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Re: R-179 Status |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jun 16 08:33:02 2020, in response to R-179 Status, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 16 08:29:46 2020. Does BBD pay any penalties for this in cold cash ?The last thing we need are 18 more of them. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 16 09:06:06 2020, in response to Re: R-179 Status, posted by Joe V on Tue Jun 16 08:33:02 2020. As a complete outsider, let me give you a historic answer. Contracts such as ones for subway cars usually have performance milestone requirements. There will likely be penalties imposed BUT and this is a very big BUT:NYCT & The MTA parent org. never buy "off the shelf" Requirements for rail cars they buy are determined by NYCT engineering with concurrence of a consultant firm. Therefore, questions of design vs manufacturing quality become an issue. In addition, since Bombardier builds the cars in state, there is only so far the governor will allow the MTA to go if the result will be a loss in jobs. History repeats itself once again. |
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Posted by Chicago44 on Tue Jun 16 11:40:29 2020, in response to Re: R-179 Status, posted by Joe V on Tue Jun 16 08:33:02 2020. Where did you hear that 18 more cars are coming. |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Tue Jun 16 12:00:09 2020, in response to Re: R-179 Status, posted by Chicago44 on Tue Jun 16 11:40:29 2020. Bombardier agreed to add 18 cars to the order for failing to meet delivery goals in lieu of a cash penalty, specifically for the door failures. |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Tue Jun 16 12:02:09 2020, in response to Re: R-179 Status, posted by Chicago44 on Tue Jun 16 11:40:29 2020. Bombardier agreed to add 18 cars to the order for failing to meet delivery goals in lieu of a cash penalty,Bombardier will make up its lapses to the MTA by delivering 18 additional R179 cars at no cost to the MTA. Those 18 cars are worth around $36 million, which Byford said offsets the MTA’s expense keeping the ancient R32s in good repair. https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-comptroller-report-scott-stringer-mta-r179-subway-cars-20191209-bca2fvu74vh3bdsbvdcqadckvy-story.html |
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R-32 Status (Re: R-179 Status) |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jun 16 12:07:03 2020, in response to R-179 Status, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 16 08:29:46 2020. Since the R-179 are MIA, anyone know if/where R-32s are actually running? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jun 16 12:32:41 2020, in response to Re: R-179 Status, posted by Chicago44 on Tue Jun 16 11:40:29 2020. Didn't say that.18 cars were penalties to the contract as a condition for the contract being late. Penalties. Not new. |
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Re: R-32 Status (Re: R-179 Status) |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Jun 16 12:44:14 2020, in response to R-32 Status (Re: R-179 Status), posted by SLRT on Tue Jun 16 12:07:03 2020. The 32s haven't been returned to service yet. Some were transferred to ENY for J/Z service but ENY hasn't used them yet. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Jun 16 13:17:46 2020, in response to Re: R-179 Status, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Tue Jun 16 12:02:09 2020. Are all the R-179's in ?Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Jun 16 13:37:01 2020, in response to Re: R-179 Status, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 16 09:06:06 2020. NYCT & The MTA parent org. never buy "off the shelf" Requirements for rail cars they buy are determined by NYCT engineering with concurrence of a consultant firm.Since NYCT has the largest fleet in the US, do they not buy "off the shelf" because they set the standard for subway car components (because of NYCT's size) and they feel "off the shelf" doesn't meet those specs? --Mark |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 16 14:23:49 2020, in response to Re: R-179 Status, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Jun 16 13:37:01 2020. I'm not criticizing the practice but it opens the door for shared liability when a situation like this occurs. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 16 15:23:41 2020, in response to Re: R-179 Status, posted by Joe V on Tue Jun 16 08:33:02 2020. It reminds me of a joke that in a a car raffle, the first prize was a Yugo and the second prize was two of them. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jun 16 16:10:02 2020, in response to Re: R-179 Status, posted by randyo on Tue Jun 16 15:23:41 2020. The joke a boss of mine said around 1990 is that there was an uptick in Yugo sales because they were cheaper than coffins. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jun 16 20:20:38 2020, in response to Re: R-179 Status, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Jun 16 13:17:46 2020. Yes. They were all active at the time the fleet was taken out of service.Including the 18 extra, free cars. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 16 20:39:20 2020, in response to R-179 Status, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 16 08:29:46 2020. Recalling an auto for malfunction makes sense.Grounding a fleet of aircraft makes sense. Removing an entire make of train dies not make sense. |
