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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Aug 11 11:17:03 2019
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Posted by TransitChuckG* on Sun Aug 11 11:29:29 2019, in response to 9 Av, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Aug 11 11:17:03 2019.* A really bad looking place. Is that being repaired?
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Posted by SLRT* on Sun Aug 11 11:29:44 2019, in response to 9 Av, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Aug 11 11:17:03 2019.* Haunted subway tunnel.
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Posted by SLRT* on Sun Aug 11 11:29:49 2019, in response to 9 Av, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Aug 11 11:17:03 2019.* Haunted subway tunnel.
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Posted by SLRT* on Sun Aug 11 11:31:07 2019, in response to Re: 9 Av, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Aug 11 11:29:29 2019.* No, it's out of use, except for yard movements.
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Posted by AlM* on Sun Aug 11 11:47:45 2019, in response to 9 Av, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Aug 11 11:17:03 2019.* In before Mitch.
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Posted by Joe V* on Sun Aug 11 11:48:21 2019, in response to Re: 9 Av, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Aug 11 11:29:29 2019.* It would take a lot to bring it back, such as for a terminal for the W or a future Nassau Street service.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sun Aug 11 12:22:44 2019, in response to Re: 9 Av, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Aug 11 11:29:29 2019.* Not until the coming of Moshiach.
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Posted by Michael549* on Sun Aug 11 12:40:23 2019, in response to Re: 9 Av, posted by Joe V on Sun Aug 11 11:48:21 2019.* Considering that the upper level for the D train is used for terminating trains, how would the lower level get renovated? Plus if I reading the available track maps correctly, the lower level does really offer that much extra capability. Now if all tracks on the lower level could be terminating tracks to return trains to Manhattan, that would be different. Mike
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Posted by Joe V* on Sun Aug 11 12:51:46 2019, in response to Re: 9 Av, posted by Michael549 on Sun Aug 11 12:40:23 2019.* They only have the middle track / upper level of 9th Avenue. Lower level would give them more.
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Posted by Mitch45* on Sun Aug 11 13:36:41 2019, in response to Re: 9 Av, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Aug 11 12:22:44 2019.* There is a Medrash that says that when Moshiach arrives the Cinder Block wall will fall and all questions will finally be answered.
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Posted by SLRT* on Sun Aug 11 13:50:25 2019, in response to Re: 9 Av, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Aug 11 12:22:44 2019.* Optimist.
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Posted by MainR3664* on Sun Aug 11 16:14:32 2019, in response to Re: 9 Av, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Aug 11 13:36:41 2019.* Tunnelrat's wall at (censored) Street?
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Posted by Michael549* on Sun Aug 11 17:02:46 2019, in response to Re: 9 Av, posted by Joe V on Sun Aug 11 11:48:21 2019.* Considering that the upper level for the D train is used for terminating trains, how would the lower level get renovated? Plus if I reading the available track maps correctly, the lower level does really offer that much extra capability. Now if all tracks on the lower level could be terminating tracks to return trains to Manhattan, that would be different. Mike
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Posted by Union Tpke* on Sun Aug 11 17:26:26 2019, in response to 9 Av, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Aug 11 11:17:03 2019.* I hope that the fasts of my fellow Jewish subchatters go well. Mine has gone okay so far.
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Posted by Wallyhorse* on Mon Aug 12 00:11:59 2019, in response to Re: 9 Av, posted by Joe V on Sun Aug 11 12:51:46 2019.* And that might make it worth renovating, even if such is a barebones renovation to get everything up to snuff to use as a terminal, especially if it can be done where such can be used when conditions close the outdoor platforms.
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Posted by Mitch45* on Mon Aug 12 01:51:43 2019, in response to Re: 9 Av, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Aug 11 16:14:32 2019.* The same!!
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Posted by randyo* on Mon Aug 12 03:06:28 2019, in response to Re: 9 Av, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Aug 12 00:11:59 2019.* Why would the outdoor platforms be closed since they need to be in use for through service. Even if rehabbed, the lower level could only be used as a terminal and not for through service.
