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Posted by G1Ravage on Wed Aug 21 15:35:53 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by IRT/O on Tue Aug 20 13:35:01 2019. Yes. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Wed Aug 21 15:39:16 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Aug 21 13:46:00 2019. I would kill for a 10x4 schedule right now, but it's not as good for the operating crews. You would need more employees to cover the additional day off. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 21 16:33:33 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Aug 21 15:32:20 2019. Yes. There has been for decades among many hourly workers a cult of overtime for various reasons. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Aug 21 16:38:18 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Aug 21 15:39:16 2019. It would be great if NYC ran weekday service Monday through Thursday with weekend Friday through Sunday.It would inspire corporations to do the same for the work week and have profound impact on the entire nation who would do the same. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Aug 21 17:06:46 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Aug 20 17:16:02 2019. However, while the MTA does make contributions to the pension fund it is the NYC Employee Retirement System (NYCERS) that actually make the payments to the retirees. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Aug 21 17:08:08 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Aug 21 08:06:12 2019. That’s definitely true for T/O and C/R runs, but Tw/O and T/D jobs have to be able to fit evenly into a 24 hr period. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Aug 21 17:10:49 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by randyo on Wed Aug 21 17:06:46 2019. The MTA pension really overall has not much to do with NYC Employee retirement system as its a state agency |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Aug 21 17:18:13 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Aug 20 18:32:20 2019. The problem with insisting on OT coming in only after 40 hrs is that it would be more difficult to calculate the allowed time for each individual run. It would then be up to the timekeeping office to have to figure out how to pay an employee whose time does go over 40 hrs at the end of the work week. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Aug 21 17:25:38 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by Jsun21 on Tue Aug 20 22:54:03 2019. That’s correct but some employees look for even more OT by working their RDOs. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Aug 21 17:28:55 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Aug 21 07:55:27 2019. 3 x 12 hr days would probably work especially for jobs whose hors have to be able to be divided into 24 like Tw/Os and supervision. |
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Posted by IRT/O on Wed Aug 21 17:42:53 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Aug 21 17:10:49 2019. MTA Bridge and Tunnels (TBTA) and NYCT (NYCTA) have NYCERS pensions. They are still the property of the City of New York. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Aug 21 17:58:40 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by randyo on Wed Aug 21 17:25:38 2019. I knew a SEPTA , (Former PTC ), bus operator ,who worked 7 days a week. On his Mon-Fri trick, he had a swing, instead of sitting at the depot, the dispatcher would give him a piece of work.On his RDO, he worked 2 runs day , or 3 pieces of work a day . He was the highest grossing $$$ operator in the system for many years, with all that OT money. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Aug 21 21:23:56 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by randyo on Wed Aug 21 17:28:55 2019. OTOH, 12 hours on duty means the last couple are not always as alert andsafe as the 8 are--or atleast could be. Fifty years ago mainline RR crewscould work 16 hour shifts. Not a sane lifestyle. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Aug 21 21:28:11 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by randyo on Wed Aug 21 17:18:13 2019. with the electronic abacuses,it is not difficult |
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Posted by Rainman89 on Thu Aug 22 02:33:55 2019, in response to OT after 40hrs, posted by IRT/O on Tue Aug 20 09:02:50 2019. To those people against the OT after 40 hrs either way u still get your OT in the end , i would love to work 10 hours a day 4 days a week and have 3 days off to enjoy life. Why would you like to work 5 days a week when you can knock out the 40 hrs in 4 days. My 2 days off is never enough to catch up my personal things, hobby, house stuff and errands, i feel today we need 3 days off. One day is to do house cleaning ,laudry etc. 2nd day do out door errands food shopping etc... And 3rd day is to relax at home watch TV , do personal things ,computers, or enjoy ur hobby and sleep longer hours , and for those people love to work so much relie OT extra income on one of yours 3 days off you still have the other 2 days off to do things. I'm in favorite on 4 days work week ! |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Aug 22 05:38:42 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by Rainman89 on Thu Aug 22 02:33:55 2019. Everybody's situation is different. In many cases, one spouse needs to be home when the other goes to work, or pick up an drop off at school is a factor. It may be a sec ond job or helping to care for an elderly or infirm parent. Lots of reasons why one situation may work for one person and not another.Remember,the OT after 40 is not the same as OT after * in the scenario you present, 4X10 is 0 OT whereas it would be 32+8 with an 8 hour day scale. It is a cut in pay. |
