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[PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Apr 14 13:29:21 2019

Some remnants of the Manhattan Beach Railroad I photographed in the 80's. There are more remnants, if you know where to look.
The concrete retaining wall by the Neck Rd station of the (Q) line. (October 1982)

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At the (B)(Q) Sheepshead Bay station.
Looking through the chain link fence in the foreground, you'll see the concrete fence posts of the MBRR and not the BRT. (November 1986)

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Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Apr 14 13:32:35 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Apr 14 13:29:21 2019.

What would you say is the most obviously visible location presently to point out the past existence of this LIRR branch to someone unfamiliar?

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Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by zac on Sun Apr 14 16:05:32 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Apr 14 13:32:35 2019.

almost all of the overpasses on the cross streets have something visible, from Ave H on down to Sheepshead Bay.

I believe there is also a tunnel under the tracks to Gravesend Race Track.

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Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Apr 14 17:27:09 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Apr 14 13:32:35 2019.

What would you say is the most obviously visible location presently to point out the past existence of this LIRR branch to someone unfamiliar?

I would say the retaining wall at Gravesend Neck Rd. There were other retaining walls, but this one had the stairs to the platform.

The concrete fence posts weren't as visible, there were more I have seen in the past.

I haven't seen the other retaining walls in years so I don't know if they were removed for development.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sun Apr 14 18:02:27 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by zac on Sun Apr 14 16:05:32 2019.

tunnel has been filled in.if you have a keen eye you can see whats left of the ramp going down into the tunnel coney island bound on the local track.

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Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by K. Trout on Sun Apr 14 19:39:26 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by zac on Sun Apr 14 16:05:32 2019.

Ave N is a prototypical example, you can clearly see the space on the embankment for one or two tracks on the east side:



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Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by K. Trout on Sun Apr 14 19:43:52 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Apr 14 13:32:35 2019.

Take a look at the curved property lines and line of trees between the Bay Ridge line and Ave J station, stretching to about E 19 St. This was where the branch split off from the Bay Ridge line and joined the Brighton:



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Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by ntrainride on Sun Apr 14 21:44:31 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Apr 14 13:29:21 2019.

good stuff.

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Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by zac on Sun Apr 14 23:06:22 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by K. Trout on Sun Apr 14 19:43:52 2019.

Because all of those streets are dead ends I've never been down there. I'll have to check it out to see if there is any street level evidence.

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Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Apr 14 23:50:15 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by zac on Sun Apr 14 23:06:22 2019.

Yes, there is. Check out street view of East 17th street at Avenue I and the dead end of East 18th Street. There's also an overgrown vacant lot on the east side of East 16th.

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Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by Edwards! on Mon Apr 15 09:09:06 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Apr 14 17:27:09 2019.

Lol.
Mostly built upon.
Im wondering why it was removed in the first place.

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Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Apr 15 10:27:11 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by K. Trout on Sun Apr 14 19:43:52 2019.

Very cool. Just like the Cedarhurst Cutoff and the Whitepot Underjump on the LIRR, the trees and shapes of the buildings tell the tale.

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Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Apr 15 10:38:30 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Apr 14 13:29:21 2019.

When was the line closed?

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Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 15 11:04:55 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Apr 15 10:38:30 2019.

1924.

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Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 15 12:18:14 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 15 11:04:55 2019.

Was there ever a physical track connection with the Brighton line ?

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Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by K. Trout on Mon Apr 15 21:34:12 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Apr 15 10:27:11 2019.

Yep, building lines are your best bet for finding old urban ROWs. The Bushwick branch is another good example, you can still see a distinct line of empty spaces between buildings (sometimes filled with much newer buildings) in what is otherwise a moderately dense area. IIRC the 3rd Av El in the Bronx was also a private ROW for some distance.

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Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by K. Trout on Mon Apr 15 21:35:18 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by Edwards! on Mon Apr 15 09:09:06 2019.

It wasn't really profitable for the LIRR once the Brighton was improved and grade-separated, even more so when it was converted to subway operation. Guess the BMT and MTA never needed the extra ROW and sold off what they could, hence the shallow lots all along E 16th on the east side of the tracks.

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Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by 3-9 on Tue Apr 16 06:55:30 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Apr 14 17:27:09 2019.

Last I saw (which was a while ago), that retaining wall and at least part of the stairway was still there, but almost everything behind the wall has been demolished.

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Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by tunnelrat on Tue Apr 16 07:36:06 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 15 12:18:14 2019.

yes,the brt took it from sheepshead bay to manhattan beach.they strung trolley wire over the ROW and ran EL cars in the street to manhattan beach.

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Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by G1Ravage on Tue Apr 16 07:43:57 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by K. Trout on Sun Apr 14 19:43:52 2019.

How far south did it parallel the Brighton Line?

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Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 16 07:46:33 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by G1Ravage on Tue Apr 16 07:43:57 2019.

Voorhies Avenue. There is an angular building on the NW corner of East 14th and Neptune that approximates the old ROW, and then south of there, Corbin Place is the old ROW.

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Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Apr 16 08:49:45 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by 3-9 on Tue Apr 16 06:55:30 2019.

Last I saw (which was a while ago), that retaining wall and at least part of the stairway was still there, but almost everything behind the wall has been demolished.

IIRC, this was at the time the Neck Rd station was closed for rehab. That's when that wall was altered.

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Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by 3-9 on Tue Apr 16 09:31:36 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Apr 16 08:49:45 2019.

That sounds about right.

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Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 16 14:33:56 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by tunnelrat on Tue Apr 16 07:36:06 2019.

When?

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Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 16 14:41:08 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by TUNNELRAT on Sun Apr 14 18:02:27 2019.

If you look at street view of East 15th Street and Avenue X, you can see the steel bridge. It's like all the over bridges over streets, just shorter.