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Posted by ntrainride* on Mon Aug 12 06:15:15 2019, in response to Re: 9 Av, posted by Union Tpke on Sun Aug 11 17:26:26 2019.* ...hmmmmmm. not one religion ever has not can they ever explain the "something from nothing" d'oh! quandry. none of 'em. basically, the response is, always, a variation on "well hey...it's our special magic." just saying.
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Posted by Michael549* on Mon Aug 12 06:30:18 2019, in response to Re: 9 Av, posted by Michael549 on Sun Aug 11 17:02:46 2019.* Sorry about the double posting - had a computer hiccup. Mike
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Posted by Joe V* on Mon Aug 12 06:58:44 2019, in response to Re: 9 Av, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Aug 12 00:11:59 2019.* You could never re-engineers the lower level to reach the West end line.
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Mon Aug 12 07:47:09 2019, in response to Re: 9 Av, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Aug 12 00:11:59 2019.* What conditions would cause the upper level to be closed?
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Posted by Mitch45* on Mon Aug 12 08:05:23 2019, in response to Re: 9 Av, posted by ntrainride on Mon Aug 12 06:15:15 2019.* Just the opposite - its science that has yet to explain the "Big Bang" hypothesis. There is no theory to explain the origin of the superheated, superconcentrated ball of matter that exploded, forming the known universe. Religion does not have to prove anything. Faith, by definition, believes in the intangible and the invisible, things that cannot be proven.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Mon Aug 12 08:26:55 2019, in response to Re: 9 Av, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Aug 12 00:11:59 2019.* LOL!
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Mon Aug 12 08:31:10 2019, in response to Re: 9 Av, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Aug 12 08:05:23 2019.* Religion's solution to science's ignorance is to just make shit up. Science is at least honest about what it knows and doesn’t know. And things that are “intangible” and “invisible” can definitely be proven. Nobody’s ever seen a neutrino, but science knows they exist.
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris* on Mon Aug 12 09:36:12 2019, in response to 9 Av, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Aug 11 11:17:03 2019.* Haha. After 20 or so years here, I know what this means.
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris* on Mon Aug 12 09:36:21 2019, in response to Re: 9 Av, posted by Joe V on Sun Aug 11 11:48:21 2019.* When the M terminated at 9th Ave, it just used the normal station upstairs. No real need to use a whole separate station, no less taking away the cross platform transfers upstairs too.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Mon Aug 12 10:20:45 2019, in response to Re: 9 Av, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 12 09:36:12 2019.* It's one of the great SubChat memes! Now you will always know when this minor holiday is, which a lot of Jews don't even know!
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Mon Aug 12 10:22:44 2019, in response to Re: 9 Av, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 12 09:36:21 2019.* And it's just bizarre. There isn't even enough capacity on the 4th Avenue line to absorb that many trains without diverting trains from Bay Ridge or Sea Beach or cutting back West End trains. If there were a need for that many trains, then they would be better off running them to Bay Parkway or even 62nd Street. Wallyhorse just likes to come up with service plans for the sake of service plans.
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Posted by Broadway Lion* on Mon Aug 12 10:29:03 2019, in response to Re: 9 Av, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Aug 12 07:47:09 2019.* Snow drifts three feet deep. But then it would also close the tracks that are in the open depression between 4th Ave and 9th Ave. LION would run the (RR) train from Astoria to Forth Hamilton via Broadway Local. (Him has said this before. 9th Ave Lower level can be configured into a staging facility for trains tio lay up over night. ROAR
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Posted by Joe V* on Mon Aug 12 11:34:33 2019, in response to Re: 9 Av, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 12 10:22:44 2019.* Does the R train run at capacity for the 4th Av local tracks ?
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Mon Aug 12 11:51:14 2019, in response to Re: 9 Av, posted by Joe V on Mon Aug 12 11:34:33 2019.* All of the excess capacity can be served by the middle track at 9th Avenue if necessary.
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Posted by Mitch45* on Mon Aug 12 11:55:19 2019, in response to Re: 9 Av, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 12 08:31:10 2019.* Get back to me when the Big Bang question has been answered by science and we’ll discuss further.
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris* on Mon Aug 12 13:37:25 2019, in response to Re: 9 Av, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 12 10:22:44 2019.* Yes. I agree.
