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Posted by Allan on Tue Jan 8 13:51:12 2019 https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-metro-cuomo-mta-blow-it-up-20190107-story.html"Cuomo wants to 'blow up' the MTA after L train debacle By KENNETH LOVETT and DAN RIVOLI | NEW YORK DAILY NEWS |JAN 08, 2019 Frustrated by what he sees as an entrenched bureaucracy that lacks imagination to find new ways to do things, Gov. Cuomo said Monday it’s time to rebuild the MTA from ground up. “Blow up the MTA. Blow it up,” Cuomo said during a meeting with the Daily News Editorial Board. Cuomo picks the MTA’s chariman and its CEO. But to Daily News editors, he griped that the agency — created in 1968 to consolidate transportation services in New York and its suburbs — was created in a way that no one can claim accountability. The governor’s remarks came days after he upended a major MTA capital project — the rebuilding of the L train’s Canarsie tunnel, which runs under the East River. The MTA planned to shut the tunnel for 15 months starting in April. Cuomo, with a team of engineers including the deans of the Columbia and Cornell engineering schools, came up with a faster plan. "The L train is a window into a much bigger problem," Cuomo told The News. He referred to a “passive conspiracy of the transportation industrial complex” where major capital projects are undertaken with the same contractors and vendors, and no competition for designs. Construction contractors typically pad their bills to the MTA by 25% — an “MTA premium” — because of the difficulty they have dealing with agency bureaucrats. MTA board members are trying to figure out how to lower their construction costs. “The MTA is so tedious to deal with that it developed a boutique industry of people who just are willing to deal with this thing called the MTA,” Cuomo said. “And the people who know how to do it normally came from the MTA and then go to the contractor and that’s why they know how to make the connection." The MTA does sometimes move on Cuomo’s word — he was able to speed up work on the Second Ave. subway in time for its 2016 New Year’s Eve ribbon cutting, and muscle through new designs for station renovations. But Cuomo said he doesn’t feel he has real control over the MTA. “The only time I have authority is when no one else wants it,” Cuomo said. “Second Ave. subway — no one else would go near it.” He called the MTA the last entity that’s runs as a “weird convoluted hybrid designed so no politician has authority so no one gets blamed for (a fare) increase.” Cuomo last year proposed a bill that would give the governor two extra appointments to the MTA board. He controls six seats, including the chairman. Mayor de Blasio has four votes, Long Island county executives get two votes, and four county executives in the Hudson Valley share a single vote. Cuomo’s “blow it up” comment to The News is reminiscent of ex-Mayor Rudy Giuliani’s 1999 comment that the city Board of Education should be “blown up.” Since then, control of the city’s schools has been largely handed over to the mayor. But the MTA remains outside any one person’s accountability — a situation that Cuomo said is akin to the Port Authority, where “at least there are two governors accountable,” Cuomo said. He plans to continue his effort to reform the agency — Cuomo in a recent speech said one of his priorities in the first 100 days of 2019 is to restructure the MTA and find it more funding. He said he is not afraid to take responsibility for what happens at the MTA, as long as he’s not “handcuffed.” “I am unique in governors who are willing to step up and sign on the bottom line,” he said of such projects as the building of a new Tappan Zee Bridge and installation of cashless tolling. “My people think it’s an act of madness,” Cuomo said of his quest for more power over the agency. “I don’t care. I have no problem stepping up and saying it’s me. More than any other governor. But I’m not going to say ‘it’s me’ handcuffed.” In a statement, the MTA said Monday that its leadership "looks forward to working with the Governor, legislative leaders, the MTA Board and other stakeholders" on reforming the agency." |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 8 13:58:26 2019, in response to Cuomo - Blow up the MTA, posted by Allan on Tue Jan 8 13:51:12 2019. Blow it up real good, Yer Highness. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jan 8 14:09:26 2019, in response to Re: Cuomo — Blow up the MTA, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 8 13:58:26 2019. Cuomo loves to run his mouth. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Jan 8 14:31:28 2019, in response to Re: Cuomo — Blow up the MTA, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 8 13:58:26 2019. If he's on the top of the pile and an Von Wilhelm Billiam deblasio can light the fuse. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jan 8 14:37:30 2019, in response to Cuomo - Blow up the MTA, posted by Allan on Tue Jan 8 13:51:12 2019. "Authorities" were originally invented to insulate certain government functions from the entrenched patronage system of the existing structures. Funny thing, incompetent time servers , grafters, and their ilk found their ways in and we have just more of the same.Blowing it up will only be useful if at the same time we reform how we select our leaders. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 8 14:42:14 2019, in response to Re: Cuomo - Blow up the MTA, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jan 8 14:37:30 2019. "Authorities" were originally invented to insulate certain government functions from the entrenched patronage system of the existing structuresSure they were. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 8 14:48:20 2019, in response to Cuomo - Blow up the MTA, posted by Allan on Tue Jan 8 13:51:12 2019. He's the Democratic Trump. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 8 14:59:20 2019, in response to Cuomo - Blow up the MTA, posted by Allan on Tue Jan 8 13:51:12 2019. Sounds like Cuomo wants to "sound tough" to people outside New York ahead of a possible Presidential bid. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 8 15:30:31 2019, in response to Re: Cuomo - Blow up the MTA, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 8 14:59:20 2019. Bless your heart. |
