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PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by kp5308 on Sat May 30 08:18:25 2020

Yesterday I took my lunch break at Leaman Place PA along Amtrak's Harrisburg Line to take a shot at catching the first run of the new Alstom train up here in Lancaster County. At around 1PM the brand new Avelia Liberty trainset passed westbound at about 20MPH. I didn't see any numbers on any of the equipment, I didn't count cars and I CERTAINLY didn't like that goofy-ass sounding horn! Personally I think this is a really odd looking train. Anyway thanks to WooWooDave for filling me in on this move:


Does anyone know if only one pantograph can power both locomotives?


First class is marked by a red entry door:


Articulated truck detail:


Short cars rule:


Only one first class car in the consist:


The train will stop at CONESTOGA, cross over & return to Philly. Reportedly it goes to DC Sunday:


Surprisingly there were only about 10 people besides myself to photograph the move. Two of them were Strasburg employees:


Speaking of Strasburg they will not be opening the passenger operation till July at the earliest. The staff can work on their grounds, structures and equipment plus do contract work only.





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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat May 30 10:04:08 2020, in response to PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by kp5308 on Sat May 30 08:18:25 2020.

Nice catch.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 30 11:58:25 2020, in response to PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by kp5308 on Sat May 30 08:18:25 2020.

Repeating a lot of mistakes with the first "Acela". And the name "Acela" still hasn't worn well.

BTW, "Avelia" is the name of a single-celled organism.

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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by jailhousedoc on Sat May 30 12:39:43 2020, in response to PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by kp5308 on Sat May 30 08:18:25 2020.

the people who are running AMTRAK are, in my view, trying to catch up to the Japanese,the French and Chinese with this imitation high-speed train set, but it will never compete with those truly high speed rail lines unless a dedicated right-of-way is built with no grade crossings, no connections to other rail services - freight or commuter lines - and no interference from narrow visioned politicians. The chances of that being built are very remote.

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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat May 30 14:51:45 2020, in response to PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by kp5308 on Sat May 30 08:18:25 2020.

GOOD SHOTS !!!!

NICE

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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by bzuck on Sat May 30 16:40:35 2020, in response to PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by kp5308 on Sat May 30 08:18:25 2020.

I am wondering about use of one pantograph too. Do they have 25kv running train line? Or do they have only one engine powered?

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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by kp5308 on Sat May 30 18:49:04 2020, in response to Re: PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by bzuck on Sat May 30 16:40:35 2020.

There is very little technical information out there about the whole project so if anyone finds a link or something please post it.

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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by kp5308 on Sat May 30 18:56:09 2020, in response to Re: PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by jailhousedoc on Sat May 30 12:39:43 2020.

I believe the infrastructure, particularly the tunnels on the entire NEC need to be immediately addressed. When they fail these new trains won't matter. Reliable service on a solid foundation is what we need to shoot for, not 200-plus speed. We as a nation do not have the dedication to a project of the magnitude you speak of to see it through to a full build out. But what do I know...

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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by kp5308 on Sat May 30 18:57:18 2020, in response to Re: PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat May 30 10:04:08 2020.

Luck of my schedule :o)

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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by kp5308 on Sat May 30 18:58:13 2020, in response to Re: PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat May 30 14:51:45 2020.

Not-so-Smartphone comes in handy :o)

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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by nasadowsk on Sat May 30 22:34:14 2020, in response to PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by kp5308 on Sat May 30 08:18:25 2020.

What's so gooofy about the horn?

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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by Sand Box John on Sat May 30 22:36:05 2020, in response to PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by kp5308 on Sat May 30 08:18:25 2020.



Sandwiched between footage of Santa Fe Junction in Kansas City.

John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore.

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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by Train Dude on Sun May 31 01:49:38 2020, in response to Re: PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by bzuck on Sat May 30 16:40:35 2020.

Insanity running 25 kv Trainline. I suspect that they were testing one power car only.

