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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 23 15:12:39 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 23 14:40:33 2020. Shame. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 23 15:58:52 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 23 14:40:33 2020. Also the SAS. It was expected that the SAS would have been equipped with state of the art signaling of one kind or another maybe or maybe not CBTC. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jun 23 16:03:22 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 22 17:23:36 2020. ."..the trains could exceed 60 mph down grade."On the Flushing Line, Manhattan bound expresses coming downgrade from the 111th St flyover whipping around the curve into 103d St seemed to be in a +60 Mph stretch. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 23 19:18:05 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jun 23 16:03:22 2020. I couldn't say. I never worked it he A division |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 23 19:18:07 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jun 23 16:03:22 2020. I couldn't say. I never worked it he A division |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 23 19:19:23 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by randyo on Tue Jun 23 15:58:52 2020. Possibly but not with making all stops. They are just too close together |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jun 23 20:11:19 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 23 19:19:23 2020. I read that originally, the 2nd Ave. line was to have a nonstop stretch from 34th St. all the way to 125th St. I can easily imagine 70 mph speeds on that stretch. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jun 23 20:12:49 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by randyo on Tue Jun 23 01:41:31 2020. If that was Manhattan-bound, I could believe it. IINM that run is downhill most of the way. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 23 21:46:21 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jun 23 20:11:19 2020. Without a doubt. But to save money, they reduced it to 2 tracks. Actually, 72nd St was suppsed to be a track station even up to a few years before conpletion. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Jun 23 22:23:57 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jun 23 20:12:49 2020. Seems like Eastern Parkway, for much of its length was one of the higher points in Brooklyn. Definitely that way on its western protion (Crown Heights). Going south, the grade was noticeable until it bottomed out at Empire Blvd (this was around Bedford Av, I lived for several years on Sullivan Pl (1 block north of Empire) between Bedford and Rogers). |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jun 24 00:23:07 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 23 21:46:21 2020. That should read ‘A three track station” |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Jun 24 01:10:11 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 22 23:00:37 2020. The R46 operated in Regulated Mode speed of 65mph along the QB Express.The program was suspended after a fatal wreck in the relay area of 179th street station. Train hit the tunnel wall. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Jun 24 01:12:45 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by randyo on Tue Jun 23 01:41:31 2020. Downhill run. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jun 24 01:52:54 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jun 23 20:11:19 2020. The original plans for the SAS called for a 6 track section with a sort of super express and now they can’t even get a complete subway with 2 tracks! |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jun 24 01:59:05 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jun 23 20:12:49 2020. It was Manhattan bound. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jun 24 02:01:50 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by Edwards! on Wed Jun 24 01:10:11 2020. I though it was a different wreck that caused the order to stop the regulated mode. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jun 24 02:16:09 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by Edwards! on Wed Jun 24 01:10:11 2020. That's not correct. I was one of the first managers on the scene that Friday night. The train was preceding normally onto D1 track to relay. The train operator was operating at about 10 MPH through the switches and down grade. At some point, it was believed that the operator slumped forward on the console, either because of a stroke or heart attack and pushed the master controller into multiple. The train hit the bumping block at about 30-35 MPH. The cab of Car #1054 was pushed back approximately 8 feet due to the momentum of the 7 cars behind it. Car #1054 and 941 were damaged beyond repair but the other 6 cars were moved to Jamaica Yard under their own power. There was no Wayside Regulated mode in use. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jun 24 02:20:19 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by randyo on Wed Jun 24 02:01:50 2020. Prior to the 179th St incident, there were no R-46 cars lost to incident. The fleet was 754 cars. After that incident, Cars 1054 and 941 were scrapped and stored in Jamaica yard until shipped to Hornell NY in 1990 to be used for skin patches and for testing the new flooring material at Gold Bond Building Products in Buffalo, Nov 1991. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 24 03:22:01 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by Express Rider on Mon Jun 22 03:54:36 2020. Sadly people will stick their hands out.There are some photos from trips where people do that in Rockaways. Especially with cameras. Btw In 1986 a girl stuck her hand out of an R-30 on the M as it descended towards Broadway. Her hand hit the ties from the Myrtle El. The ties were immediately removed. Maybe Bill from Maspeth remembers what happened to side sash windows. I think they were locked. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 24 03:24:25 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jun 22 09:44:42 2020. J is great.A Lefferts to portal is underrated. It deserves far more attention. I wish more YouTube footage existed. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jun 24 08:26:26 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 24 03:24:25 2020. West End, though preferably with the RFW, and no unnecessary slowdowns, is nice, starting with treading through the yard area west of 9th Ave, then cruising above New Utrecht Ave and 86th St, then a meandering path into Coney Island. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Wed Jun 24 11:36:32 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jun 23 20:11:19 2020. Depends on which version you're looking at - the 1931 plan on Joe Korman's site had six tracks from 57th to 125th, which would have allowed for some sort of super-express service. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jun 24 15:52:02 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 24 03:22:01 2020. I don’t any side sash windows ever being locked. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 24 16:05:22 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by randyo on Wed Jun 24 15:52:02 2020. Around 1986 or 1987 I think the R27/30 had locked side sash windows. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 24 17:01:37 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 24 16:05:22 2020. Maybe I should say disabled. Side windows could no longer open. