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Posted by GojiMet86 on Wed Dec 2 17:26:45 2020 https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/02/nyregion/subway-ridership-mta.htmlCrowded Subways? Yes, in Neighborhoods Where People Have to Go to Work |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Dec 2 17:43:02 2020, in response to NYT: Crowded Subways? Yes, in Neighborhoods Where People Have to Go to Work, posted by GojiMet86 on Wed Dec 2 17:26:45 2020. Workers gotta work. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Dec 2 18:51:53 2020, in response to NYT: Crowded Subways? Yes, in Neighborhoods Where People Have to Go to Work, posted by GojiMet86 on Wed Dec 2 17:26:45 2020. Unfortunately, the recovery of outer-borough subway ridership doesn't help commuter rail, which of course is designed mainly to bring office workers into Manhattan. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Dec 3 09:59:13 2020, in response to Re: NYT: Crowded Subways? Yes, in Neighborhoods Where People Have to Go to Work, posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Dec 2 18:51:53 2020. A lot of this will have to do with the nature and purpose of cities looking ahead. I think there will always be "centers of activity" but will those centers involve lots of people, or just a few people overseeing lots of machines?If people congregate in cities in any way at all, I would suspect that there would be some kind of "draw" for people on the outskirts to want to come in and be a part of it, and that would be regional rail's place. But it's uncertain at best. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Dec 3 10:19:51 2020, in response to NYT: Crowded Subways? Yes, in Neighborhoods Where People Have to Go to Work, posted by GojiMet86 on Wed Dec 2 17:26:45 2020. I got it from the Washington Post, but it's credited with Bloomberg online. Go figure.Working from home must be an "only in New York" thing. ----------- Millions of workers in recent months have returned to offices outfitted with new pandemic protocols meant to keep them healthy and safe. But temperature checks and plexiglass barriers between desks can't prevent one of the most dangerous workplace behaviors for the spread of Covid-19 — the irresistible desire to mingle. “If you have people coming into the office, it’s very rare for them consistently to be six feet apart,” said Kanav Dhir, the head of product at VergeSense, a company that has 30,000 object-recognition sensors deployed in office buildings around the world tracking worker whereabouts. Since the worldwide coronavirus outbreak, the company has found that 60% of interactions among North American workers violate the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s six-foot distancing guidelines, as do an even higher share in Asia, where offices usually are smaller. Most people who can work at home still are and likely will be until at least mid-2021. But as some white-collar workers begin a cautious return — executive recruiter Korn Ferry found about 20% of employees expected to be back in offices after the U.S. Labor Day holiday — it’s becoming clear how hard it is to make the workplace safe. A bevy of sophisticated sensors and data are being used to develop detailed plans; even IBM’s vaunted Watson artificial intelligence is weighing in. In many cases the data can only verify what should be evident: The modern office, designed to pack in as many workers as possible, was never meant to enforce social distancing. Bloomberg Which I recall over the summer announced they weren't going to be a real news agency anymore. Go figure. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Dec 3 10:39:20 2020, in response to Re:Millions of workers in recent months have returned to offices, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Dec 3 10:19:51 2020. One thing I'd like to know is what percentage of workers have to return to the office in order to avoid major cuts to transit service. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 3 10:47:58 2020, in response to NYT: Crowded Subways? Yes, in Neighborhoods Where People Have to Go to Work, posted by GojiMet86 on Wed Dec 2 17:26:45 2020. This article is indicative of why the media is held in such low regard. She's white, she wrote this from home and it'll be read by white people....at home. Everyone involved will pat themselves on the back for being so progressive.....while nothing gets done. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 3 10:50:04 2020, in response to Re: NYT: Crowded Subways? Yes, in Neighborhoods Where People Have to Go to Work, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 3 10:47:58 2020. Oh, and working class white folks who have to work? Well, they don't count. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 3 10:53:59 2020, in response to Re: NYT: Crowded Subways? Yes, in Neighborhoods Where People Have to Go to Work, posted by italianstallion on Wed Dec 2 17:43:02 2020. Yeah, of all races. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Dec 3 10:54:47 2020, in response to Re:Millions of workers in recent months have returned to offices, posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Dec 3 10:39:20 2020. In Philadelphia they get the doomsday cut scenario everytime they want a fare hike or tax increase. For some agencies, probably a 300% increase over pre-covid or they won't be happen.Seems to be a difficult metric in pracitice. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 3 11:21:58 2020, in response to Re: NYT: Crowded Subways? Yes, in Neighborhoods Where People Have to Go to Work, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 3 10:47:58 2020. I have no idea WTF you're talking about. Why is it bad to report on the fact that low income workers are getting back to work in person but high income workers are not? |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Dec 3 11:22:45 2020, in response to Re: NYT: Crowded Subways? Yes, in Neighborhoods Where People Have to Go to Work, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 3 11:21:58 2020. "getting back"? hahahahahahaahahaha |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Dec 3 11:26:22 2020, in response to NYT: Crowded Subways? Yes, in Neighborhoods Where People Have to Go to Work, posted by GojiMet86 on Wed Dec 2 17:26:45 2020. I just saw your solution.=== Deutsche Bank: Workers Should Pay 5% 'Privilege' Tax To Work From Home After Covid You can read the rest. My comment to this is the same as the chants from BLM spokespeople. "burn it to the ground". Another 5% to keep everything rolling that no one wants to pack into like sardines and be late? I love trains in the off peak and to do cool stuff. Not rush hour. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 3 12:27:55 2020, in response to Re:Millions of workers in recent months have returned to offices, posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Dec 3 10:39:20 2020. If 100% comes back next week, that does not compensate for the last 10 months, which can never be made up for. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Dec 3 12:46:40 2020, in response to Re: NYT: Crowded Subways? Yes, in Neighborhoods Where People Have to Go to Work, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Dec 3 11:26:22 2020. As a basis for the argument, the bank says working from home is financially rewarding thanks to "direct financial savings" on expenses such as commuting, clothes and lunches, as well as indirect savings from things like reduced work-related socializing and laundry.Work-related socializing may cost workers money but it also provides significant psychological benefits. Humans are social creatures and need to interact with other people. This lack of daily interaction is a HUGE drawback of working from home. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Dec 3 12:47:53 2020, in response to Re: NYT: Crowded Subways? Yes, in Neighborhoods Where People Have to Go to Work, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 3 10:47:58 2020. This article is indicative of why the media is held in such low regard. She's white, she wrote this from home and it'll be read by white people....at home. Everyone involved will pat themselves on the back for being so progressive.....while nothing gets done.And she's earning well into the six figures. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 3 14:19:35 2020, in response to Re: NYT: Crowded Subways? Yes, in Neighborhoods Where People Have to Go to Work, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 3 10:50:04 2020. This is why Democrats keep losing important elections. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Dec 3 14:39:51 2020, in response to Re: NYT: Crowded Subways? Yes, in Neighborhoods Where People Have to Go to Work, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 3 10:53:59 2020. Who said otherwise? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Dec 3 14:41:31 2020, in response to Re: NYT: Crowded Subways? Yes, in Neighborhoods Where People Have to Go to Work, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 3 10:47:58 2020. She may have written this from home, but she was out there on the street interviewing. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Dec 3 14:42:35 2020, in response to Re: NYT: Crowded Subways? Yes, in Neighborhoods Where People Have to Go to Work, posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Dec 3 12:47:53 2020. You think young reporters make well into six figures? LOL. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Dec 3 14:43:48 2020, in response to Re: NYT: Crowded Subways? Yes, in Neighborhoods Where People Have to Go to Work, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 3 10:47:58 2020. Why do you make everything about race? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 3 14:48:06 2020, in response to Re: NYT: Crowded Subways? Yes, in Neighborhoods Where People Have to Go to Work, posted by italianstallion on Thu Dec 3 14:43:48 2020. To be fair, the article did mention race. But the fact the author is white is irrelevant. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 3 15:23:08 2020, in response to Re: NYT: Crowded Subways? Yes, in Neighborhoods Where People Have to Go to Work, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 3 14:48:06 2020. No it's not. It's directly related to why this article is crap. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 3 15:24:48 2020, in response to Re: NYT: Crowded Subways? Yes, in Neighborhoods Where People Have to Go to Work, posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Dec 3 12:46:40 2020. Yep. During the lockdown I couldn't wait to get back to work. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 3 15:27:01 2020, in response to Re: NYT: Crowded Subways? Yes, in Neighborhoods Where People Have to Go to Work, posted by italianstallion on Thu Dec 3 14:39:51 2020. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 3 15:27:02 2020, in response to Re: NYT: Crowded Subways? Yes, in Neighborhoods Where People Have to Go to Work, posted by italianstallion on Thu Dec 3 14:39:51 2020. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Dec 3 15:29:24 2020, in response to Re: NYT: Crowded Subways? Yes, in Neighborhoods Where People Have to Go to Work, posted by italianstallion on Thu Dec 3 14:42:35 2020. You think young reporters make well into six figures? LOL.At the NYT I'm sure they do. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Dec 3 15:35:56 2020, in response to Re: NYT: Crowded Subways? Yes, in Neighborhoods Where People Have to Go to Work, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 3 14:19:35 2020. Unfortunately it doesn’t look like they lost the most important one! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 3 15:38:33 2020, in response to Re: NYT: Crowded Subways? Yes, in Neighborhoods Where People Have to Go to Work, posted by randyo on Thu Dec 3 15:35:56 2020. They barely won against an utter moron. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Dec 3 17:43:16 2020, in response to Re: NYT: Crowded Subways? Yes, in Neighborhoods Where People Have to Go to Work, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 3 10:47:58 2020. That makes no sense. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 3 17:44:39 2020, in response to Re: NYT: Crowded Subways? Yes, in Neighborhoods Where People Have to Go to Work, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 3 15:38:33 2020. An utter moron with a spectacularly loyal following.And I wouldn't call Biden's win "barely." This would have been called at 10 PM if the mail-in ballots had been pre-counted. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Dec 3 18:04:33 2020, in response to Re: NYT: Crowded Subways? Yes, in Neighborhoods Where People Have to Go to Work, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 3 17:44:39 2020. And I wouldn't call Biden's win "barely."Same electoral vote count as Trump in 2016, and a 6.8% higher popular vote margin. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 3 19:21:43 2020, in response to Re: NYT: Crowded Subways? Yes, in Neighborhoods Where People Have to Go to Work, posted by AlM on Thu Dec 3 18:04:33 2020. Trump called his 306 a landslide, yet lost the popular vote. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Dec 3 19:22:21 2020, in response to Re: NYT: Crowded Subways? Yes, in Neighborhoods Where People Have to Go to Work, posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Dec 3 15:29:24 2020. Not recent graduates.With 15-20 years experience, yeah. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 3 20:07:47 2020, in response to NYT: Crowded Subways? Yes, in Neighborhoods Where People Have to Go to Work, posted by GojiMet86 on Wed Dec 2 17:26:45 2020. It lost me with the "people of color" comment. No need to needlessly interject race into everything |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Dec 3 20:08:02 2020, in response to Re:Millions of workers in recent months have returned to offices, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Dec 3 10:19:51 2020. One of the biggest issues is elevators in these big buildings with them being crowded, the stale air in the elevator shafts, the number of people in them per hour and all the people touching the buttons. A real petite dish. You can't realistically speaking take an elevator out of service every 10 minutes for cleaning. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Dec 3 20:15:47 2020, in response to Re:Millions of workers in recent months have returned to offices, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Dec 3 20:08:02 2020. Petrie dish.Damn spell check! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 3 23:30:19 2020, in response to Re: NYT: Crowded Subways? Yes, in Neighborhoods Where People Have to Go to Work, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 3 20:07:47 2020. The racist left alawys needs to do that. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Dec 4 07:02:41 2020, in response to Re:Millions of workers in recent months have returned to offices, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Dec 3 20:08:02 2020. Merrill Lynch normally has 450 people in the Metlife(Pan Am) building. There have been 20 there since March to basically handle the teller window, scan or fax the snail-mail, and service the IT hardware. There are currently NO plans to have them return. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Dec 4 07:59:38 2020, in response to Re: NYT: Crowded Subways? Yes, in Neighborhoods Where People Have to Go to Work, posted by italianstallion on Thu Dec 3 14:42:35 2020. I have a friend who was an on-camera reporter for a TV station in Columbus, Georgia, the job he went to J-school for. Before getting hired there, he was a flight attendant for a legacy airline.He went back to being a flight attendant after a year, because the TV news gig paid less than the airline did. Those men and women on your TV screen are NOT rich, not even close, unless they're anchors. |
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Fri Dec 4 09:37:59 2020, in response to Re: NYT: Crowded Subways? Yes, in Neighborhoods Where People Have to Go to Work, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 3 14:48:06 2020. And they chose to use that mention to summarize the article on Twitter.Provoking some not-unexpected responses:
