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Posted by SLRT on Sat Jul 4 08:22:48 2020, in response to Re: Line Names, posted by randyo on Fri Jul 3 19:46:45 2020. Between Hylan and LaGuardia the mayors were not so anti-private and anti-rail. |
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Posted by BusRider on Tue Jul 7 23:29:53 2020, in response to Line Names, posted by BusRider on Tue Jun 30 08:54:03 2020. Thank you all. Would this be correct?For BMT: 2 4th Ave = R/RR 6 5th Ave (Eliminated/Taken Down) 3 West End = T/TT now the D 4 Sea Beach = N 5 Culver = now apart of the F and SS for Culver Shuttle 7 Franklin Shuttle = S/SS 8 Astoria = now apart of the N 9 Flushing = moved to IRT as #7 10 Myrtle-Chambers = M 11 Myrtle (Eliminated/Taken Down) 12 Lexington Ave (Eliminated/Taken Down) 13 Fulton = now apart of the A/C 14 Bway/Bklyn / 15 Jamaica = Combined into the J/Z 16 Canarsie = L/LL |
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Posted by BusRider on Tue Jul 7 23:32:41 2020, in response to Re: Line Names, posted by BusRider on Tue Jul 7 23:29:53 2020. Sorry and 1. Brighton = Q. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jul 8 01:22:23 2020, in response to Re: Line Names, posted by BusRider on Tue Jul 7 23:29:53 2020. I wouldn’t describe the #9 as moved to the IRT as the #7 but rather just eliminated entirely. |
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Posted by X-Astorian on Wed Jul 8 08:47:07 2020, in response to Re: Line Names, posted by BusRider on Tue Jul 7 23:29:53 2020. 13 Fulton was mostly (Eliminated/Taken Down). Only the relatively short stretch between 80th Street and Lefferts Blvd is served by the A but not the C. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jul 8 18:42:19 2020, in response to Re: Line Names, posted by X-Astorian on Wed Jul 8 08:47:07 2020. For a few years the C (then called the CC) did serve part of that structure enroute to Rock Pk. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 8 19:11:47 2020, in response to Re: Line Names, posted by randyo on Wed Jul 8 18:42:19 2020. Inbound, where did CC passengers tend to get off to catch the A ? At Broad Channel, Rockaway Blvd, or Euclid ? |
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Posted by X-Astorian on Wed Jul 8 23:05:55 2020, in response to Re: Line Names, posted by randyo on Wed Jul 8 18:42:19 2020. True but BusRider seems to be referring to present service. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jul 9 01:38:18 2020, in response to Re: Line Names, posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 8 19:11:47 2020. Depended on the weather. In the summer most likely Rockaway Blvd in colder weather either Grant or Euclid. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Jul 9 07:42:55 2020, in response to Re: Line Names, posted by randyo on Thu Jul 9 01:38:18 2020. Alot of people got off at Broad Channel, despite an announcement or two as to being held for the A crossing ahead of us. 20 minute wait instead of getting the Lefferts inbound |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jul 9 16:05:51 2020, in response to Re: Line Names, posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Jul 9 07:42:55 2020. Depending on the time of day they had to get off at Broad Channel since in non rush hours, that was the terminal for the Rock Pk service. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jul 9 19:56:05 2020, in response to Re: Line Names, posted by X-Astorian on Wed Jul 8 08:47:07 2020. Between 80th and Rockaway Blvd,the C Did operate for a number of years.Until the line was "consolidated" into what we have today, it went to SEVERAL DIFFERENT TERMINAL depending on the time of day. Confusing.. Today's C line is basically the Local A,allowing the Main line to skip stations. Won't SAVE you anytime, but it sure looks like it does. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jul 9 19:56:07 2020, in response to Re: Line Names, posted by X-Astorian on Wed Jul 8 08:47:07 2020. Between 80th and Rockaway Blvd,the C Did operate for a number of years.Until the line was "consolidated" into what we have today, it went to SEVERAL DIFFERENT TERMINAL depending on the time of day. Confusing.. Today's C line is basically the Local A,allowing the Main line to skip stations. Won't SAVE you anytime, but it sure looks like it does. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jul 10 18:07:03 2020, in response to Re: Line Names, posted by Edwards! on Thu Jul 9 19:56:05 2020. If the single/double letter train ID system had been retained, todays C would be an extended version of the original AA. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Jul 10 23:35:03 2020, in response to Re: Line Names, posted by randyo on Fri Jul 10 18:07:03 2020. That makes me wonder, did MTA get rid of the double letters in anticipation of future (and GOH) equipment that would only be able to display a single letter or number (R-32 and R-38 post-GOH) and R-142 and later? I don't remember exactly when the switch to single only was made (it was after I left NY), but I think it was some years before GOH and well before the R-142/R-142As came on the scene. OTOH, the R-62/62As did have provisions for double digit route numbers on their rollsigns, hmmm |
