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Posted by qveensboro_plaza on Thu May 28 12:06:48 2020, in response to [PHOTO] Lexington Ave. el, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu May 28 11:43:23 2020. The bend was at Grand/Lafayette - the upper section of Grand Ave was eliminated when a 'superblock' was created for a housing project in the 1950s or 60s. You can check out the original and current street grids at the NYCity Map site:"NYCityMap-DoITT " |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu May 28 12:42:35 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Lexington Ave. el, posted by qveensboro_plaza on Thu May 28 12:06:48 2020. Take a close look at that NYCityMap-DoITT map of Grand St, between Lafayette and Myrtle. The Grand St sections are offset and were originally built that way. The Lexington Ave el was built with that jog in mind to follow the offset. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu May 28 12:44:56 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Lexington Ave. el, posted by Elkeeper on Thu May 28 12:42:35 2020. Where was the building whose Lex Av el pillar went right through it and was recently removed ? |
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Posted by trains61 on Thu May 28 13:43:40 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Lexington Ave. el, posted by qveensboro_plaza on Thu May 28 12:06:48 2020. Slight correction, where the El went through those were always CO-OPs. The Housing Projects were further East(Across Classon Ave.) Which the 88th Precinct never let us forget. Looking at the link to the map shows why they called them Rhyerson Towers. Never knew there was a Rhyerson St. I took piano lessons and went to the dentist in Rhyerson Towers.I concur this is Lafayette Ave and Grand St. looking North towards Pratt. That appears to be the Pratt smoke stack in the background along with the water towers from the factorys along Dekalb Ave. Maybe Edwards or the guy that graduated from Pratt(forgot his handle) can confirm. Looking at Google Street views I see they built an entire apartment building where the old Dan`s supermarket stood. Wow, time doesn`t stand still for anyone... The Lurkers` Guild Bed-Stuy/Clinton Hill |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 28 14:03:45 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Lexington Ave. el, posted by Joe V on Thu May 28 12:44:56 2020. NE corner of Lexington and Grand. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu May 28 14:38:55 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Lexington Ave. el, posted by Elkeeper on Thu May 28 12:42:35 2020. I would guess that the guys who built the Lexington Avenue El never heard of "Airline" (i.e.straight line) railroading. That el had more twists and turn then a rattlesnake with arthritis. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by randyo on Thu May 28 14:40:08 2020, in response to [PHOTO] Lexington Ave. el, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu May 28 11:43:23 2020. Something interesting you will note is the presence of outside catwalks on the el. While Southern Div el structures had catwalks, most of the Eastern Div el structures did not. The Lex seems to be the exception since the few videos I have seen of it show catwalks all the way and you can clearly see catwalks in the photo. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu May 28 14:46:55 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Lexington Ave. el, posted by Elkeeper on Thu May 28 12:42:35 2020. Take a close look at that NYCityMap-DoITT map of Grand St, between Lafayette and Myrtle. The Grand St sections are offset and were originally built that way. The Lexington Ave el was built with that jog in mind to follow the offset.So that street where the el cars are is Lafayette Ave ? Google Satellite Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu May 28 15:43:27 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Lexington Ave. el, posted by qveensboro_plaza on Thu May 28 12:06:48 2020. Go back to the NYCitymap-DoITT and view the 1951 setting for Grand Ave & Lafayette St. The intersection there was offset and you can see the jog in the el structure from the aerial photo. Also, take notice of the remaining elevated line, itself, which remained above Grand Ave, between Greene and Myrtle, until the following year. |
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Posted by VictorM on Thu May 28 15:49:08 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Lexington Ave. el, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu May 28 14:46:55 2020. Yes. If you line up Grand north of Dekalb with Grand south of Lafayette there is a slight offset, which occurred at Lafayette when Grand ran through, necessitating the S-curve on the el. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu May 28 15:57:08 2020, in response to [PHOTO] Lexington Ave. el, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu May 28 11:43:23 2020. That curve is in here. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu May 28 16:21:30 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Lexington Ave. el, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu May 28 15:57:08 2020. Thanks for posting.Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu May 28 16:51:47 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Lexington Ave. el, posted by VictorM on Thu May 28 15:49:08 2020. Yes. If you line up Grand north of Dekalb with Grand south of Lafayette there is a slight offset, which occurred at Lafayette when Grand ran through, necessitating the S-curve on the el.Thank you Victor. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 28 17:13:51 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Lexington Ave. el, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu May 28 14:38:55 2020. And if you include the old Park Avenue El, the routing was particularly tortuous. |
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Posted by qveensboro_plaza on Thu May 28 17:34:20 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Lexington Ave. el, posted by trains61 on Thu May 28 13:43:40 2020. Slight correction, where the El went through those were always CO-OPs. The Housing Projects were further East(Across Classon Ave.)I did not mean to imply that this was a public or low income housing project. Whoever the developers were created a superblock by removing that stretch of Grand Avenue. I consider that type of development a housing project, just as I do Willoughby Walk between Myrtle and Willougby Aves. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu May 28 18:48:02 2020, in response to [PHOTO] Lexington Ave. el, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu May 28 11:43:23 2020.   Greene Ave. (ca. 1946)  Franklin Ave.  Reid Ave.  Unknown station - Anyone know which one ?  October 13, 1950 - End of the line for Brooklyn's oldest el. BU #1349 survives today and is preserved at Shoreline Trolley Museum.  End of an era at Bridge-Jay St. Nineteen years later, the Myrtle Ave el would become history too.  |