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jun 24 17:15:20 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 24 17:01:37 2020. that was done in the early 90s on the R32 and up to keep windows closed on HVAC equipped cars |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jun 24 17:40:13 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 24 16:05:22 2020. I do recall some of the R-32 and 38 vent windows being locked, but not all, just 1 or 2 per car. Locking the side windows on the 27/30s would be bad in the summer and possibly result in passengers breaking them if the cars got too hot. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 24 18:05:32 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by randyo on Wed Jun 24 17:40:13 2020. I think the modification happened when they were overhauled and got AC. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jun 24 21:25:30 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 23 21:46:21 2020. I also read that engineers calculated that a two-track line would be more than sufficient. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jun 24 21:26:36 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by randyo on Wed Jun 24 01:59:05 2020. Let gravity and momentum do the work.:) |
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Posted by gbs on Wed Jun 24 22:49:47 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jun 24 21:26:36 2020. At one time there was a speed limit sign between two Broadway local stations on the Manhattan-bound J track that said "45 MILES". Perhaps the sign is still there. I can't imagine a local train attaining that speed between two local stops, downhill or not. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jun 25 01:58:45 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 24 18:05:32 2020. On the R-32 and 38s yes, but at least one vent window on each side was able to be opened in the event of an A/C failure. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jun 25 02:03:15 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by randyo on Thu Jun 25 01:58:45 2020. Those trains didn't have sliding windows.Perhaps I am forgetting things. I seem to remember the R30 sash window being addressed as a lawsuit risk. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jun 25 06:39:12 2020, in response to 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by SLRT on Sat Jun 20 15:47:28 2020. I should do one from 1987 .... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jun 25 07:06:52 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by BLE-NIMX on Mon Jun 22 22:15:22 2020. That explains why I remember them as dogs at the end. Rode one on a B train in 86 that barely made it up and over the bridge. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Jun 25 09:47:47 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jun 25 06:39:12 2020. So do it. |
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Posted by BMT Standard on Thu Jun 25 10:34:15 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by randyo on Mon Jun 22 19:38:48 2020. For some reason, the Multis never had a #10 reading for the bulkhead route number sign, so when operated on the Myrtle/Chambers, the route number sign was usually blank. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Jun 25 11:06:28 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jun 24 21:25:30 2020. Sufficient depending on where it would go and what it would serve. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jun 25 13:16:30 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by randyo on Wed Jun 24 01:59:05 2020. Oh yeah.The Eastern Pkwy/Myrtle Avenue run is sweet. One morning trip actually scared me just a bit, the train was Really PUSHING it. And This was a R27/30! When we Had to slow down approaching Myrtle junction, I could swear I heard a collective "sigh of relief" by the passengers! The run to Essex wasn't as exciting,but there were very few that were! The ONLY run I could comfortably compare to that morning, was an F train between Roosevelt Avenue and Queens Plaza....R46 Operating in REGULATED MODE OF 65MPH along a downward stretch of Express track towards Manhattan. Wow. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jun 25 14:53:58 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jun 25 02:03:15 2020. I said VENT windows. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jun 25 15:02:09 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by BMT Standard on Thu Jun 25 10:34:15 2020. I never understood that. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Jun 25 15:25:59 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by Edwards! on Thu Jun 25 13:16:30 2020. A favorite of mine was the ride from Kings Highway to Newkirk Avenue on a D-Type on the Brighton Express.After running full speed on the express track, they roared down the hill into Newkirk, stopping neatly at the 8-car marker. Except once or twice it didn't neatly make the marker (I heard) and they put timers on it. But I think that's gone now. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Jun 25 15:47:28 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by randyo on Thu Jun 25 15:02:09 2020. I remember that but I'm guessing it only had signs for the lines it could be useful on. That would be only the Fulton Street Line, 14th St.-Fulton Street, and Canarsie off-hours.That is, lines that could use a train capable of running on a lighter-weight el structure that had 10-ft platforms. That didn't fit Myrtle-Chambers. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jun 25 18:56:00 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by SLRT on Thu Jun 25 15:47:28 2020. I read that in later years, those destination sign mechanisms often malfunctioned, and it was common to see multis displaying incorrect signage. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jun 25 18:57:25 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jun 25 07:06:52 2020. Everybody out and push!:) |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jun 25 20:56:48 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jun 22 21:27:02 2020. As I recall, the R-16's ran at a nice express clip on the old "15", between the WillyB and Eastern Pkwy. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jun 26 01:36:02 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by SLRT on Thu Jun 25 15:25:59 2020. Ironically, even though a few expresses blew Newkirk, the Grade timer was installed on the N/B LOCAL track. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jun 26 01:48:37 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by SLRT on Thu Jun 25 15:47:28 2020. Myrtle/Chambers fit just fine as did the #14 Bway Bkln Lcl and #15 Jamaica Line. While steels couldn’t be used on Fulton St because of the weight, Multis could be used on any line that could fit 10 ft wide cars. |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Jun 26 08:45:06 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by randyo on Fri Jun 26 01:48:37 2020. Sure, they could have been used on any line with 10-foot loading platforms, but there was no particular point. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jun 26 14:20:30 2020, in response to Re: 1957: the trains you could see on every line, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jun 25 18:56:00 2020. You could change the signs from a single location, as long as the sign box chains didn't get jammed- which they did. |
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