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Posted by Jeromeline on Thu Aug 22 09:49:18 2019, in response to OT after 40hrs, posted by IRT/O on Tue Aug 20 09:02:50 2019. Depending on how they plan on implementing it, it could end Boost time, and most likely will end up with crews doing more trips in "less time".Take those jobs that may have 30 mins boost time at the end to bring the pay up to the 8hrs. a day, take that away and now your work week is 37.5 hours and if you work an RDO your OT Bonus doesn't start until you work 2.5 hours. If they go to a 4x10 work week they'd be able to get 4 trips a day on the 1 line as opposed to the 3 trips in the current 8 hour day. 4 x 4 = 16 vs. the current 3 x 5 = 15. One more trip for you to work in one less day of work, plus there is no guarantee that the 3 days off would be consecutive since the current contract only calls for two consecutive days off. |
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Posted by Pragmatist on Thu Aug 22 10:04:14 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by Jeromeline on Thu Aug 22 09:49:18 2019. Obviously, changing what the current contract calls for would be a subject of the negotiations. Nobody is going to change anything unilaterally. Any changes will either be negotiated or awarded in arbitration. That is the law in NYS. All else is an exercise in speculation. |
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Posted by Fine, Howard, and Fine on Thu Aug 22 10:19:23 2019, in response to OT after 40hrs, posted by IRT/O on Tue Aug 20 09:02:50 2019. 103 years ago:"In accordance with the dictates of humanity, [we] insist upon an eight hour day for the railroads" "you put forth your strongest efforts against the enactment of any law imposing upon the workers of America involuntary servitude even for one hour" In the 1930's the Fair Labor Standards Act, established an eight hour day and a forty hour week. 
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Posted by Jeromeline on Thu Aug 22 10:54:32 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by Pragmatist on Thu Aug 22 10:04:14 2019. Unfortunately when it comes to RTO they are the "red headed stepchild" and get the short end of the stick when it comes to negotiations. Plenty of times RTO has been the sacrificial lamb so that other depts can get their goodies. Of course RTO has some culpability in this as they barely reach 30% in casting votes in union elections. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Aug 22 12:16:23 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by pragmatist on Thu Aug 22 05:38:42 2019. It is a cut in pay.It is a cut in pay because the rule of OT after 8 on a daily basis is more generous than almost all American employers offer. So the MTA is trying to become more typical. |
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Posted by IRT/O on Thu Aug 22 13:42:08 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by Fine, Howard, and Fine on Thu Aug 22 10:19:23 2019. Amen! |
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Posted by Pragmatist on Thu Aug 22 13:44:57 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by AlM on Thu Aug 22 12:16:23 2019. It is cut in pay because it takes something away, not because other workers agree to work for less. If the typical American worker is being shortchanged, that is not a reason to consider it a positive. |
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Posted by IRT/O on Thu Aug 22 13:46:56 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by Jeromeline on Thu Aug 22 09:49:18 2019. Reading the fine print it says not including run pay. So scheduled overtime will pay the same. BUT they are asking to allow some part time work for those who request it for family reasons. So if your extra three days a week and pick up penalty jobs you only get straight time. I don’t think the TWU should allow part time work at all. |
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Posted by Jeromeline on Thu Aug 22 14:29:20 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by IRT/O on Thu Aug 22 13:46:56 2019. If TA is asking for part time workers and OT after 40 hours in a week, you know damned well that the work program will be made so that it will be mostly "part time" runs and nearly impossible to get to the 40 hours to start earning OT.Unfortunately, there are so many new employees that they don't realize that TA is working on a the contracts after this current one they are negotiating and looking at the long term while the union works contract to contract due to the fickleness of the union membership and the constant change of leadership. |