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Posted by Westcode44 on Thu May 28 18:55:40 2020, in response to [PHOTOS] Lexington Ave. el, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu May 28 18:48:02 2020. Awesome as ALWAYS--thanks for sharing these rare photos.WE-44 |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu May 28 19:21:53 2020, in response to [PHOTOS] Lexington Ave. el, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu May 28 18:48:02 2020. These are valuable, historic, excellent and simply awesome photos!Thank you so much for posting and sharing! Though I've seen a couple of these photos (and I think purchased a a couple from Walter Broschart at NY Div meetings in 1967 or 68), stations have never been identified - so the fact that you've researched locations is very welcomed. And Herman Rinke's rooftop shot - excellent! Rooftop shots were a favorite of Steve Zabels's so many years later when he took photos of IRT lines in the Bronx. I was around for the end of the Myrtle and Boston's Orange line el (north and south) in Boston, but was too young for this one - born in June 1950, this ended that October. And my Dad went into the service for Korea in early 1951 (the "doctor's draft" - he was a dentist). Once again, these are great!! Thank you, thank you, thank you!! |
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Posted by VictorM on Thu May 28 19:32:12 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Lexington Ave. el, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu May 28 16:51:47 2020. You're welcome. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu May 28 19:38:00 2020, in response to [PHOTOS] Lexington Ave. el, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu May 28 18:48:02 2020. Thanks Bill.I love this stuff. In the first photo notice the switch points on the track without a train are for a diverging right. Maybe a train just passed, but this closed switch would protect the train(from a collision) in the photo. Greene Ave runs all the way to Forest Ave in Queens to Fulton in "Downtown" Brooklyn. As a kid I always thought it ended at Broadway. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu May 28 20:23:17 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Lexington Ave. el, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu May 28 14:38:55 2020. Chicago's el structures made numerous twists and turns. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu May 28 20:35:49 2020, in response to [PHOTOS] Lexington Ave. el, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu May 28 18:48:02 2020. I wonder if the late Karl B is in that next-to-last photo. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu May 28 20:42:58 2020, in response to [PHOTOS] Lexington Ave. el, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu May 28 18:48:02 2020. Great photos!Thank you for posting! |
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Posted by randyo on Fri May 29 01:38:40 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Lexington Ave. el, posted by LuchAAA on Thu May 28 19:38:00 2020. It’s pretty standard in a situation like that to have both switches set for the diverging route in the unlikely even that a M/M on that tk ran the home signal. If the switch were set in the normal position then a train running the home ball protecting the interlocking could “T bone” the train coming off Lex even though it would be slowed down due to being tripped. With both switches set to the reverse (diverging) position A train running the homeball would switch to the diverging route avoiding a collision. Any place where there is an at grade junction will function the same way. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Fri May 29 01:46:03 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Lexington Ave. el, posted by LuchAAA on Thu May 28 19:38:00 2020. A similar situation exists at the LIRR Valley interlocking in Valley Stream. When the turnout is set to allow a westbound train to enter the station from the Far Rockaway branch the turnout on the eastbound side is set to diverge the same way as well. I have never seen it set straight through to the Long Beach branch in that situation. The interlocking was installed in 1933 when the station was placed on an elevated structure replacing the original ground level station farther east. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri May 29 02:01:57 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Lexington Ave. el, posted by randyo on Fri May 29 01:38:40 2020. Yes. I never knew that as a kid.2 and 3 lines 135th north of station homeball is "point of no return". Either go to Bronx or Lenox. A northbound 3 waiting at the red homeball while a southbound 2 crosses, will notice the switch points are set to go to the Bronx. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Fri May 29 02:12:44 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Lexington Ave. el, posted by randyo on Fri May 29 01:38:40 2020. Is there a similar arrangement for the Myrtle Avenue/Broadway elevated station of the J, M and Z lines?Mike |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri May 29 03:53:55 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Lexington Ave. el, posted by Michael549 on Fri May 29 02:12:44 2020. That interlocking is far more complicated.See my example IRT Broadway northbound north of 135. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri May 29 08:55:56 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Lexington Ave. el, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu May 28 20:35:49 2020. I wonder if the late Karl B is in that next-to-last photo. Tuscarora Almanac - October 13, 1950 - The Book of Last Runs Brooklyn, New York New York City Board of Transportation BMT Division In Memory of our good friend Karl B The last train ran today on Brooklyn’s oldest elevated line. It was a # 12 Lexington Avenue Local and the consist was six BU Gate Cars; 1349, 1398,1375,1379,1367 and 1395. Sources: Mr. Karl B and the Advertiser Digest of 10/19/1950 Source: New York Division Bulletin / June 1992 Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri May 29 09:50:22 2020, in response to [PHOTOS] Lexington Ave. el, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu May 28 18:48:02 2020. Awesome pics!!! I also noticed that in the Reid Ave picture, some buildings have TV antennas!!! A fairly big deal in 1950... |
