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Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Mar 26 22:54:07 2019, in response to Re: As Goon Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Mar 25 21:20:49 2019. From her seat? |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Mar 27 09:43:58 2019, in response to Re: As Goon Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by randyo on Sat Mar 23 16:38:24 2019. Yea but those are evil dangerous places....where this doesn't happen. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Mar 27 09:44:44 2019, in response to Re: As Goon Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Mar 23 16:56:35 2019. You forgot the #votedemonkkkrat at the end of your message. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Mar 27 10:06:54 2019, in response to Re: As Goon Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by AlM on Sun Mar 24 13:08:03 2019. Fakts are fakts... Zimerman did retreat when told to do so and was within 20 yards or so of his truck when attacked. Trevon doubled back in order to assault him otherwise he could not have been in that location. Trevon should just have gone into his uncle's apartment and thought no more about the issue.Fakts is fakts, argue if you must but it changes knot the fackts. Sure Zimmerman undoubtedly had many faults, but he was not on trial for those. ROAR |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 27 10:13:22 2019, in response to Re: As Goon Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Mar 27 10:06:54 2019. Zimmerman provoked Martin by menacing him.What is the deal with conservatives referring to Zimmerman by his last name, but Martin by his first name? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Mar 27 10:24:56 2019, in response to Re: As Goon Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 27 10:13:22 2019. How did he menace him? He followed him across a public commons. He spoke on his cell phone. Neither of those are menacing. Zimmerman did leave the commons when told to do so.First name last name? You must explain to me why this is important. This is the way I heard it reported in the media. Perhaps because President Obama called Martin by the name 'Trevon' Said if he had a son it might be like him. Though I certainly hope not. ROAR |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Mar 27 10:40:46 2019, in response to Re: As Goon Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Mar 23 16:56:35 2019. BTW, this is a somewhat dishonest post.A) On a train, where are you retreating to? B) Are the filmers retreating? C) What is the radius of this duty? 4 city blocks? D) Does the villian not have a duty to retreat when they are then attacked? I thought a duty to retreat is that you retreat if you can, and fight if you cannot. You know, the basis for "Flight, Hide, or Fight". It is the not the law of retreat, but the perp you mention in your post who got beat up by a good Samaritan does not have a duty to retreat. This is all so ass backwards. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Mar 27 10:41:02 2019, in response to As Goon Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Mar 23 09:16:49 2019. I like his racist outfit. Guessing this isn't a hate crime. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 27 11:15:23 2019, in response to Re: As Goon Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Mar 27 10:24:56 2019. He was stalking him. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Mar 27 11:31:05 2019, in response to Re: As Goon Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 27 11:15:23 2019. He was not stalking him, he was in plain sight on the commons where anybody can walk.If I was stalking him, he would never have seen me. I have an invisibility cloak. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Mar 27 11:37:23 2019, in response to Re: As Goon Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by orange blossom special on Wed Mar 27 10:40:46 2019. The ossiphers have a duty to take in the innocent as well as the guilty. They need a good ID on the witnesses, and mostly they have to sort things out, usually at the station house, particularly if the place where they are standing is unsafe.ROAR |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 27 12:20:21 2019, in response to Re: As Goon Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Mar 27 11:31:05 2019. And Martin was being followed by a strange man that Martin correctly perceived as a threat to him. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Wed Mar 27 14:09:56 2019, in response to Re: As Goon Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 27 10:13:22 2019. uh, if we're going to bring O/T here.... can we at least try to look past what each of us wants to see in the story and towards the sequence of actual events?This happened on private roads inside a gated community. There's a huge Neighborhood Watch sign outside, and GZ was the neighborhood watch captain. It was has job to look out for suspicious activity, which he did. He did not menace Mr Martin, rather the reverse; Mr Martin saw GZ, and surmised that he was some sort of watchman. He walked to the house in which he was staying, then doubled back and sucker-punched the older, much slower Mr Zimmerman. Mr Martin had considerable practice with fighting, as that was why he was finally expelled from high school. He was sent to the neighborhood by bus, but got off mid-trip, not at a station stop; it appears that he took a swing at the bus driver, and his absent father then picked him up from mid-trip, drove him to the destination... and then left, handing the teen $100 and zero adult supervision. That part didn't make the evening news, nor did the fact that Mr Martin had been thrown out of his mother's house. Mr Martin seems to have been a young man raging against child abuse by his parents, not understanding why he was always angry or what to do about it other than "make some fire-a## Lean". That course of action, if repeated while a teen, is likely to cause brain damage and personality changes. At each step down that dark road his parents helped him continue, the school acted permissively and Mr Martin made impulsive childish choices as the odometer turned over to Adult. Soon after his death, his mother, who by that time barely knew him, trademarked his name. Of course, people will generally see what they want in this case. I first believed that the fault lay with Mr. Zimmerman, at the time I trusted that the big-name news sources were accurate and unbiased. After a time, I was painfully and thoroughly disabused of that notion. You have to make these discoveries for yourself on your own motivation, nothing a stranger tells you on the internet can break past the Official Story. It's a sad story for all involved. It is also not the story you have been told. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Wed Mar 27 14:18:10 2019, in response to Re: As Goon Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 27 10:13:22 2019. uh, if we're going to bring O/T here.... can we at least try to look past what each of us wants to see in the story and towards the sequence of actual events?This happened on private roads inside a gated community. There's a huge Neighborhood Watch sign outside, and GZ was the neighborhood watch captain. It was has job to look out for suspicious activity, which he did. He did not menace Mr Martin, rather the reverse; Mr Martin saw GZ, and surmised that he was some sort of watchman. He walked to the house in which he was staying, then doubled back and sucker-punched the older, much slower Mr Zimmerman.* Mr Martin had considerable practice with fighting, as that was why he was finally expelled from high school. He was sent to the neighborhood by bus, but got off mid-trip, not at a station stop; it appears that he took a swing at the bus driver, and his absent father then picked him up from mid-trip, drove him to the destination... and then left, handing the teen $100 and zero adult supervision. That part didn't make the evening news, nor did the fact that Mr Martin had been thrown out of his mother's house. Mr Martin seems to have been a young man raging against indifference (sophisticated child abuse) from his parents, not understanding why he was always angry or what to do about it other than "make some fire-a## Lean". That course of action, if repeated while a teen, is likely to cause brain damage and personality changes. At each step down that dark road his parents helped him continue, the school acted permissively and Mr Martin made impulsive childish choices as the odometer turned over to Adult. Soon after his death, his mother, who by that time barely knew him, trademarked his name. Of course, people will generally see what they want in this case. I first believed that the fault lay with Mr. Zimmerman, at the time I trusted that the big-name news sources were accurate and unbiased. After a time, I was painfully and thoroughly disabused of that notion. You have to make these discoveries for yourself on your own motivation, nothing a stranger tells you on the internet can break past the Official Story. It's a sad story for all involved, inflated into being a bad story for the nation. It is also not the story you have been told. --- *Mr Zimmerman was so incapable at fighting that he was rejected from a recreational martial arts class, the instructor believed GZ would get hurt. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Wed Mar 27 14:18:48 2019, in response to Re: As Goon Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by Steamdriven on Wed Mar 27 14:09:56 2019. oops... can't delete double post |
