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Port Jervis rail service |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Sep 17 04:05:11 2020 May be cut |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Sep 17 15:49:25 2020, in response to Port Jervis rail service, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Sep 17 04:05:11 2020. This and Pascack Valley service which terminates at Spring Valley are both on the chopping block. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 17 16:15:18 2020, in response to Port Jervis rail service, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Sep 17 04:05:11 2020. Assholes, trying to put it on DC. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 17 16:16:10 2020, in response to Re: Port Jervis rail service, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Sep 17 15:49:25 2020. Was a bad day when the line to New City was cut. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Sep 17 16:40:35 2020, in response to Re: Port Jervis rail service, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Sep 17 15:49:25 2020. Oh, my! Bad news! |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 17 17:15:04 2020, in response to Re: Port Jervis rail service, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Sep 17 16:40:35 2020. For want of $25 million on their operating budget, but much more in avoided capital expenses. Will they hit up NS and NYS&W for more money for trackage fees to pay for maintenance if they are the only shows on the road ? |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Thu Sep 17 18:45:32 2020, in response to Port Jervis rail service, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Sep 17 04:05:11 2020. If that happens or a takeover is successful then Rockland and Orange counties should forfeit all future collections of the MTA surcharge levied on sales and utility taxes collected in these 2 counties. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 17 19:19:53 2020, in response to Re: Port Jervis rail service, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Thu Sep 17 18:45:32 2020. They could, at that.I'd say that the MTA has blown more than enough on ESA to build a tunnel under the Tappan Zee from Irvington to Piermont and also the former Piermont Branch to Suffern, electrified (with Metropolitan MUs), allowing for GCT to Port Jervis using dual-mode P32AC-DMs and Shoreliners. Neither Rockland nor Orange Counties have gotten their money's worth unless that happens. (Right?) |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Thu Sep 17 19:37:15 2020, in response to Re: Port Jervis rail service, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 17 19:19:53 2020. What benefit are we going to get from ESA? What's it been, the cost of an entire new subway or CR line for that pork project? |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Sep 17 20:23:34 2020, in response to Re: Port Jervis rail service, posted by Steamdriven on Thu Sep 17 19:37:15 2020. ESA is not a pork project. It will useful when it opens! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 17 20:30:34 2020, in response to Re: Port Jervis rail service, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Sep 17 20:23:34 2020. That's not an answer. Thanks for admitting you hate trains. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 17 20:34:58 2020, in response to Re: Port Jervis rail service, posted by Steamdriven on Thu Sep 17 19:37:15 2020. Tje only benefit is to those who were involved in the conception and construction, not the public. It already costs over three times its original price and is eleven years pady the date it was supposed to open. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Sep 17 20:43:23 2020, in response to Re: Port Jervis rail service, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 17 19:19:53 2020. GCT has not enough capacity to add future west of Hudson services |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Thu Sep 17 21:40:11 2020, in response to Re: Port Jervis rail service, posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Sep 17 20:43:23 2020. OK, so it works as an expansion of GCT, sorta. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 17 22:06:19 2020, in response to Re: Port Jervis rail service, posted by Steamdriven on Thu Sep 17 21:40:11 2020. No. More like a reshuffle of Penn. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 17 22:08:18 2020, in response to Re: Port Jervis rail service, posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Sep 17 20:43:23 2020. Sure they don't. All of those long-distance trains of the past they handled and no room? Sounds like mismanagement to me. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Sep 17 23:58:11 2020, in response to Re: Port Jervis rail service, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 17 20:30:34 2020. STFU! |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Sep 17 23:58:52 2020, in response to Re: Port Jervis rail service, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 17 20:34:58 2020. STFU! |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Sep 17 23:59:40 2020, in response to Re: Port Jervis rail service, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 17 16:15:18 2020. Yeah, you! |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Fri Sep 18 00:05:47 2020, in response to Re: Port Jervis rail service, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 17 19:19:53 2020. Faulty logic! |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Fri Sep 18 01:03:53 2020, in response to Port Jervis rail service, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Sep 17 04:05:11 2020. More rails lost to trails. |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Fri Sep 18 01:05:07 2020, in response to Re: Port Jervis rail service, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Sep 17 23:59:40 2020. It's the Olog way. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 18 02:17:22 2020, in response to Re: Port Jervis rail service, posted by jimmymc25 on Fri Sep 18 01:05:07 2020. Hey; I wouldn't mind some reasonable rebuttals instead of argumentum ad lapidem one-liners—which appear to be the "Subwayman Way". At least you can engage in a reasonable manner when you feel like it. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 18 02:18:43 2020, in response to Re: Port Jervis rail service, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Sep 17 23:59:40 2020. Singing AC/DC's Hell Ain't A Bad Place To Be at me?Clowns at the MTA don't get to demand federal dollars after mismanaging everything they've gotten over the decades. Please find it in your heart to like trains. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 18 02:25:08 2020, in response to Re: Port Jervis rail service, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Fri Sep 18 00:05:47 2020. But you couldn't tell me what the fallacy is. Everything I said is correct.Why do you hate trains so much? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Sep 18 03:04:21 2020, in response to Port Jervis rail service, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Sep 17 04:05:11 2020. I can't see Pascack Valley Line service north of the state line going anywhere, the ridership potential there once the Secaucus Loop gets built 450 years from now is too prominent to ignore. 