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Posted by Ble-nimx on Tue Jun 16 21:36:36 2020, in response to Re: R-179 Status, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 16 20:39:20 2020. It did when it came to the Pullman trucks and bus engines falling to the streets |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jun 17 06:45:28 2020, in response to Re: R-179 Status, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 16 20:39:20 2020. Why not ? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jun 17 07:03:41 2020, in response to Re: R-179 Status, posted by Ble-nimx on Tue Jun 16 21:36:36 2020. I guess you mean Rockwell trucks |
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Re: R-32 Status (Re: R-179 Status) |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Jun 17 09:21:30 2020, in response to Re: R-32 Status (Re: R-179 Status), posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Jun 16 12:44:14 2020. Still not running full rush hour service. F train for example is only 8 minute headway during rush so they don't need the R32's yet.Come phase 2 when office workers return it may be a different story. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Wed Jun 17 11:05:34 2020, in response to Re: R-179 Status, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jun 17 07:03:41 2020. yes |
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Re: R-32 Status (Re: R-179 Status) |
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Posted by R33/r36 mainline on Wed Jun 17 14:11:21 2020, in response to Re: R-32 Status (Re: R-179 Status), posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Jun 17 09:21:30 2020. Cuomo said in his press conference earlier that Phase 2 will start on Monday for NYC, will see. |
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Re: R-32 Status (Re: R-179 Status) |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Jun 17 14:59:14 2020, in response to Re: R-32 Status (Re: R-179 Status), posted by R33/r36 mainline on Wed Jun 17 14:11:21 2020. There is some debate, since it is not yet finalized whether we will make the numbers. Still waiting on whether or not their is a spike from phase one and from the week of protests...Real indicators will be more accurate over the weekend and early next week. Even the Mayor was hesitant to confirm Monday. Might be worth a Weds/Thurs target... |
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Re: R-32 Status (Re: R-179 Status) |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Jun 17 15:55:54 2020, in response to Re: R-32 Status (Re: R-179 Status), posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Jun 17 09:21:30 2020. It remains to be seen if working from home will continue to be a thing, and to what extent, after offices can reopen. If it remains popular that will obviously have an effect on rush hour subway ridership and might lessen the need for the R32's. |
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Re: R-32 Status (Re: R-179 Status) |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jun 17 19:31:02 2020, in response to Re: R-32 Status (Re: R-179 Status), posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Jun 17 09:21:30 2020. The F won't be able to run regular headways due to the work at Kings Hwy. till September. Trains cannot turn there. The best they can do is a 6 minute rush hour headway from Stillwell. |
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Re: R-32 Status (Re: R-179 Status) |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jun 18 01:46:25 2020, in response to Re: R-32 Status (Re: R-179 Status), posted by pragmatist on Wed Jun 17 14:59:14 2020. The governor might overrule the mayor on this one. |
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Yugo Next @ GCT (was Re: R-179 Status) |
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Posted by b/p rupture on Sun Jun 28 07:19:32 2020, in response to Re: R-179 Status, posted by randyo on Tue Jun 16 15:23:41 2020. It reminds me of a joke that in a car raffle, the first prize was a Yugo and the second prize was two of them.Anyone remember in the 90s, the School of Visual Arts held an exhibit in GCT, entitled "Yugo Next". Students repurposed the cars, for their next life. Highlights included a Zippo lighter, one turned into a coin-op kiddie ride, (actually worked), and an enclosed foosball table. The reason I bring this up, is one was converted into an R62 look-a-like in 6 train service. Went by after work one day, near the end, and still regret not getting back to take pictures. |
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Re: Yugo Next @ GCT (was Re: R-179 Status) |
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Posted by heypaul on Sun Jun 28 14:40:07 2020, in response to Yugo Next @ GCT (was Re: R-179 Status), posted by b/p rupture on Sun Jun 28 07:19:32 2020. There’s a video on Vimeo of “Hugo Next”.https://vimeo.com/75884748?ref=em-v-share I don’t know why my links don’t work. Copy this address https://vimeo.com/75884748?ref=em-v-share |
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Re: Yugo Next @ GCT (was Re: R-179 Status) |
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Posted by Asgard on Sun Jun 28 15:30:23 2020, in response to Yugo Next @ GCT (was Re: R-179 Status), posted by b/p rupture on Sun Jun 28 07:19:32 2020. I remember that. I had forgotten that it was SVA students.One of the cars had been converted into a confessional, if I recall correctly. |
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