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Wed Mar 27 14:32:48 2019, in response to Re: As Goon Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by Steamdriven on Wed Mar 27 14:18:10 2019. Mr Martin had considerable practice with fighting, as that was why he was finally expelled from high school.I stopped reading right there. He was suspended for a couple of weeks after being caught with traces of marijuana. It wasn’t an expulsion, and it wasn’t for fighting. uh, if we're going to bring O/T here.... can we at least try to look past what each of us wants to see in the story and towards the sequence of actual events? That is precisely what you are not doing. No one should trust what you say on this subject, because you clearly are biased and you aren’t sticking to the facts. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Mar 27 16:12:29 2019, in response to Re: As Goon Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 27 12:20:21 2019. Wrong. They were nowhere near each other, and if Martin was afraid, he would have hurried to his uncle's apartment.ROAR |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 27 16:47:06 2019, in response to Re: As Goon Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Mar 27 16:12:29 2019. Why shouldn't Martin have stood his ground?See how that works? |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Wed Mar 27 21:19:02 2019, in response to Re: As Goon Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Wed Mar 27 14:32:48 2019. I'm read all that from indirect sources which seemed to be sincere and correct, but of course I have no personal or direct knowledge of the events. Neither do you. Unfortunately, the full story has been concealed from the public. What I remember reading was that the fighting accounts are from school records, Mr Martin's phone records and other sources. Now, I don't know if what I've read is 100% correct, and you don't know that about the noise-machine media sources either.I have no grudge, bias, axe to grind or hidden agenda. I find this to be a sad story which political types latched onto to the detriment of all involved. You may have been taught that anyone who disagrees with you must be doing so out of malice, and there's no way I can convince you otherwise. Only you can break yourself out of that trap. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Mar 28 00:24:42 2019, in response to Re: As Goon Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 27 10:13:22 2019. For the names, not to try and project practicality in it but for "George Zimmerman" and "Trayvon Martin", George and Martin are much more common than Zimmerman and Trayvon... it could simply be subconscious desire to be more specific.That said once context is established, last names should be used wherever possible. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Mar 28 08:12:33 2019, in response to Re: As Goon Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 27 16:47:06 2019. He was on his way home from a mile long walk to the C store, where he bought some cand and smoked a joint on the way home.If Martin would stand his ground then perhaps GZ would have gone up to him and asked about his ID, and then being satisfied would have called off the 911 call. Martin did not enter a house from the commons which he could have done but dodged between two units and frm there GZ retreated as per instructions. He returned to his truck and was but 20 yards away from it when he was attacked by Martin who had doubled back along the street some 150 yards or more. This one was entirely on Martin, and he paid for his shit. End of Story. ROAR |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 28 08:33:55 2019, in response to Re: As Goon Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Mar 28 08:12:33 2019. Sounds like Martin was either taking a legitimate shortcut through a poorly-designed anti-pedestrian subdivision, or else was aware of Zimmerman's menacing and attempted to elude him. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Mar 28 10:17:23 2019, in response to Re: As Goon Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 28 08:33:55 2019. NO. Martin was within his legal and proper route for his entire transit of the commons from the time he entered the property until the time he assaulted Zimmerman. Martin was doing NOTHING suspicious or what he should not have been doing.But there were crimes in the community, and Zimmerman was a watchman. \Zimmerman did not recognize Martin, as he was new to the community. Zimmerman had the right and some might say the duty to investigate. This he did and called in for police help. The police told him that they were on it and that he should withdraw. This Zimmerman did and was at a point closest to his truck, but still on the common when he was attacked. Martin should have just gone into his uncle's apartment and called it a day, but he had been smoking a joint on his way back from the C store about a mile away, and was likely paranoid, and feeling his oats. End of Story. ROAR |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 28 11:03:55 2019, in response to Re: As Goon Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Mar 24 19:47:55 2019. You're presenting a rather good argument for universal concealed carry. If I can't run or call the cops, it would be nice to have a "fight" option I actually have a chance at winning.On the contrary, it's a good argument for universal gun control. If you have a gun, your assailant probably does too. That's inevitable. The law can make guns unavailable entirely, since they are manufactured objects that have to be produced by major industries whose supply and sales chains can be regulated, but it can't make guns readily available to law-abiding people but not to criminals (since if guns are available to anyone, criminals will simply acquire them illegally). So any policy that lets you have a gun will also ensure that your assailant does too, and that would make everything worse, because: 1) Instead of physical strength, the fight will be decided by draw speed and aim. Both are likely to favour the attacker who has (a) the element of surprise and (b) probably more practice using a gun. 2) When fights do happen, they are more violent. As I pointed out earlier, even the "winner" rarely walks away unscathed; arming both participants makes it far more likely that you'll be badly hurt even if you win. 3) When the other party has a gun, running away becomes a lot more difficult since, you know, ranged weapon. 