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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by TerRAPIN Station on Sun May 31 03:06:52 2020, in response to Re: PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by nasadowsk on Sat May 30 22:34:14 2020.

Word has it that it sounds terrible.

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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by TerRAPIN Station on Sun May 31 03:07:21 2020, in response to PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by kp5308 on Sat May 30 08:18:25 2020.

Thanks for sharing!!

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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by bzuck on Sun May 31 08:34:39 2020, in response to Re: PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by Train Dude on Sun May 31 01:49:38 2020.

That is a possible explanation.

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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 31 11:54:56 2020, in response to Re: PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by kp5308 on Sat May 30 18:56:09 2020.

We as a nation

It's not supposed to be up to us "as a nation" (collectivism). If this were the private sector, things like this would be addressed; as things are, this is a tinker-toy for the elite of elites.

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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by kp5308 on Sun May 31 12:24:08 2020, in response to Re: PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 31 11:54:56 2020.

It's not supposed to be up to us "as a nation"

Doesn't matter what it is "supposed" to be. At this point that is what it would take.

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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun May 31 12:31:45 2020, in response to Re: PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by Sand Box John on Sat May 30 22:36:05 2020.

Thanks for the videos, and that horn sound, very unusual sound.Sand Box John

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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun May 31 14:34:12 2020, in response to Re: PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun May 31 12:31:45 2020.

What is the black piece of equipment on the siding at around 1:45 on the clip> Thanks, Sand Box John

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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by nasadowsk on Sun May 31 15:36:58 2020, in response to Re: PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by Train Dude on Sun May 31 01:49:38 2020.

Why? It's done all the time in France...

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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by nasadowsk on Sun May 31 15:39:37 2020, in response to Re: PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun May 31 12:31:45 2020.

What's so unusual about it? It's basically the same horn everything else in the world outside the US has.

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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by Sand Box John on Sun May 31 15:46:18 2020, in response to Re: PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun May 31 14:34:12 2020.

What is the black piece of equipment on the siding at around 1:45 on the clip> Thanks, Sand Box John

Old school wreck crane. Early versions were steam powered later versions diesel powered.



John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore.

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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by NJCL2308 on Sun May 31 16:09:45 2020, in response to Re: PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by bzuck on Sat May 30 16:40:35 2020.

There's a bus bar, or whatever the current technological equivalent is. One pantograph will be the norm.

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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun May 31 16:41:53 2020, in response to Re: PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by NJCL2308 on Sun May 31 16:09:45 2020.

cool they better have some serious safeguards then in case two pantographs are up, cause it will cause a dead short at and of phase breaks or phase gaps on NEC.


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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun May 31 17:41:30 2020, in response to Re: PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by kp5308 on Sat May 30 18:58:13 2020.

LOOKS LIKE A SLR

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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun May 31 18:19:09 2020, in response to Re: PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by nasadowsk on Sun May 31 15:39:37 2020.

Thank you, I did not realize that! nasadowski

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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by nasadowsk on Sun May 31 19:31:03 2020, in response to Re: PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun May 31 16:41:53 2020.

SNCF has been doing this for what? Four decades now?

I think they might actually know what they're doing...

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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by kp5308 on Sun May 31 21:17:12 2020, in response to Re: PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun May 31 17:41:30 2020.

We're behind the technology bro....plus my phone is from the Smartphone Ice Age!

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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 1 01:36:52 2020, in response to Re: PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by nasadowsk on Sun May 31 19:31:03 2020.

Argumentum ad verecundiam. Just because SNCF is used to throwing money down certain holes, it doesn't mean they know what they're doing.

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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by Express Rider on Mon Jun 1 04:42:21 2020, in response to PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by kp5308 on Sat May 30 08:18:25 2020.

odd looking?
yeah.
The tapered front end of the locomotive looks like some kind of angry reptile.

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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 1 11:47:24 2020, in response to Re: PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by Express Rider on Mon Jun 1 04:42:21 2020.

Looks more like Anseriformes to me.