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Posted by randyo on Fri May 29 14:14:19 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Lexington Ave. el, posted by LuchAAA on Fri May 29 03:53:55 2020. It may be more complicated but it’s similar. |
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Posted by zac on Fri May 29 19:17:58 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Lexington Ave. el, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu May 28 16:21:30 2020. At around 13:30 or so. |
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Posted by jan k. lorenzen on Fri May 29 19:56:25 2020, in response to [PHOTOS] Lexington Ave. el, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu May 28 18:48:02 2020. Thanks for posting these! The top pic I'd never seen before. Looking over my old haunts in the late 70's through the early 90's and then on and off for years thereafter. |
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Posted by jan k. lorenzen on Fri May 29 20:00:20 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Lexington Ave. el, posted by VictorM on Thu May 28 15:49:08 2020. Similarly there is a jog in Franklin Ave. at Lafayette. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri May 29 20:04:33 2020, in response to [PHOTOS] Lexington Ave. el, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu May 28 18:48:02 2020. Anyone find out what station that was with those kids on the platform? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 29 20:06:05 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Lexington Ave. el, posted by jan k. lorenzen on Fri May 29 20:00:20 2020. And in the lesser known St. James Place (one block east of Washington Avenue). |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri May 29 20:25:19 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Lexington Ave. el, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri May 29 08:55:56 2020. Karl would have been 14 then. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat May 30 02:18:22 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Lexington Ave. el, posted by MainR3664 on Fri May 29 09:50:22 2020. Wow! Sharp eyes! Good catch! |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat May 30 06:44:31 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Lexington Ave. el, posted by jan k. lorenzen on Fri May 29 19:56:25 2020. Thanks for posting these! The top pic I'd never seen before. Looking over my old haunts in the late 70's through the early 90's and then on and off for years thereafter.Thank you, that top pic was scanned from a snapshot ! Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat May 30 06:46:13 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Lexington Ave. el, posted by Elkeeper on Fri May 29 20:04:33 2020. Anyone find out what station that was with those kids on the platform?Not yet. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by zac on Sat May 30 09:16:05 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Lexington Ave. el, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat May 30 06:46:13 2020. This sounds like a bike ride down Lexington and Grand to find out. I'm always looking for a reason to go somewhere. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat May 30 10:03:00 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Lexington Ave. el, posted by zac on Sat May 30 09:16:05 2020. This sounds like a bike ride down Lexington and Grand to find out. I'm always looking for a reason to go somewhere.Good luck if finding any of those old buildings still standing. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by zac on Sat May 30 12:00:14 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Lexington Ave. el, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat May 30 10:03:00 2020. Just got back, and nope. I'd say about 75% of buildings along there are newer than 1940. Most of the old ones are gone on Lex but not the surrounding streets. |
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Posted by jailhousedoc on Sat May 30 12:44:57 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Lexington Ave. el, posted by zac on Sat May 30 12:00:14 2020. I was a little child living in that neighborhood in the 1950's and I did see how Grand Ave. abruptly narrowed past Lexington and how Lexington Ave. was wide going towards Broadway. Evidence of the right of way can be seen in the width of the streets. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Sat May 30 12:56:48 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Lexington Ave. el, posted by MainR3664 on Fri May 29 09:50:22 2020. You couldn't get signals any other way. With the early TV sets indoor antennas usually didn't work too well. Today I live just outside the city and have a very inexpensive antenna in my attic and I pick up all the local stations in HD. In those days television sets were expensive and needed frequent repair as the tubes would fail over time. We used to fix things rather than just throw them away and they were all made in USA. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat May 30 13:19:39 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Lexington Ave. el, posted by murray1575 on Sat May 30 12:56:48 2020. I remember the plug-in tube testers at the hardware store. My father would have to pull all of the tubes out, drive to the store, and plug in the tubes until he found the bad one. Buy a new tube, then back home, replace the tubes, and hope the set would work when he turned it on! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat May 30 13:50:14 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Lexington Ave. el, posted by Elkeeper on Sat May 30 13:19:39 2020. I remember that, too. It was an annual ritual to pull the tubes out, including the high voltage rectifier tube, and testing them. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sat May 30 13:58:46 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Lexington Ave. el, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat May 30 13:50:14 2020. Same here!! The tube-tester ruled!! |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat May 30 14:44:49 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Lexington Ave. el, posted by Elkeeper on Sat May 30 13:19:39 2020.  
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