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Dec 4 09:38:46 2020, in response to Re:Millions of workers in recent months have returned to offices, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Dec 3 20:08:02 2020. I saw an advertisement in the Wall Street Journal about a special elevator in New Jersey that solves that.Actually, I think I saw some video in Europe. China solved this problem back in March though. The local hospitals obviously haven't figured it out and don't bother where I am however (outside of the NE). |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Dec 4 09:43:29 2020, in response to Re:Millions of workers in recent months have returned to offices, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Dec 3 20:08:02 2020. We need people to get out of the static dying mindset that nothing can change because it was arbitrarily a certain way in 1980.We have touchless elevators, every company came out with them. This one uses QR Codes, which I know Spider-Pig has a tough time with: There are tons of these in operation now. There are others as well of varying technologies. There are solutions to everything other than laying down and playing dead. There was a time where elevators werne't invented yet. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Dec 4 09:44:26 2020, in response to Re:Millions of workers in recent months have returned to offices, posted by Joe V on Fri Dec 4 07:02:41 2020. When I get the chance, I'll drive and go downtown or check out the office parks. I've only seen one empty building, it's European, and they're being sold now to a Pittsburgh company. So we'll see if they continue to work from home after that is over.But covid may go away long before then. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Dec 4 09:48:14 2020, in response to Re:Millions of workers in recent months have returned to offices, posted by Joe V on Fri Dec 4 07:02:41 2020. Merrill Lynch normally has 450 people in the Metlife(Pan Am) building. There have been 20 there since March to basically handle the teller window, scan or fax the snail-mail, and service the IT hardware. There are currently NO plans to have them return.Shameful behavoir from a company that's always been a major employer in the city. Keeping their people out of the office not only hurts transit, but also deprives smaller businesses of the money the employees might have spent. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Dec 4 10:02:24 2020, in response to Re:Millions of workers in recent months have returned to offices, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Dec 4 09:44:26 2020. When I get the chance, I'll drive and go downtown or check out the office parks. I've only seen one empty building, it's European, and they're being sold now to a Pittsburgh company. So we'll see if they continue to work from home after that is over.As best I can tell from the parking lots most of the suburban office buildings on Long Island have at least some of their workers back in the office. I suppose in part it's because the workers drive and do not have to worry about crowded transit, but more likely it's because the buildings tend to have multiple smaller tenants who have more trouble that huge Manhattan companies in setting up WFH arrangements. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Dec 4 10:19:50 2020, in response to Re:Millions of workers in recent months have returned to offices, posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Dec 4 09:48:14 2020. Customer service and health of their employees and comes first. They do exist to keep the MTA and local businesses afloat. If there were 50% occupancy, their rush hour would have to be stretched to 5 hours in either direction PLUS WFH 50% of the days. Normal business hours could not be kept.As it is, 2 of my financial advisors likely had Covid in February, due to their loss of senses of smell, taste, and fever. One commuted from Brooklyn, the other on the MN Upper Hudson Line. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Dec 4 10:21:43 2020, in response to Re:Millions of workers in recent months have returned to offices, posted by Joe V on Fri Dec 4 10:19:50 2020. They do NOT exist to keep the MTA and local businesses afloat. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 4 10:30:34 2020, in response to Re: NYT: Crowded Subways? Yes, in Neighborhoods Where People Have to Go to Work, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Fri Dec 4 09:37:59 2020. Crying "privilege" is another reason Democrats keep losing elections. There is no such thing as white privilege and even to the extent that there are things that could be described as such, it clearly alienates people who have derived no noticeable benefit from any such privilege. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Dec 4 10:38:46 2020, in response to Re:Millions of workers in recent months have returned to offices, posted by Joe V on Fri Dec 4 10:19:50 2020. As it is, 2 of my financial advisors likely had Covid in February, due to their loss of senses of smell, taste, and fever. One commuted from Brooklyn, the other on the MN Upper Hudson Line.Given that they "likely" had the virus means that neither one was particularly ill and both recovered quickly and completely. |
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