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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by nasadowsk on Mon Jun 1 18:17:13 2020, in response to Re: PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 1 01:36:52 2020.

Given that the TGV is probably the best HST out there, makes me think they do. The ICE has had plenty of issues (I'd expect DB and Siemens to avoid something as basic as a wheel not coming apart...), the Chinese stuff is just copies, Snowmobile Inc's Acela was a technical failure.

The Shinkansen is interesting, but doesn't apply outside of Japanese operating and construction practices (the idea of a Shinkansen style operation in the US is laughable. We can't even get to SBB's level of reliabilty).

The X2000 was close, but no cigar, (which counted in the Clinton years)

And ABB's out of the biz...

There's aspects about the TGV I didn't like last time I was in France ( the bilevel ones suck, in particular), but the system in general works, and swapping between LGVs and the conventional system works well, even if they're dogs on 1.5kv.

Sure Alst(h)om is basically a workfare program for France. Canada has Bombardier, the US has Lockheed. I'm sure Germany and Italy have their own too. (Italy - Fiat, duh. I can't think of one for Germany, Siemens sure as hell ain't it.)

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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Jun 2 15:43:05 2020, in response to Re: PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by kp5308 on Sun May 31 21:17:12 2020.

IAWTP

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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jun 2 15:47:58 2020, in response to PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by kp5308 on Sat May 30 08:18:25 2020.

It's a goofy talgo?

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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 2 16:04:09 2020, in response to Re: PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jun 2 15:47:58 2020.

Too tall above rail to be a Talgo. More like a modified TGV, but without the capability of boarding and disembarking at low platforms.

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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 2 16:04:48 2020, in response to Re: PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jun 2 15:47:58 2020.

Too tall above rail to be a Talgo. More like a modified TGV, but without the capability of boarding and disembarking at low platforms.

Also, Talgos have two wheels between cars, not four.

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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by kp5308 on Tue Jun 2 18:20:49 2020, in response to Re: PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jun 2 15:47:58 2020.

Nah.....just goofy :o)

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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 3 18:15:03 2020, in response to Re: PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by nasadowsk on Mon Jun 1 18:17:13 2020.

Given that the TGV is probably the best HST out there

By what measure?

France has a way higher tolerance for more frequent maintenance, given their long-standing socialistic bent. That's what I meant by throwing money down certain holes.

The ICE has had plenty of issues (I'd expect DB and Siemens to avoid something as basic as a wheel not coming apart…)

If you're talking about Eschede, that wasn't merely "a wheel…coming apart". Why should a piece of a tire coming off a wheel have thrown a switch halfway? And how many similar accidents have happened? Did anything like this happen with ICE 3 or any later models?

Besides, we're getting into apples/oranges comparisons and red herrings. There isn't anything to compare to with respect to private-sector operations, and the USA isn't going back to private-sector passenger rail the way things keep getting re-regulated.

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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 3 18:15:48 2020, in response to Re: PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by nasadowsk on Sun May 31 15:39:37 2020.

Well, ain't that a collectivist explanation.

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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by Sand Box John on Fri Jun 5 13:31:58 2020, in response to Re: PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by bzuck on Sat May 30 16:40:35 2020.

I am wondering about use of one pantograph too. Do they have 25kv running train line? Or do they have only one engine powered?

In this video it appears to be yes as one can here the traction motor wine on the lead locomotive with the pantograph down.


John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore.

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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by Joe V on Fri Jun 5 14:00:31 2020, in response to Re: PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by Sand Box John on Fri Jun 5 13:31:58 2020.

What a terrible horn.

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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jun 5 15:10:36 2020, in response to Re: PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by Joe V on Fri Jun 5 14:00:31 2020.

Wonder if they have any horns left over from the AEM-7s.

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Re: PHOTOS: New Acela

Posted by randyo on Fri Jun 5 15:33:16 2020, in response to Re: PHOTOS: New Acela, posted by Joe V on Fri Jun 5 14:00:31 2020.

Sounds like a out of order horn on a NYCTA SMEE!

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