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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Sep 21 06:56:17 2019 Tuscarora Almanac – September 21, 1919 – The Book of First and Last Runs Manhattan, New York New York Railways Service comes to an end on four crosstown trolley lines operated by New York Railways; No. 1 Avenue C, No. 11 Sixth Avenue – Ferry, No. 12 Madison & Chambers Streets and No. 14 Spring & Delancey Street. Bus service begins on the same day Here is the full story. New York Railways which was in bankruptcy received permission to discontinue four low ridership storage battery lines. Mayor Hylan instructed the Department of Plants and Structures (which also controlled the city’s bridges and ferries) to issue permits to independent bus operators on routes authorized by the city. Permits were issued for three of the four routes: No. 1 Madison & Chambers Streets, No. 2 Spring & Delancey Streets and No. 3 Avenue C. Bus service began on Sunday, September 21, 1919, the same day that the streetcar service ended. This event marks the beginning of the city operated bus system that we have today. DP&S Route 1 Madison & Chambers Street Crosstown eventually became the M-1 and in 1974 was re-numbered to M-22. This route is still in service (2016). DP&S Route 2 Spring & Delancey Streets was designated Route 12 in 1936 and M-12 in 1974. It was discontinued on October 26, 1979. DP&S Route 3 Avenue C is better described as the Houston Street – Avenue C Crosstown. It became the M-10 in 1929 when the Hamilton Bus Corporation took over its operation. It became Route 21 in 1940 when New York City Omnibus replaced Hamilton. Probably in 1974 in became known as the M-21. Effective on June 27, 2010 it was split into two separate routes. The M-9 Avenue C bus runs between 29th Street and City Hall via Avenue C, Essex Street and Park Row. The M-21 Houston Street Crosstown runs between Washington Street and the FDR Drive. Note 1: New York Railways cars did not carry route numbers. They did show the numbers on paper transfers and these are the ones that I have used. Note 2: The routes authorized by the DP&S were assigned numbers in the order of creation regardless of where the buses operated. They were not carried on the buses. Later when the Board of Transportation took over this function they began the use of borough prefixes. Sources: 1) “Old New York”, Motor Coach Age January – June 2013, article by Mr. Eli Bail. 2) New York Division Bulletin / various issues, article by Mr. Bernard Linder 3) “From a Nickel to a Token” (Fordham University Press /2015) by Mr. Andrew J. Sparberg 4) My collections of Manhattan Bus Maps. Tuscarora Almanac – September 21, 1930 – The Book of Last Runs Manhattan, New York Third Avenue Railway Company The Third Avenue Railway Company discontinues service on the 110th Street streetcar line. This route began as a horse car line in 1885. The horse cars ran between the Fort Lee Ferry and First Avenue. The route was converted to battery cars in 1910. Source: New York Division Bulletin /July 2002, article by Mr. Bernard Linder Tuscarora Almanac – September 21, 1947 – The Book of Last Runs Lancaster, Pennsylvania Conestoga Transportation Company This will be the last day of streetcar service in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. The Conestoga Transportation Company discontinues service on 7th Ward Line, Ephrata Interurban Line and the Rocky Springs Park Line. Rocky Springs was home to the Rocky Springs Amusement Park and the trolleys ran until the last day of their season. Due to the heavy summer traffic the Rocky Springs Line was double tracked and peak summer service required twenty cars. The Park remained in operation until 1966. Source: “Pennsylvania Trolleys in Color”, Volume 1, (Morning Sun Books /1997) by Mr. William D. Volkmer Tuscarora Almanac – September 21, 1959 – The Book of First Runs New York City Transit Authority BMT Division IRT Lo-V motors begin service on the No. 7 Franklin Avenue Shuttle. Occasionally they are used in through service to Brighton Beach. They have had flanges added to the car bodies to bridge the gap at station platforms. Source: New York Division Bulletin /October 1966, article by Mr. Bernard Linder Tuscarora Almanac – September 21, 1960 – The Book of Last Runs Jersey City, New Jersey Erie Railroad New York, Susquehanna & Western Railroad The Erie Railroad closes the Pavonia Avenue Terminal in Jersey City. The only remaining services were the eight weekday trains of the Susquehanna Railroad. These were cut back to Susquehanna Transfer. Source: “Susquehanna Trackside 1954-1968” (Morning Sun Books / 2014) by Walter E. Zullig, Jr. Tuscarora Almanac – September 21, 1981 – The Book of Car Assignments New York City Transit Authority Division B A – 130 R-40 / 176 R-44 AA/B – 56 R-38 / 104 R-40 / 96 R-42 CC – 208 R-10 D – 40 R-32 / 100 R-38 / 180 R-40M/42 E – 30 R-32 / 8- R-44 / 168 R-46 F – 40 R-32 / 280 R-46 GG – 77 R-10 J – 80 R-16 / 32 R-27/30 / 32 R-42 LL 104 R-27/30 / 24 R-42 M/QB – 176 R-27/30 / 24 R-42 N – 272 R-32 RR – 128 R-27/30 / 104 R-32 / 64 R-42 JFK – 21 R-46 SS (FRANKLIN) – 12 R-27/30 Source: New York Division Bulletin / March 1982 Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 21 10:11:23 2019, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for September 21, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Sep 21 06:56:17 2019. Either there were a lot of spare R-10s, or some may have already been scrapped. I'm surprised there were a few R-32 trainsets on the Ethel and Fred lines and no more R-10s. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 21 |
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Posted by W.B. on Sat Sep 21 11:59:10 2019, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for September 21, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Sep 21 06:56:17 2019. The M- prefices for M12 and M21 would have taken hold with the arrival of the first of MaBSTOA's GMC T6H-5309A's in January 1973, though it wasn't until the 1974 route numbering changes (including of M-1 Madison-Chambers to M22) that they became official.As for TARS' discontinuance of the 110th Street streetcar line in 1930, it would no doubt have made FACCo's 2, 3 and 4 routes which traversed through 110th Street all the more important (despite this service change taking place in the Depression) . . . |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Sep 21 12:02:10 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 21, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 21 10:11:23 2019. And the GG ran the R-10 cars in 5 car sets . Every once in a while, there would be an odd R-32 or R-46 4 car set. I remember correctly, by the end of 1985, all the 10s were gone from the GG. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sat Sep 21 13:31:48 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 21, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Sep 21 12:02:10 2019. There were still a lot of spare R-10's, and in some cases they could turn up on the "A" as well. To whit, here is an image from 1982 of them in the Rockaways, although they had seen better days before.R-10 #3183, 44th Street-Frank Avenue, IND Rockaway Line ("A" service), 5/1/1982. The first stage of scrapping (or car surge disposal) would begin a year later, with at least 60 cars being to retirement and for good. Yeah, the R-10's stayed om the "GG" until 1985, after a seven year run on that route. -William A. Padron ["Mott Av.-Far Rockaway"] |