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Posted by Bzuck on Tue Jan 8 16:57:07 2019, in response to Cuomo - Blow up the MTA, posted by Allan on Tue Jan 8 13:51:12 2019. Dear Prince Andrew,Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jan 8 17:03:15 2019, in response to Cuomo - Blow up the MTA, posted by Allan on Tue Jan 8 13:51:12 2019. Ok, Prince. You're the governor, what is the alternative?What are you going to replace it with? Are you going to give whole responsibility to the City of New York to run and finance the subway? |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jan 8 17:14:19 2019, in response to Re: Cuomo - Blow up the MTA, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jan 8 17:03:15 2019. LOL at Cuomo!!! |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jan 8 17:15:28 2019, in response to Cuomo - Blow up the MTA, posted by Allan on Tue Jan 8 13:51:12 2019. That's right. Let's drain the swamp!ROAR |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 8 17:20:19 2019, in response to Cuomo - Blow up the MTA, posted by Allan on Tue Jan 8 13:51:12 2019. A NY version of Rahm Emanuel.He effectively controls top positions at MTA and its subsidiaries as it is. |
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Posted by chud1 on Tue Jan 8 17:54:25 2019, in response to Re: Cuomo — Blow up the MTA, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Jan 8 14:31:28 2019. can cuomo be arrested for making a threat to kill the people who work at da mta?chud1. :(..... |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jan 8 18:23:35 2019, in response to Cuomo - Blow up the MTA, posted by Allan on Tue Jan 8 13:51:12 2019. The problem with the way the MTA structure is set up is that it is s neither fish nor fowl type of agency that involves a lot of finger pointing. What should have been done is set it up so that there is no separate LIRR, M/N, TBTA, NYCT, MABSTOA SIR or MTA Bus. Those former agencies could either have remained as separate only for purposes of satisfying the bondholders or else have all bonds of the separate agencies redeem for MTA bonds of equivalent value for the entire agency. Existing pension systems that are grandfathered in can be left in place and a new all MTA pension system established for all new hires. The former agencies would become divisions of the total MTA at large and all employees would become employees of the total MTA. That would probably place the entire MTA under the FRA and other federal agencies but that probably would not be a bad idea. There could be one president for all the MTA rail facilities and another for all MTA bus operations with asst VPs and other officials in charge of those respective divisions. In fact, in retrospect, maybe the TBTA should be spun off entirely since it does not actually operate any rail or bus lines leaving the MTA to be strictly a mass transit governing body with the managers made accountable for all the agency’s operations instead of having presidents of the various constituent semi self governing agencies able to point fingers at each other and having no one accountable. |
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Posted by Allan on Tue Jan 8 18:47:14 2019, in response to Re: Cuomo - Blow up the MTA, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jan 8 17:03:15 2019. "Are you going to give whole responsibility to the City of New York to run and finance the subway?"NO. DON'T DO THAT!!!! It'd be shut down within a week. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Jan 8 18:59:10 2019, in response to Re: Cuomo - Blow up the MTA, posted by Allan on Tue Jan 8 18:47:14 2019. It would be better off than it is today... |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jan 8 19:14:25 2019, in response to Re: Cuomo - Blow up the MTA, posted by randyo on Tue Jan 8 18:23:35 2019. We do benefit from the separation of MNRR and LIRR, to a point - indirect competition. If either RR tries something and it does well, the other can be pressured into copying the idea by the overarching MTA. I suspect that is the only reason LIRR has dual modes. MNRR also does a few other things better like their zoned approach to off-peak service. If they were under the same umbrella, least common denominator would apply (well dual modes aren't really working out for the ex LIRR routes, they really are a terrible idea and we should go back to making everyone transfer to diesel trains at South Norwalk and Croton Harmon). If you don't think that would happen, look at what happened with the subway: Despite 100% of the ex IND benefiting from 75'ers, due to the ex BMT not being able to handle them, we're not buying them anymore. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 8 19:32:25 2019, in response to Re: Cuomo - Blow up the MTA, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jan 8 17:03:15 2019. Nah; merge it with Amtrak. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 8 19:33:50 2019, in response to Re: Cuomo - Blow up the MTA, posted by randyo on Tue Jan 8 18:23:35 2019. Bull. More centralization means a lot less service. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 8 19:35:49 2019, in response to Re: Cuomo - Blow up the MTA, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jan 8 19:14:25 2019. The original way was not transferring at Croton but changing engines. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 8 19:42:15 2019, in response to Re: Cuomo - Blow up the MTA, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jan 8 19:14:25 2019. 