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Posted by Brightonr68 on Thu Aug 22 16:49:53 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by IRT/O on Wed Aug 21 08:52:17 2019. The demand has more to do with the game that is played over at the LIRR. You work Monday , call in sick Tuesday so someone needs to work extra hours which makes the second employees ineligible to work Wednesday due to not getting enough rest . The employee that worked Monday and called in sick Tuesday then needs to work extra hours to cover the employee on mandatory rest . Both did not work the 5 shifts a week both collected time and a half .Work 40 before overtime , neither employee would have gotten time and a half because neither worked 40 hours . If they work the extra hours they get the sick day back or it’s not at time and a half . The game described above was outlined in one of the if overtime probes . my buddy pulls this crap at one of the major trade union . A couple of guys pull this crap all the time. A few bad actors may lead to honest workers taking a hit . Always happens eventually. |
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Posted by IRT/O on Thu Aug 22 17:20:54 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by Brightonr68 on Thu Aug 22 16:49:53 2019. Oh thank you! That explains it. It doesn’t seem like they (the media and management) used to lump all the MTA workers together. I’m concerned about TWU going to the mat for LIRR. Doesn’t seem like there’s a whole lot of sympathy for them within local100 ranks. |
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Posted by Jeromeline on Thu Aug 22 20:41:30 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by Brightonr68 on Thu Aug 22 16:49:53 2019. In NYCT if you book off 3 days of the week and work your RDo you only get paid the run pay for that RDO.The problem right now in RTO is that there is a shortage of personnel, between retirements, discipline actions, medical restrictions on any given day there can be up to 10 open jobs on a tour on a line that TD's scramble to get covered. |
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Posted by Rainman89 on Fri Aug 23 02:35:50 2019, in response to OT after 40hrs, posted by IRT/O on Tue Aug 20 09:02:50 2019. In order to make this work. they have to set up 3 kind of rdo working 10 hrs a day , 33% of work force will have Sunday Monday Tuesday off , 33% will get Thursday Friday Saturday off, 33% will get Sunday Wednesday Saturday off to balance out since there us less train running on weekends that leave 1% workers will work one of there 3 days off as OT to cover the remaining jobs open during the weeks. This is just an example on the math . I heard FDNY fireman work 4 days and off 3 days on similar schedule like i just explain and they happen about it with 3 days off every weeks . So why not give it a try see it work. PLus If the worker call in sick or taking a vacation day off that Will be 10hrs pay , no more 8 hrs paid, since the 10 will be the new required hrs to work. |
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Posted by Fine, Howard, and Fine on Fri Aug 23 14:42:21 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by Jeromeline on Thu Aug 22 20:41:30 2019. I agree there has been a systemic failure to properly staff RTO. And it's ridiculous to expect the employees to lose OT as a result of the Authority failing to staff properly. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Aug 23 15:02:23 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by Fine, Howard, and Fine on Fri Aug 23 14:42:21 2019. Actually, a well run Transit Authority would have enough employees so that none would need overtime, or very little overtime. Yes the company must pay overtime with certain jobs, and when there is FUBAR on the tracks.I'd rather give crews a full day's pay for their schedule even it it was only six or seven hours a day than to pay unnecessary overtime. Obviously, those would be bid out to the more senior employees. Some jobs would include overtime, and these would be paid their overtime, and again likely go to more senior employees. ROAR |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Aug 23 17:41:45 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Aug 23 15:02:23 2019. stick to praying you know shit about transit or railroad jobs . |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Fri Aug 23 20:21:26 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Aug 23 17:41:45 2019. LOL! |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Aug 24 07:58:12 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Aug 23 17:41:45 2019. True... And does the TA or the railroad know anything about transit jobs? Get an honest day's pay for an honest day's work.ROAR |
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Posted by FtgreeneG on Sun Aug 25 03:26:17 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Aug 20 10:00:36 2019. The 10 hr 4 day a week idea was thrown out there for Work Train (Div C) last yr. Never went anywhere no one wanted that. I would think unless they hired way more employees it would exacerbate the staff shortage resulting in more ppl working RDO's anyway likely making the OT issue even worse imo. |
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