4) If you can't call the cops, there's no way having a gun will help. If anything, it'll just make everything worse. 5) Policies that ensure criminals have guns stack the odds even further against people who don't carry guns. A "right" to a gun very quickly morphs into an obligation; if you don't have a gun of your own, you're helpless. 6) Widespread gun ownership has loads of ancillary bad effects, such as: a. It becomes possible to kill someone in the heat of the moment, vastly increasing the murder rate. Remember, most shootings are not premeditated. b. It vastly increases the number of deaths caused by "accidents." c. It vastly increases the suicide rate. Remember, most suicides are spur-of-the-moment decisions; not having a readily-available means to commit suicide means a lot of people won't. d. Living in a world where anyone could kill you in seconds and you'd have less than that to respond is stressful. No one wants that. e. It would dangerously shift the burden of noncoercion. By that, I mean— if you have a gun and you ask me for $20, that's a robbery. It doesn't matter how you ask; the fact that you have a gun means I'll feel coerced into giving you the money, and taking my money under the (implied) threat of violence is robbery. If your having a gun is unusual, society will have no trouble accepting that you commit robbery— obviously, if you choose to have a gun, the burden is on you to make sure you're not threatening anyone with it. Trouble is, if carrying a gun in public is common, people might start presuming it's "normal" and nonthreatening, forcing me to choose between handing over money to anyone who asks or risk being shot and then told that technically I had the right to shoot back. So basically, in short, making it easier to own guns would add one terrible option at the cost of removing or ruining all the others. |
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Posted by Ftgreeneg on Thu Mar 28 13:15:26 2019, in response to Re: As Goon Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 28 11:03:55 2019. Good post |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 28 13:47:26 2019, in response to Re: As Goon Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Mar 28 10:17:23 2019. \Zimmerman did not recognize Martin, as he was new to the community. Zimmerman had the right and some might say the duty to investigate.Zimmerman was a vigilante who took the law into his own hands. He was like Paul Kersey but without actual criminals to kill. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Mar 28 13:51:02 2019, in response to Re: As Goon Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 28 13:47:26 2019. You're arguing with someone who is so gullible that he thinks everything Zimmerman said in his defense is necessarily truthful. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Thu Mar 28 14:19:14 2019, in response to Re: As Goon Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 28 11:03:55 2019. " manufactured objects that have to be produced by major industries whose supply and sales chains can be regulated"Orly? Old guy from the Bronx I knew was around during the gang wars of the '60s. He recounted standing next to a ne'er do well pal during that decade, neither one noticing that a member of a rival group was half a block away. Boom, no-see-me guy took the pal's head half off. How? Long barrel zip gun and a bit of practice. But in the Brave New World there will be no zip guns! Sure, you're going to make steel tubes, springs, and broach bits fully confiscated components and prevent every machine shop in China from making more of them. Just type enough words, that'll erase steel. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 28 14:19:15 2019, in response to Re: As Goon Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by Ftgreeneg on Thu Mar 28 13:15:26 2019. Actually, that was totally erroneous. No one would go around shooting each other at every slightest insult, etc... in fact, there are still lots of communities in Rural America where almost everyone walks around armed, concealed and/or plain sight |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Mar 28 14:36:12 2019, in response to Re: As Goon Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 28 14:19:15 2019. there are still lots of communities in Rural America where almost everyone walks around armed, concealed and/or plain sightMaybe less than you think, or only in the south. I've spent many months of my life in rural America (primarily CA, WA, MT, WY, UT, CO, AZ, NM, TX, NY, VT, and NH - so a whole mix of political attitudes) and seen almost no one ever openly carrying a gun. |