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Posted by VictorM on Sat Jul 11 01:06:18 2020, in response to Re: Line Names, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Jul 10 23:35:03 2020. The switch to single letters took place in 1987, but I see double letters are making a modest comeback: (SF, SR). |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jul 11 02:14:25 2020, in response to Re: Line Names, posted by VictorM on Sat Jul 11 01:06:18 2020. The SF and SR designations are only internal in the schedule office they are not for the public. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Jul 11 09:58:23 2020, in response to Re: Line Names, posted by VictorM on Sat Jul 11 01:06:18 2020. Thanks. So in 1987, the R-32 and R-38 GOH programs were either just around the corner, or even already underway And the NTTs just took advantage of the fact that all routes were single characters (not sure what they would have done for the "cyclops" sign if there were still 2-character route designations). |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Jul 11 09:59:22 2020, in response to Re: Line Names, posted by randyo on Sat Jul 11 02:14:25 2020. So if SF is for the Franklin, and SR is for the Rockaway (still think it should be the H!), what is the internal designation for the 42nd St Shuttle? |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Jul 11 10:24:59 2020, in response to Re: Line Names, posted by randyo on Sat Jul 11 02:14:25 2020. SF and SR show up right away on mta.info, as I type this, and presumably most of the time. They are in the icons used for service status. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Jul 11 10:27:54 2020, in response to Re: Line Names, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Jul 11 09:59:22 2020. I too think it strange that they prefer to put SF and SR on the website for the public to see, but still dont' want to use H. These shuttle lines are far enough away from each other that confusion should be rare but why take even a minimal risk? (The A when running local connects with all three S shuttles in the city).In London, a one-stop line has a regular line name, the "Waterloo & City Line" referring to its two endpoints. |
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Posted by Handbrake on Sat Jul 11 18:17:43 2020, in response to Re: Line Names, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Jul 10 23:35:03 2020. Single letters began to be deployed in 1972. The KK became the K, and the QJ became the J by painting over the second letter on R9 subway car roll signs.J Line - Letter "Q" Blacked Out https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?2248 https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?2302 K Line - Second Letter "K" Blacked Out https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?41496 Complete elimination of double letters by 1986 Example: AA become K |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jul 11 19:50:32 2020, in response to Re: Line Names, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Jul 11 10:27:54 2020. When did they start adding the “F" and “R” to the Fkln and Fock shuttles? That didn’t used to be done when I was working there. For the public all shuttle simply were called “S” with no suffixes whatsoever. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jul 11 19:51:03 2020, in response to Re: Line Names, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Jul 11 10:24:59 2020. As I asked in another post, when did that start? |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jul 11 19:55:29 2020, in response to Re: Line Names, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Jul 11 09:58:23 2020. If it can be done on the buses it can be done on the trains. |
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Posted by VictorM on Sat Jul 11 21:04:34 2020, in response to Re: Line Names, posted by randyo on Sat Jul 11 19:51:03 2020. I'm pretty sure it started only a month or two ago on the status page. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Sat Jul 11 21:41:47 2020, in response to Re: Line Names, posted by randyo on Sat Jul 11 19:50:32 2020. It's only in the past couple of years and really only on the service alerts on the website. I don't believe there's any other place it's used, not even schedules. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jul 12 02:02:41 2020, in response to Re: Line Names, posted by K. Trout on Sat Jul 11 21:41:47 2020. The Fkln Shuttle was coded as “SF” in the internal timetables and the Rockaway Shuttle was coded as “HH." |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jul 12 02:03:48 2020, in response to Re: Line Names, posted by randyo on Sun Jul 12 02:02:41 2020. My error. I believe the Rockaway Shuttle was a single “H." |
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