weep New Yorkers!, posted by Italianstallion on Sat Oct 23 14:02:34 2021. All of those are way shorter than the Manhattan Bridge. Don't get me wrong - they count, but they're much less impressive. |
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Posted by ro_jo on Sat Oct 23 15:50:13 2021, in response to Re: Singapore MTR - Weep New Yorkers!, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Oct 23 15:04:36 2021. Quick shout-out to PATCO between Philly and NJ with direct underground transfers to the BSL and MFL. It's less of a cohesive "subway system" than PATH is, but still interstate. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Oct 23 21:31:57 2021, in response to Re: Singapore MTR - Weep New Yorkers!, posted by ro_jo on Sat Oct 23 15:50:13 2021. only rode it once. from ninth/tenth street station to broadway, camden. where i caught the riverline to trenton. i really do like subway lines in american cities. and philadelphia certainly is chock full of "old school" transit infrastructure. sort of like an enlarged newark. and i mean that in a complementary way too.but i agree. patco certainly is an interstate rail transit line going over a suspension bridge. the patco line is a standout. a hybrid line, every city in the country would kill to have it. and, the ben frank is a real bridge, no bout adout it. (as compared to "fake" bridges like the throgs neck.). definitely has the props to hang out with the likes of the willie b and the eads. if bridges did that sort of thing. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Oct 23 21:57:43 2021, in response to Singapore MTR - Weep New Yorkers!, posted by rashidas on Wed Oct 20 22:59:31 2021. Nobody is weeping |
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