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Posted by Ftgreeneg on Thu Mar 28 14:52:05 2019, in response to Re: As Goon Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 28 14:19:15 2019. What good reason is there to carry a gun in plain sight?Logically speaking his points are correct. Guns make everything more violent it's a fact. It turns a fight into a murder, it turns a nut with a knife being able to hurt or murder 4 or 5 to 50. Obviously taking everybody's guns is impractical but we also don't have to lay down and accept our absurd number of mass shootings either. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Mar 28 15:35:27 2019, in response to Re: As Goon Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by AlM on Thu Mar 28 14:36:12 2019. You probably wouldn't have noticed. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Thu Mar 28 16:10:35 2019, in response to Re: As Goon Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by orange blossom special on Wed Mar 27 10:41:02 2019. At the anti-Jewish rally that was streamed live on facebook this week, dude was wearing the same outfit as this nazi on the train.Any subchatters have this disgusting get-up? |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Thu Mar 28 16:10:57 2019, in response to As Goon Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Mar 23 09:16:49 2019. Title corrected. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 28 19:09:36 2019, in response to Re: As Goon Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by Steamdriven on Thu Mar 28 14:19:14 2019. You do know there are rather a lot of countries with gun control, right? It's not like we can't just see how this works in practice. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 29 08:47:40 2019, in response to Re: As Goon Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by AlM on Thu Mar 28 14:36:12 2019. That's why I also mention concealed. And it's not less than I think, in fact is probably more than you think. No one advertises so no one knows who is carrying or not. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 29 08:48:31 2019, in response to Re: As Goon Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by Ftgreeneg on Thu Mar 28 14:52:05 2019. Some states have laws against concealed carry, unless you are active or retired law enforcement. Which means you have to carry in plain sight |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 29 08:49:47 2019, in response to Re: As Goon Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by Ftgreeneg on Thu Mar 28 14:52:05 2019. I don't think people who has legitimate gun licenses are going to whip out their pistols every time they got into a fight. If that is true, every cop would be dead by now, especially after nights of drinking! |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Mar 29 08:53:18 2019, in response to Re: As Goon Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Mar 29 08:47:40 2019. No one advertisesNot in case of concealed carry, but you also mentioned "in plain sight." |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Fri Mar 29 10:08:27 2019, in response to Re: As neo-nazi Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by orange blossom special on Thu Mar 28 16:10:57 2019. Did more info about the perp surface?? |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Mar 29 10:13:24 2019, in response to Re: As neo-nazi Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by Steamdriven on Fri Mar 29 10:08:27 2019. Consider the source. He is making some kind of political point. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 29 10:23:14 2019, in response to Re: As Goon Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by Ftgreeneg on Thu Mar 28 14:52:05 2019. On the other hand, guns may discourage fighting because of mutual assured destruction. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Mar 29 10:58:30 2019, in response to Re: As Goon Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by AlM on Thu Mar 28 14:36:12 2019. Then there's the Tueller Drill training exercise. At distances of 21 feet or less, if a person carrying a knife charges toward another person with a holstered gun, in most cases the knife-wielder will stab the person with the gun before the latter can get off a shot. Twenty-one feet is the specific distance because the average person can run that distance in 1.5 seconds, and 1.5 seconds is how long it takes a trained person to draw a gun from a holster and get off an aimed shot.I'm going to guess that the great majority of violent confrontations on the subway take place at distances under 21 feet. Draw your own conclusions. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Mar 29 12:35:52 2019, in response to Re: As neo-nazi Attacks Elderly Woman On Train, Bystanders Shoot Video, posted by AlM on Fri Mar 29 10:13:24 2019. Believe it or not, iawtlp. |
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