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Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Apr 16 15:01:32 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 16 07:46:33 2019.

Donít forget before it was raised to parallel the Brighton Line, it ran at grade using an irregular path near East 17 Street. That is why that street is wider south of Avenue X. The recently closed fork of East 17 Street near Jerome Avenue was the path of the railroad when it ran at grade. There are pictures of the railroad crossing at Sheepshead Bay Road. It continued through the buildings through Voorhies Avenue to the point you mention at E 14 and Neptune. The yard was the block between where Corbin Place is now and West End Avenue.

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Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by tunnelrat on Wed Apr 17 06:57:55 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 16 14:33:56 2019.

I don`t remember.i,ve seen photos of EL cars in the street going there.amazing stuff.

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Updated [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Apr 22 03:53:34 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Apr 14 13:29:21 2019.

April 21, 2019
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Re: Updated [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by DieselBusFan on Mon Apr 22 03:58:26 2019, in response to Updated [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Apr 22 03:53:34 2019.

Thank you for this recent post. It looks like today a visit to Neck Rd is still worthwhile to get a pix and a historical perspective.

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Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Apr 22 07:51:07 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 15 11:04:55 2019.

That early? In direct competition with the EL did it in?

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Re: Updated [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Apr 22 07:52:29 2019, in response to Updated [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Apr 22 03:53:34 2019.

What stations can I find them?


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Re: Updated [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Apr 22 08:11:57 2019, in response to Re: Updated [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Apr 22 07:52:29 2019.

What stations can I find them?

Neck Road on the (Q) Brighton Line in Brooklyn.

That wall's not going anywhere any time soon.

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Re: Updated [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Apr 22 08:13:16 2019, in response to Re: Updated [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by DieselBusFan on Mon Apr 22 03:58:26 2019.

Thank you for this recent post. It looks like today a visit to Neck Rd is still worthwhile to get a pix and a historical perspective.

Thank you, did you notice in the before an after photo, someone's sitting on the stairs ?

Bill Newkirk

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Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 22 08:17:05 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Apr 22 07:51:07 2019.

By 1924 the Brighton Line was the subway.

The MB had a roundabout route via East New York to LIC. Once there, one had to take a ferry to East 34th Street, and then be left high and dry on the far east side, needing to take a streetcar (probably two) or the 34th Street El to the 2nd or 3rd Avenue els, requiring multiple fares and more time than the cheaper 5 cent Brighton trains that ran all the way up Broadway to Times Square via express and to Lexington Avenue via local. There was no way for the MB to compete.

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Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 22 08:19:39 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 22 08:17:05 2019.

Any track connection with the Brighton Line ?

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Re: Updated [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by DieselBusFan on Mon Apr 22 08:21:15 2019, in response to Re: Updated [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Apr 22 08:13:16 2019.

But not the same person!

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(SATELLITE VIEW] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Apr 22 08:24:12 2019, in response to Updated [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Apr 22 03:53:34 2019.

Satellite view of the ROW between Sheepshead Bay Road and Ave. Z.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 22 08:24:33 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 22 08:19:39 2019.

That I don't know.

However, while the current route was being built, Brighton trains temporarily shared the old MB tracks instead of building temporary tracks. Of course, this only applied south of the junction. North of there temporary tracks were used.

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Re: Updated [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Apr 22 08:40:11 2019, in response to Updated [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Apr 22 03:53:34 2019.

Thanks for these.

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Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Apr 22 08:46:48 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 22 08:17:05 2019.

Correction the subway. So that line wound up where the current LIRR LIC terminal is?

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Re: Updated [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Apr 22 08:47:54 2019, in response to Re: Updated [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Apr 22 08:11:57 2019.

Thanks. I'll check it out next time I'm in New York.

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Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 22 08:53:34 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Apr 22 08:46:48 2019.

Yes.

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Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Apr 22 09:10:15 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 22 08:53:34 2019.

Thank you.

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Re: Updated [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Apr 22 16:10:59 2019, in response to Re: Updated [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by DieselBusFan on Mon Apr 22 08:21:15 2019.

The person in the second picture is probably a grandson of the person in the first picture. These things run in families.

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Re: Updated [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by orange blossom special on Tue Apr 23 04:40:59 2019, in response to Updated [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Apr 22 03:53:34 2019.

So, do you have to have faith to walk through the wall on the stairs, or is there another Indiana Jones type trick to climbing the stairs?

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Re: Updated [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Apr 23 09:07:10 2019, in response to Re: Updated [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by orange blossom special on Tue Apr 23 04:40:59 2019.

So, do you have to have faith to walk through the wall on the stairs, or is there another Indiana Jones type trick to climbing the stairs?

I could never walk through cinder blocks, it would be a painful experience. lol

Bill Newkirk

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Re: Updated [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by numbersix on Tue Apr 23 12:19:06 2019, in response to Re: Updated [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Apr 22 08:13:16 2019.

It's the same guy. He's been waiting for the LIRR for 37 years.

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Re: Updated [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Apr 23 12:24:21 2019, in response to Re: Updated [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by numbersix on Tue Apr 23 12:19:06 2019.

very nice.

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Re: Updated [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Apr 23 15:44:08 2019, in response to Re: Updated [PHOTOS] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by numbersix on Tue Apr 23 12:19:06 2019.

They should put electronic signs there. The ones at Belmont Park run year-round for not that many more people apart from Belmont Stakes day. They could at least post the odds of that station reopening so the guy could decide if it's worth the wait.

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Re: (SATELLITE VIEW] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch

Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Apr 23 18:10:27 2019, in response to (SATELLITE VIEW] LIRR Manhattan Beach Branch, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Apr 22 08:24:12 2019.

The woods always tell the tale.

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