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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Mar 21 13:25:05 2019, in response to Re: Should the city take back its buses and subways?, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Mar 21 13:16:20 2019. Why wouldn't it?Just because it doesnt carry an Interstate ID? Its still a limited access parkway system with COMMON connections to the I system. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Mar 21 13:53:48 2019, in response to Re: Should the city take back its buses and subways?, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Mar 21 13:16:20 2019. LOL. Do you have any idea what happens when it shuts down for some reason? |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Mar 21 15:12:53 2019, in response to Re: Should the city take back its buses and subways?, posted by Edwards! on Thu Mar 21 13:17:05 2019. as it has been for decades. I biked to work @ 38th & 5th from 11th E of B, in 66-67. One evening a bus pulled out right in front of me--luckily there were no cars to my lefty as I swerved to not faceplant on the bus.A few more close calls and I went back to using the subway even though it took longer. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 21 17:10:26 2019, in response to Re: Should the city take back its buses and subways?, posted by Edwards! on Thu Mar 21 13:17:05 2019. That's what the city doesn't realize by encouraging cycling on major city avenues. Still very dangerous even with protected bike lanes. The more they encourage cycling the more people will die. They will always blame the motorist. Sometimes it is their fault and sometimes it isn't.You can always see an approaching cyclist. They can also surprise you by being where you least expect it like passing you between a double yellow line in the middle of the night which has happened to me. If I am about to make a left turn my mind is on the traffic in front of me and to the sides as well as looking for any pedestrians that may be around. I am not thinking about some impatient idiot cyclist on my left in the opposing traffic lane. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Thu Mar 21 17:36:43 2019, in response to Re: Should the city take back its buses and subways?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Mar 21 15:12:53 2019. A wise decision. Even though I think a bike is ideal in theory, in practice it's not wise in places like NYC. Citibike for short distances is OK, just be ever mindful that it only takes one event for truck/bus/car to get a small stain and you to become a small splat. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Mar 21 17:43:31 2019, in response to Re: Should the city take back its buses and subways?, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 20 23:31:49 2019. Although it wasn’t made entirely public, I’m sure there was some sort of machinery in place to deal with that. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Mar 21 17:45:09 2019, in response to Re: Should the city take back its buses and subways?, posted by AlM on Thu Mar 21 10:55:41 2019. Can't find seltzer - just too heavy to ship for its value, I guess.Seltzer used to be delivered to homes. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Thu Mar 21 18:04:50 2019, in response to Re: Should the city take back its buses and subways?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Mar 20 13:38:31 2019. I feel your pain, really!Recently, it seems many of us are eligible to fall out for "Sick-call". I would suggest a handicap chip be included in the "Easypass" clip on. First for us, then the general public. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Mar 21 18:10:20 2019, in response to Re: Should the city take back its buses and subways?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Mar 21 12:29:48 2019. When I was a M/M I would often be keying by to close in on my leader during rush hours. If I was working the A, a D would be thrown in front of me at 145 St and after leaving 59 St, I would only have a short time of free running before an E would be thrown in front of me N/O 42/8. I was keying by reds almost the entire distance between 145 St and Hoyt where the E separated from the A. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Mar 21 18:32:31 2019, in response to Re: Should the city take back its buses and subways?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Mar 21 17:45:09 2019. Yeah, like bottled milk. Always found a little cream on the inside of the little cardboard seal atop the bottle. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Mar 21 20:31:42 2019, in response to Re: Should the city take back its buses and subways?, posted by randyo on Thu Mar 21 18:10:20 2019. When I was a M/MHow long ago? It's difficult to get verifiable source documentation regarding service levels. The only reliable ones that I've seen are the maps published by the BOT in 1949 and and the TA in 1954. There were some TDI timetables in the early 1970's. Alas, I didn't save any and haven't seen them. Peak period service levels were slashed with the mid 1970's financial crisis. I would often be keying by to close in on my leader during rush hours. Often isn't always. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Mar 21 20:35:49 2019, in response to Re: Should the city take back its buses and subways?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Mar 21 18:32:31 2019. Yeah, like bottled milk. Always found a little cream on the inside of the little cardboard seal atop the bottle.I'm old enough to remember home delivered milk before it was homogenized. Homogenization increased shelf life. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Mar 22 01:27:33 2019, in response to Re: Should the city take back its buses and subways?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Mar 21 20:35:49 2019. a fine example of product degradation. For many years in the SF Bay Area one could buy 'cream top' milk at reasonable prices--even briefly at Trader Joes. These days it is boutique milk at boutique prices. Too bad. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Mar 22 01:34:41 2019, in response to Re: Should the city take back its buses and subways?, posted by Steamdriven on Thu Mar 21 17:36:43 2019. these days, with only one functional eye, no biking at all. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Mar 22 08:22:06 2019, in response to Re: Should the city take back its buses and subways?, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Mar 21 13:16:20 2019. Its just a little circulator with in the city. It doesn't GO anywhere.ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Mar 22 08:31:06 2019, in response to Re: Should the city take back its buses and subways?, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 21 17:10:26 2019. LION has re-thunk cycling in the Apple.Apparently it is for da worms. OK: Even with bike lanes it is unsafe. So why are they there at all? Look to your LEFT. It is those socialist do-gooders who wish to emulate China! Clear the air, reduce congestion, make it a "people city" Use people power rather than petro-power. Whale LION wants to get rid of cars, but that will not get rid of traffic, Trucks, beese and cabs will still congest the city. And while LION would have more pedestrian routes (All of Broadway ??) the bike is the odd man out. Too slow for traffic, too fact for pedestrians. Nobody looks out for bikes (their fault BTW) but many bikes ignore traffic rules (their fault [splat]). So sorry. city bike. I suppose you cannot outlaw bikes, and they do have the right to occupy a traffic lane, but ride on one of those things at your own great peril. Sure, you can be ight. Dead right. ROARING |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 22 08:53:04 2019, in response to Re: Should the city take back its buses and subways?, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Mar 22 08:31:06 2019. Not saying bikes should be outlawed. In fact I believe laws should be relaxed to allow them on certain sidewalks. We have sidewalks that are barely used by pedestrians. It would be much safer for cyclists to legally use sidewalks when no pedestrans are present.They just don't belong on major avenues or pick a few and allow them only there. But cycling advocates want protected lanes on virtually every major street. It is not true that no one looks out for bikes. It's just that they are difficult to see at night and virtually impossible to se when they are ridden with no lights or reflectors and someone is wearing dark clothing. Reflective clothing should be the law. I cant tell you how many bikes I noticed at the last possible moment by the reflective strips on their sneakers which they probably didn't even realize they were wearing. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Mar 22 08:57:28 2019, in response to Re: Should the city take back its buses and subways?, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Mar 22 08:22:06 2019. LOL. It goes in a pretty straight line, and it carries more traffic in an hour than I-94 does in a day. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Mar 22 10:17:41 2019, in response to Re: Should the city take back its buses and subways?, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Mar 22 08:53:04 2019. They just don't belong on major avenuesNYMTC's 2017 Hub Bound Report showed 21,324 inbound bikes crossing the 60th St corridor between 6am and midnight. It also showed inbound 27,980 bus passengers crossing the same corridor during the same hours. The 2017 Hub Bound Report also showed 21,572 outbound bikes and 30,102 outbound bus passengers crossing the 60th St corridor during these same hours. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Mar 22 11:04:54 2019, in response to Re: Should the city take back its buses and subways?, posted by AlM on Fri Mar 22 08:57:28 2019. Yeah, but on I-94 the average speed is 80 mph.Well the LION always drives at 79. Its the locomotive in him. ROARING |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Mar 22 11:11:40 2019, in response to Re: Should the city take back its buses and subways?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Mar 22 10:17:41 2019. Interesting. I wonder if Mark Simone knows about this.What stats do you have for cars and car pax? ROAR |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Fri Mar 22 11:19:54 2019, in response to Re: Should the city take back its buses and subways?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Mar 22 01:34:41 2019. Ouch. Time does us no favors. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Fri Mar 22 11:28:11 2019, in response to Re: Should the city take back its buses and subways?, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Mar 22 08:31:06 2019. For the purpose of getting about a mile from the most convenient stop to your destination, CB actually works, even in NYC, but you must choose when and where with care. At at low effort pace a mile takes five minutes on flat ground, even with the clanky share bikes, add a couple more for waiting at intersections.The Citibikes have front and rear flashing lights powered by the wheels, they are always on. This helps considerable to offset rider cluelessness. Rolling is vastly easier than walking. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Fri Mar 22 11:52:50 2019, in response to Re: Should the city take back its buses and subways?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Mar 22 01:34:41 2019. Me too!I had a hole in my Macular repaired, but now a foggy view in that one. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Fri Mar 22 11:57:35 2019, in response to Re: Should the city take back its buses and subways?, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Mar 22 08:31:06 2019. It reminds me of the inscription on a Tombstone"HE HAD THE RIGHT-OF-WAY" |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Mar 22 11:59:28 2019, in response to Re: Should the city take back its buses and subways?, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Mar 22 11:04:54 2019. Being able to travel at 45 mph in Manhattan trumps being able to move at 79 mph in North Dakota. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Mar 22 12:02:48 2019, in response to Re: Should the city take back its buses and subways?, posted by Steamdriven on Fri Mar 22 11:28:11 2019. In areas where Citibikes exist, do you ever actually have to travel a mile outside the subway system to get to your destination?PS. I'm not saying Citibikes are useless; just that I don't see a major use being taking the subway and then a Citibike. I would think most Citibike users are not using a subway as part of their current trip. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Mar 22 12:12:06 2019, in response to Re: Should the city take back its buses and subways?, posted by Avid Reader on Fri Mar 22 11:52:50 2019. Ugh. Take care of the other eye - have it checked very frequently. My mother developed macular degeneration in both eyes, and it really made her life very limited. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Mar 22 12:30:08 2019, in response to Re: Should the city take back its buses and subways?, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Mar 22 11:11:40 2019. There's no breakdown for vehicle types across the 60th St cordon.For inbound vehicles and pax across 60th St between 6am and midnight the counts are: 269,058/351,765. For outbound the vehicle/pax counts are: 283,037/374,204. These total counts include avenues where there are no bus routes (e.g. FDR & Park Ave) and where bikes are excluded (e.g. FDR). |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Fri Mar 22 12:56:51 2019, in response to Re: Should the city take back its buses and subways?, posted by AlM on Fri Mar 22 12:02:48 2019. Usually less than a mile. It can go either way. Within Manhattan there's a stop everywhere but maybe you need to transfer to use it. Outside Manhattan you may have more than 1/2 mile walk to a subway stop and/or you may want to pick that line over there rather than the closest one.e.g: where I live I can go 1/2 mile and get to the Broadway line, going just over a mile gets me to the 6th ave line or the E. I can't walk that (health problems) but on days when I can move at all I can sit on a bike and roll for 10 minutes. With a bike you can vary your energy output - just lifting and dropping your legs gets you about 10mph (a bit less on a Citibike), a light effort about 15, anyone in normal health can beat that. Plus, a few minutes outside is usually less nasty than any amount of time packed into a rush hour train. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Mar 22 13:35:47 2019, in response to Re: Should the city take back its buses and subways?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Mar 22 12:30:08 2019. Hey! What do you mean no bikes on the FDR.... We allow bikes on I-94ROAING |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Mar 22 14:35:20 2019, in response to Re: Should the city take back its buses and subways?, posted by AlM on Fri Mar 22 12:02:48 2019. In areas where Citibikes exist, do you ever actually have to travel a mile outside the subway system to get to your destination?There were no Citibike stations that were located more than 1 mile from a NYC subway stop in Jan/Feb of this year. The Citibike station that is furthest from a subway station are at: Coffey St & Conover St in Bklyn at 5176 ft. There are several along Vernon Blv in Queens that are further than 1/2 mile from a subway stop. |
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Posted by Jace on Fri Mar 22 15:32:52 2019, in response to Re: Should the city take back its buses and subways?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Mar 22 10:17:41 2019. The bike numbers are likely inflated by delivery services. In the evenings when there's food to be delivered, by far most of the bikes on the road in that neighborhood are doing just that. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Mar 22 16:43:13 2019, in response to Re: Should the city take back its buses and subways?, posted by Jace on Fri Mar 22 15:32:52 2019. The bike numbers are likely inflated by delivery services. In the evenings...Inbound bike crossings of 60th St CBD cordon between 7 and 10am: 4261. Inbound bus passengers crossing 60th St cordon bet 7 and 10 am: 9553. Outbound bikes 5-8pm: 6,588 Outbound buses 5-8pm: 10,080 |
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Posted by numbersix on Fri Mar 22 16:56:24 2019, in response to Re: Should the city take back its buses and subways?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Mar 17 01:28:18 2019. Most of the nuns I knew could hold their own in a fair fight. Those rulers were deadly. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Mar 22 18:01:18 2019, in response to Re: Should the city take back its buses and subways?, posted by numbersix on Fri Mar 22 16:56:24 2019. For real.Its SPECIFICALLY THE ONE REASON why I severely dislike them to this day. Buncha damn sadist. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Mar 22 18:35:08 2019, in response to Re: Should the city take back its buses and subways?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Mar 21 20:31:42 2019. 1969-1970. “Often" was usually every day. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Mar 22 19:29:51 2019, in response to Re: Should the city take back its buses and subways?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Mar 17 19:36:48 2019. I had a friend bus driver that I rode with in Philadelphia, while going to Drexel University (was previously DIT). . When I was working my co-op job days for the 3 months, winters and summers, I would ride his routes night and weekends. On those trips, he put his hand over the fare box, so I got free rides. He passed away in 2002, I miss him. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Mar 22 19:57:25 2019, in response to Re: Should the city take back its buses and subways?, posted by randyo on Fri Mar 22 18:35:08 2019. usually every day."usually" every day isn't every day. N.B. you're trying to show that keying-by was necessary to maintain the shorter headways. If there was a single example where the shorter headways were maintained without keying-by, then you have failed. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Mar 23 16:25:08 2019, in response to Re: Should the city take back its buses and subways?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Mar 22 19:57:25 2019. I’m not necessarily saying that keying by was absolutely essential in maintaining close headways, but it certainly helped. |
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