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris* on Mon Aug 12 13:38:28 2019, in response to Re: 9 Av, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 12 11:51:14 2019.* I love the nostalgia of using unused infrastructure, but this is one that reality is far from needing it. I feel the same for Bergen Lower Level.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Mon Aug 12 14:07:44 2019, in response to Re: 9 Av, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Aug 12 11:55:19 2019.* Come back to me when any question has been solved by religion.
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Posted by Numbersix* on Mon Aug 12 18:27:06 2019, in response to Re: 9 Av, posted by Union Tpke on Sun Aug 11 17:26:26 2019.* Just ate a ham sandwich. I’m out.
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Posted by Nilet* on Mon Aug 12 19:32:41 2019, in response to Re: 9 Av, posted by Numbersix on Mon Aug 12 18:27:06 2019.* ThAt'S aNtIsEmItIc!
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Posted by Nilet* on Mon Aug 12 19:32:49 2019, in response to Re: 9 Av, posted by ntrainride on Mon Aug 12 06:15:15 2019.* No one: Not a soul: Not one single person: ntrainride: Your religion is wrong and you're dumb!
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Posted by Mitch45* on Mon Aug 12 21:47:15 2019, in response to Re: 9 Av, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 12 14:07:44 2019.* Why should I bother? I have no desire to convince you. If you want to remain unconvinced, be my guest. It’s you who has the problem.
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Posted by TerrApin Station* on Mon Aug 12 21:55:37 2019, in response to Re: 9 Av, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 12 14:07:44 2019.* Religion isn't trying to solve questions.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Mon Aug 12 22:32:45 2019, in response to Re: 9 Av, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Aug 12 21:47:15 2019.* I’m not the one who, when confronted with something unexplained, just makes shit up instead of being honest enough to say “nobody knows.”
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Posted by Mitch45* on Mon Aug 12 23:19:15 2019, in response to Re: 9 Av, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 12 22:32:45 2019.* I have never “made shit up”. Why do my beliefs bother you? I’m not forcing you to believe what I believe. You can believe what you want, or believe in nothing, if that is your choice. I don’t need to change your mind to validate what I believe. For some reason, you’re angry that I don’t believe as you believe.
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Mon Aug 12 23:52:25 2019, in response to Re: 9 Av, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Aug 12 10:29:03 2019.* Make a model
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Tue Aug 13 00:01:23 2019, in response to Re: 9 Av, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Aug 12 23:19:15 2019.* Sorry, you didn’t make shit up, but it makes you feel better to believe stuff that’s made up instead of accepting that some things are still unknown. I don’t believe in nothing, I just don’t make believe. How am I angry? You’re the one who attacked me as ostensibly having a problem.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Tue Aug 13 00:01:23 2019, in response to Re: 9 Av, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Aug 12 23:19:15 2019.* Sorry, you didn’t make shit up, but it makes you feel better to believe stuff that’s made up instead of accepting that some things are still unknown. I don’t believe in nothing, I just don’t make believe. How am I angry? You’re the one who attacked me as ostensibly having a problem.
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Posted by TerrApin Station* on Tue Aug 13 00:37:05 2019, in response to 9 Av, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Aug 11 11:17:03 2019.* 9 Av
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Aug 13 01:05:03 2019, in response to Re: 9 Av, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Aug 12 08:05:23 2019.* its science that has yet to explain the "Big Bang" hypothesis That was thought of by a Catholic theologian, not any scientist.
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Posted by Nilet* on Tue Aug 13 01:47:51 2019, in response to Re: 9 Av, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 13 01:05:03 2019.* That was thought of by a Catholic theologian, not any scientist. This is meaningless and incoherent. Science is an endeavour— it's something you do, not something you are. Anybody can do science, and there's nothing that can make your actions intrinsically scientific. So if a Catholic theologian discovers the origin of the universe through observation and experimentation, then the question of how the universe came to be has been answered by science. And if a squad of people who dedicated their careers to doing science reject that discovery because it conflicts with their deeply-held beliefs, then the discovery was rejected irrationally because of blind faith, and in direct contravention of science. So even if the first half of your claim (before the comma) is true, the entire claim would be meaningless.
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730* on Tue Aug 13 09:06:43 2019, in response to 9 Av, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Aug 11 11:17:03 2019.* Happy fasting.
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