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Posted by italianguyinsi on Sat Sep 21 16:37:56 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 21, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 21 10:11:23 2019. Do not remember 38s on the David. That was all R40M at that time period. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Sep 21 18:15:41 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 21, posted by italianguyinsi on Sat Sep 21 16:37:56 2019. Do not remember 38s on the David. That was all R40M at that time period. This was 1981. There was a set of cars nominally assigned to each line. However the overall car fleet was in such bad shape that the dispatchers ran whatever they could lay their hands on. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 21 |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 21 20:55:26 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 21, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Sep 21 18:15:41 2019. Exactly.I do remember the 38s on the D.. but around that time,they were mostly in B service. The A,B,CC/AA were swapping fleets like crazy back then. Just like the J and LL using each other's fleets. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 21 |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Sep 21 21:59:21 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 21, posted by William A. Padron on Sat Sep 21 13:31:48 2019. Is that date confirmed correct? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 21 23:57:33 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 21, posted by William A. Padron on Sat Sep 21 13:31:48 2019. Back where they belong - briefly, anyway. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 21 23:58:51 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 21, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Sep 21 18:15:41 2019. The show must go on! |
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Posted by Bzuck on Sun Sep 22 08:46:16 2019, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for September 21, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Sep 21 06:56:17 2019. Kind of strange seeing one lone R44 on the E. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 21 |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Sep 22 12:54:27 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 21, posted by William A. Padron on Sat Sep 21 13:31:48 2019. Yeah. When I was in both HS and college, I had to transfer from the BMT downstairs to 4th Avenue, and I was pissed that the R10s left the GG, being replaced by the 32s and 46s by 1986 |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 21 |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Sep 22 13:07:52 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 21, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Sep 21 12:02:10 2019. I certainly remember the R46 on the G in 6 car sets..along with the R for a short period of time.However,the G kept it's six car trains until the V train came along in December of 2001. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 21 |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sun Sep 22 13:33:55 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 21, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Sep 21 21:59:21 2019. If it was on the slide mount, I would have to say yes, because on the date of the 50th Anniversary of the IND (Friday, September 10, 1982), I remember actually riding an R-10 set on a northbound "A" run going up to 207th Street during the evening rush hour.According to one eyewitness account, it was up to around as late to February 1983 that an R-10 set was still seen on the "A". And then, the first round of car purges started in Spring 1983. -William A. Padron {"Wash.Hts.-8th Av.Exp."] |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 21 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Sep 22 13:43:03 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 21, posted by William A. Padron on Sun Sep 22 13:33:55 2019. In any event, that R-10 trainset was where it belonged - on the line it will forever be associated with. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 21 |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Sep 22 18:12:52 2019, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for September 21, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Sep 21 06:56:17 2019. There also seem to the some missing R40s (assuming that by "R40" we mean slants). Weren't there 300 Slants? I see 130 of them on the A and 104 on the AA/B. Doesn't that leave out 66 of them? Surely not that many of them were wrecked or totally out of service then, were they?I note that the R40Ms are distinctly shown as on the D at the time, which is why I think the Slants are the 40s...no? |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 21 |
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Posted by Bzuck on Sun Sep 22 20:12:42 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 21, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Sep 22 18:12:52 2019. These numbers are cars required for service. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 23 02:21:14 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 21, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Sep 21 12:02:10 2019. When I was a trainmaster in the early 1980s, the official consist on the GG was 8 car trains of R-10s but often we would have to cheat and run 7 car trains in order to make “full” service |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 21 |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Sep 23 07:30:46 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 21, posted by Bzuck on Sun Sep 22 20:12:42 2019. Ok, got it. Thanks. |
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