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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jan 22 08:17:27 2020 All trains-all stops |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Jan 22 10:17:15 2020, in response to SEPTA - MFSE all stops, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jan 22 08:17:27 2020. Do you know why the order was issued?For some reason I thought skip-stop ended years ago. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jan 22 10:33:30 2020, in response to Re: SEPTA - MFSE all stops, posted by SLRT on Wed Jan 22 10:17:15 2020. I do not know why the order was issued.Here is the current skip-stop pattern that will go away.MFSE schedule All trains will now be all stops,no more A-B service. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jan 22 12:19:29 2020, in response to Re: SEPTA - MFSE all stops, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jan 22 10:33:30 2020. another middle finger to riders. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jan 22 21:58:14 2020, in response to Re: SEPTA - MFSE all stops, posted by SLRT on Wed Jan 22 10:17:15 2020. It looks like there's only 3 "pairs" of skip-stops, one on the west end of the line and two on the east end (so the most a typical commuter would reasonably skip is 2 stops). I'm guessing it was only kept around for operational purposes (maybe it saved one train/crew over the rush hours?). |
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Posted by X-Astorian on Wed Jan 22 23:20:47 2020, in response to Re: SEPTA - MFSE all stops, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jan 22 21:58:14 2020. It looks like there's only 3 "pairs" of skip-stops, one on the west end of the line and two on the east end (so the most a typical commuter would reasonably skip is 2 stops).Actually, it's three pairs going to Frankford - Berks (A), York-Dauphin (B), Huntingdon (A), Somerset (B), Tioga (A) and Church (B). But, as you write, even skipping three stops is not saving much time. As recently as 1983 there were still two pairs in West Philadelphia and four on the way to Frankford. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Jan 23 08:27:54 2020, in response to Re: SEPTA - MFSE all stops, posted by X-Astorian on Wed Jan 22 23:20:47 2020. I think they dropped the second pair in West Philly, which included 40th St as an A stop, sometime in the late 90's. It was all a result of the neighborhoods becoming better. |
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Posted by X-Astorian on Thu Jan 23 09:32:32 2020, in response to Re: SEPTA - MFSE all stops, posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Jan 23 08:27:54 2020. Same thing Frankford-bound when 2nd and Spring Garden became all-stop stations. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Jan 23 13:19:43 2020, in response to SEPTA - MFSE all stops, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jan 22 08:17:27 2020. For f's sake, what a nightmare. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jan 26 03:01:04 2020, in response to Re: SEPTA - MFSE all stops, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jan 22 12:19:29 2020. Probably more like increased ridership where one has to take a train to a stop where no trains are skipped and then switch to a train that makes the stop the first train skips.Not surprising, much of the area along the northern portion of the line is being built up in ways not seen in years and the skip-stop service at this point is likely more of a detriment than a help. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jan 26 03:04:59 2020, in response to Re: SEPTA - MFSE all stops, posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Jan 23 08:27:54 2020. Actually, the (A) stop was 34th and the (B) stop was 46th (40th was never a skip-stop). That was dropped a lot earlier than the mid-'90s likely at the insistence of Penn and Drexel, as 34th is a major stop on that line now in ways it wasn't as late as the mid-'80s.The northeast part has had three pairs of skip-stops. Those areas are now in the process of being built up for the first time in many years and I suspect there was pressure to remove the skip-stops altogether. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jan 26 03:06:28 2020, in response to Re: SEPTA - MFSE all stops, posted by X-Astorian on Thu Jan 23 09:32:32 2020. As those areas were among the first to get built up.Now, the rest of the area surrounding the MFL, long since neglected is starting to get built up in ways not seen in years. |
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Posted by George Foelschow on Sun Jan 26 15:07:26 2020, in response to SEPTA - MFSE all stops, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jan 22 08:17:27 2020. Successful skip-stop operation depends on frequent service. If "A" is here, can "B" be far behind, and, conversely, if "B" is here, can "A" be far behind. In Chicago on Ravenswood in the shoulder period of rush hour, six-car 4000s ran at seven-minute intervals in skip-stops, followed by two-car 6000s at five-minute intervals as all-stops. It was annoying to wait a quarter-hour for a "B" train. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Jan 26 17:32:47 2020, in response to Re: SEPTA - MFSE all stops, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jan 26 03:01:04 2020. skip stop works if and only if headways are short. CTA scrapped skip stop not because it wasn't serving riders, but they were in a budget squeeze, so all stop was implemented so that elongated headways were less painful. |
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Posted by Joe on Sun Jan 26 21:29:27 2020, in response to SEPTA - MFSE all stops, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jan 22 08:17:27 2020. At least once a year from 1944 to 1954 treated me to a day in Philly, so I recall when the city was crowded with industry and jobs. Your news that MFSE stations are experiencing greater patronage is welcome. In the 1970's I did not imagine a comeback in Brooklyn, Philly, or Jersey City. I suspect there are still abandoned factories around Wyoming Avenue. |
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