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Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line

Posted by randyo on Fri Jun 26 16:09:01 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by SLRT on Fri Jun 26 08:45:06 2020.

Unless the Yd/Mast at DO Yd needed a train for one of the other services and there was a Multi available.

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Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line

Posted by randyo on Fri Jun 26 16:14:03 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jun 26 14:20:30 2020.

Some of the Mulltis had their mechanical signs replaced with el type signs and brackets removed from el cars.

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Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jun 26 19:52:24 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by randyo on Fri Jun 26 01:36:02 2020.

Go figure.

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Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jun 26 19:53:54 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by randyo on Fri Jun 26 01:48:37 2020.

I can only imagine the multis streaking down that express track, Manhattan-bound, between Broadway Junction and Myrtle Ave.

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Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jun 26 19:56:47 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by randyo on Fri Jun 26 16:14:03 2020.

Cloth rollsigns weren't good enough, it seems.:)

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Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line

Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jun 26 20:32:24 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jun 26 19:56:47 2020.

The Multis had been originally planned for single person operation. Hence, the roll sign fiasco, later on in their services.

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Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line

Posted by randyo on Sat Jun 27 02:16:38 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jun 26 20:32:24 2020.

Although the Green Hornet and the Zephyr were actually equipped for OPTO and there is a photo of the Hornet with its rear view mirrors extended, the production Multis only had provision for the rear view mirrors but never had them installed and didnít have OPTO capable door controls installed either. The mechanical signs changeable from one operating position for the train were used however.

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Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line

Posted by Express Rider on Sat Jun 27 06:47:39 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by randyo on Wed Jun 24 01:52:54 2020.

I remember reading about the six track plan - maybe in old NYT articles. If built as planned, wouldn't that have aided removal of riders to the SAS, ending the overcrowding on the Lex?

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Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line

Posted by Express Rider on Sat Jun 27 06:51:33 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by Edwards! on Thu Jun 25 13:16:30 2020.

re: was an F train between Roosevelt Avenue and Queens Plaza....

over the years, what speeds could, and did, the R9's reach on that stretch of run?

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Posted by Express Rider on Sat Jun 27 07:27:44 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by randyo on Fri Jun 26 01:48:37 2020.

Weren't they used in Fulton St. service out of Park Row? If so, for how long, and what was their eastern terminal? - or were there two eastern terminals - one rush hour (eastern pkwy? maybe for example) and one non-rush hourr?

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Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jun 27 08:43:25 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by Express Rider on Sat Jun 27 06:51:33 2020.

I rode on a prewar Ethel from Union Turnpike to 42nd St. in May of 1968 and it really moved along the express stretch.

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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 27 11:28:02 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by Express Rider on Sat Jun 27 06:51:33 2020.

The R-9 class of cars had just one motorized truck per car. That truck had two 190 HP motors so with the newer, lighter cars having 400 HP, any perception of speed Wes just that.

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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jun 27 11:36:28 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jun 27 08:43:25 2020.

I was on a R1-9 E train going to the old Madison Sq Garden on 50th & 8 from Queens & that train did fly thru the 53d St Tunnel. We hit a stretch of poor quality track & the whole front end of my car was swaying left & right so hard it felt like it was banging the sides of the tunnel. My first thought was this could be a re-enactment of the opening scene from the "Fugitive" TV series!

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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 27 11:39:56 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jun 27 11:36:28 2020.

There was a segment of track between Queens Plaza and Roosevelt Ave where that would happen. Weíd wait for an R-9 each day to enjoy the full effect.

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Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line

Posted by murray1575 on Sat Jun 27 13:15:50 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 27 11:39:56 2020.

What's interesting is that I can't remember any E or F trains derailing on that section of track in those days. However an R46 F train derailed a few years ago after a recently replaced section of rail broke under it.

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Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line

Posted by Edwards! on Sat Jun 27 13:17:59 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by Express Rider on Sat Jun 27 06:51:33 2020.

That particular event was an E train.
I rode the E more than F in Queens because of 169th st being a E stop,and That's where I usually got on.

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Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line

Posted by randyo on Sat Jun 27 17:23:04 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 27 11:28:02 2020.

Plus if it happened that the trailer truck on the lead car was in the lead it might have given a different feel to the ride.

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Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line

Posted by randyo on Sat Jun 27 17:26:45 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by Express Rider on Sat Jun 27 07:27:44 2020.

Although the Multis did some test runs on the complete Fulton St el there is no record or any photographic evidence of them ever having operated there in regular service like there is of the Green Hornet.

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Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line

Posted by SLRT on Sun Jun 28 20:06:34 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by randyo on Sat Jun 27 17:26:45 2020.

Are you talking about the Green Hornet in front of A&S?

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Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line

Posted by randyo on Mon Jun 29 00:31:45 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by SLRT on Sun Jun 28 20:06:34 2020.

Thatís one of them. There is at least one more of it at Franklin Manhattan bound with the offside rear view mirror extended.

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Posted by SLRT on Mon Jun 29 13:25:46 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by randyo on Mon Jun 29 00:31:45 2020.

The one in front pf A&S was a publicity shot FOR A&S.

The photographer complained to me that he was never paid for the picture.

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Posted by Express Rider on Mon Jun 29 22:51:48 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by randyo on Sat Jun 27 17:26:45 2020.

Thank you!
While the C-Types did correct? I'm referring to the picture of the C-type at Park Rowm, that looks as though its in regular revenue service.

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Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line

Posted by Express Rider on Mon Jun 29 22:59:21 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by randyo on Mon Jun 29 00:31:45 2020.

This would be the same photo that also appears in Subway Cars of the BMT & Sansone's book?

Have all existing pictures of the Green Hornet been published? I can think of photos in both of the above books, which are all that I have ever seen. One of them IIRC(?) appeared in Brian Cudahy's Underneath the Sidewalks... book.

Any others out there I wonder?
Maybe some other railfan's which have never been published, or builders photos? Though maybe any of these latter ones may already have been published in the above books.

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Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line

Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 30 01:09:31 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by Express Rider on Mon Jun 29 22:59:21 2020.

Jim Greller wrote a book on BMT subway equipment which includes quite a few good photos of all the BMT experimentals and the regular Multis.

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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Jun 30 09:41:28 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by randyo on Tue Jun 30 01:09:31 2020.

Thank you. I do have this book; currently packed away in my storage unit.

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Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line

Posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 1 08:14:40 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by Express Rider on Tue Jun 30 09:41:28 2020.

I have a book with every subway car purchased up until the R160S.

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Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jul 1 09:43:13 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 1 08:14:40 2020.

Was it written by Gene Sansone?

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Posted by randyo on Wed Jul 1 14:39:41 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jul 1 09:43:13 2020.

Gene Sansoneís was a different book.

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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 2 01:06:15 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by randyo on Wed Jul 1 14:39:41 2020.

I think Gene's book only covered up to the R-142s

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Posted by randyo on Thu Jul 2 16:00:37 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 2 01:06:15 2020.

Geneís book was a pretty comprehensive book of everything on the NYCTS. Jim Grellerís book is strictly pre war BMT.

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