😂 Not to mention that trains would have to deadhead from Montvale to Woodbine anyways, might as well collect some revenue while you're headed up there.I can definitely see them abandoning the Otisville and Port Jervis stations, but the rest of the Port Jervis Line? I'm iffy about that. I think that stations at Woodbury Common and Stewart Airport could possibly breathe some new life onto that line, but not enough to keep it off of the chopping block during times like this. I also think that more off-peak express service would also help, but then again not enough to definitely "save" service along the line. If I'm going to Times Square from Cornwall, why would I choose to sit on a local train that runs every 3 hours all the way to Secaucus, transfer to a New York train, and walk a half-mile, when I can just drive to Beacon, take an hourly express train straight into Grand Central, and walk about the same distance? I could also possibly even just walk to a Coach USA bus stop and take that straight into Port Authority. Outside of Middletown and to a lesser extent Harriman, off-peak ridership on that line is pretty damn low, and it's not hard to see why. In my Foamy Fantasy Realm, I would discontinue service along most of the Port Jervis Line, and redirect my focus towards restoring passenger service on the West Shore Line. Every station except Middletown and Campbell Hall would be abandoned. I would figure out a way to connect Campbell Hall station with Stewart Airport, as well as the West Shore Line along the Newburgh waterfront, then continue passenger service south on the West Shore Line all the way down to Hoboken or what not. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 18 03:15:08 2020, in response to Re: Port Jervis rail service, posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Sep 18 03:04:21 2020. West Shore is a non-starter. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Sep 18 03:18:21 2020, in response to Re: Port Jervis rail service, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 18 03:15:08 2020. Why? Newburgh, Nyack, Haverstraw, Ridgefield Park, and I'm pretty sure other places along the line are all for it. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Sep 18 06:50:05 2020, in response to Re: Port Jervis rail service, posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Sep 18 03:18:21 2020. Heavy CSX traffic and capacity issues, single track through a tunnel cleared for double stacks, same reason NS will never allow any service west of Phillipsburg. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Sep 18 06:52:44 2020, in response to Re: Port Jervis rail service, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 17 22:08:18 2020. Much more commuter service now. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Fri Sep 18 10:25:44 2020, in response to Re: Port Jervis rail service, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 18 02:25:08 2020. Why do you care so much about private enterprise? |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Fri Sep 18 10:28:06 2020, in response to Re: Port Jervis rail service, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 18 02:18:43 2020. Why do you think private enterprise would be better to run trains? Do you any experience? |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Fri Sep 18 10:30:03 2020, in response to Re: Port Jervis rail service, posted by jimmymc25 on Fri Sep 18 01:05:07 2020. Exactly. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Fri Sep 18 10:32:19 2020, in response to Re: Port Jervis rail service, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 18 02:17:22 2020. Don't play the victim card. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 18 11:38:44 2020, in response to Re: Port Jervis rail service, posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Sep 18 03:18:21 2020. Because that's the primary freight route. It's one of the few rail routes in the tri-state area that has not been swallowed up by state or federal governments.And never underestimate NIMBYism. Also, no chance of any "one-seat ride to Manhattan", the (of late) big commuter rail mantra. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 18 11:41:19 2020, in response to Re: Port Jervis rail service, posted by Joe V on Fri Sep 18 06:50:05 2020. same reason NS will never allow any service west of PhillipsburgYou mean they'll allow NJT on the Lehigh Line between Alpha and Bloomsbury, to bridge the gap on the former CNJ created by I-78 severing the ROW? I never heard that. And NS would not necessarily be a factor "west of Phillipsburg" if the former CNJ ROW were used and the LVRR bridge were to be rebuilt. Besides, NS is not the only factor by far. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Sep 18 12:16:45 2020, in response to Re: Port Jervis rail service, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 18 11:41:19 2020. Yes, NJT has legal trackage rights on the shoe-fly track, which is just west of the LV Musconetcong Tunnel, onto the former LV as far as P-Burg, but that's all. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 18 12:24:14 2020, in response to Re: Port Jervis rail service, posted by Joe V on Fri Sep 18 12:16:45 2020. They don't have the platform track at Phillipsburg any more. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 18 12:52:32 2020, in response to Re: Port Jervis rail service, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Sep 17 16:40:35 2020. It's the MTA head making idle threats. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Fri Sep 18 13:31:39 2020, in response to Re: Port Jervis rail service, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Thu Sep 17 18:45:32 2020. That is the plan ... an alternative would be contracting w/ NJ Transit for service directly.--Mark |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 18 13:35:48 2020, in response to Re: Port Jervis rail service, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Fri Sep 18 13:31:39 2020. Who has the authority to do that? Can Rockland tell the MTA to pound sand as it were? |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Sep 19 00:53:11 2020, in response to Re: Port Jervis rail service, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Sep 17 15:49:25 2020. Pascack Valley seems like one that can be saved, considering how little is in NYS, and could be used to continue justifying the Rockland MTA tax. Also where the heck are they going to store trains for the NJ portion? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 19 02:21:22 2020, in response to Re: Port Jervis rail service, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Sep 19 00:53:11 2020. They currently store trains on the remainder of the old line to West Haverstraw, don't they?Besides, I've been trying to find out more about the original New City terminus of the New York & New Jersey; only remember seeing it on an old map of the Erie network. |
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