75' cars were terrible for ingess/egress/dwell times on the E & F trains. That's why the E train never got them back after the R46 GOH. When they "temporarily" got R32's when R46's were sent upstate, E train performance got better. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Jan 8 21:50:19 2019, in response to Re: Cuomo — Blow up the MTA, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Jan 8 14:31:28 2019. +500 |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 8 21:55:27 2019, in response to Re: Cuomo — Blow up the MTA, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Jan 8 14:31:28 2019. I'll buy a ticket to that one. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Jan 8 21:56:30 2019, in response to Cuomo - Blow up the MTA, posted by Allan on Tue Jan 8 13:51:12 2019. The time to do that would have been right after it started in 1968. Then maybe there would not have been this horrible color scheme: (Picked a pic of an R-30 just to piss off Luch LOL) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 8 23:29:04 2019, in response to Re: Cuomo - Blow up the MTA, posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 8 14:48:20 2019. He alone can fix it. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jan 9 01:35:34 2019, in response to Re: Cuomo — Blow up the MTA, posted by chud1 on Tue Jan 8 17:54:25 2019. Good question |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jan 9 01:36:51 2019, in response to Re: Cuomo - Blow up the MTA, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 8 19:32:25 2019. Nah man bring back the BRT man |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jan 9 01:38:02 2019, in response to Re: Cuomo — Blow up the MTA, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 8 21:55:27 2019. Sponsored by Geraldo Rivera |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jan 9 01:42:47 2019, in response to Re: Cuomo - Blow up the MTA, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Jan 8 21:56:30 2019. That looks like Ray Nitschke behind the wheel there. I didn't know he owned a brake handle!?! |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jan 9 04:11:02 2019, in response to Re: Cuomo - Blow up the MTA, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 8 19:33:50 2019. Not if it’s done right! |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jan 9 04:11:55 2019, in response to Re: Cuomo - Blow up the MTA, posted by R30A on Tue Jan 8 18:59:10 2019. It actually worked better when the Board of Transportation ran it before the original NYCTA was created. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jan 9 04:16:55 2019, in response to Re: Cuomo - Blow up the MTA, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Jan 8 21:56:30 2019. I agree. As I have mentioned in many posts, The R-36/R-10 racing stripe scheme should have been applied to the entire fleet. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jan 9 07:57:27 2019, in response to Re: Cuomo - Blow up the MTA, posted by randyo on Tue Jan 8 18:23:35 2019. The MTA is set up the way it is so that blame, responsibility and finger pointing NEVER return to the irresponsible higher ups.THAT is intentional. Both the Mayor and the Governator can dodge the blame. The buck DOES NOT stop here, they just keep pouring in more bucks, ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jan 9 07:59:34 2019, in response to Re: Cuomo - Blow up the MTA, posted by randyo on Wed Jan 9 04:11:02 2019. Perhaps true, but you can count on politicians for NOT doing anything right. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Jan 9 11:38:23 2019, in response to Re: Cuomo - Blow up the MTA, posted by randyo on Tue Jan 8 18:23:35 2019. The TBTA's tolls help subsidize transit. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Jan 9 11:39:26 2019, in response to Re: Cuomo - Blow up the MTA, posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 8 19:42:15 2019. That's just because they didn't make the doors wider. |
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Posted by Fine, Howard, and Fine on Wed Jan 9 12:22:41 2019, in response to Cuomo - Blow up the MTA, posted by Allan on Tue Jan 8 13:51:12 2019. So how much of this is Andrew vs Andy? I mean Cuomo vs Byford.Byford's gotta be miffed that Cuomo brought in a bunch of non-transit-background academics to visit the tunnel for a whole hour and all of a sudden he's gotta react to this grandstanding of Cuomo having the easy fix. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jan 9 12:56:44 2019, in response to Re: Cuomo — Blow up the MTA, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Jan 8 21:50:19 2019. Guess nobody got the reference I was making. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jan 9 13:32:24 2019, in response to Re: Cuomo - Blow up the MTA, posted by italianstallion on Wed Jan 9 11:38:23 2019. Yes, TRUE... So raise the tools as well.ROAR |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jan 9 14:59:05 2019, in response to Re: Cuomo - Blow up the MTA, posted by italianstallion on Wed Jan 9 11:38:23 2019. Don't they ever!But some of the roadways of those bridges could be better maintained with some of that money they take in. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Jan 9 15:14:40 2019, in response to Re: Cuomo - Blow up the MTA, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jan 9 14:59:05 2019. I don't know - almost every MTA bridge I drive on has been massively rehabbed recently and the roadways are in great shape. |
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Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Wed Jan 9 15:29:04 2019, in response to Re: Cuomo - Blow up the MTA, posted by italianstallion on Wed Jan 9 11:39:26 2019. Were/are they still 50 inches wide? That seems to be the standard for pre-NTT cars, with a few exceptions. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Wed Jan 9 16:20:12 2019, in response to Re: Cuomo - Blow up the MTA, posted by randyo on Wed Jan 9 04:11:55 2019. Maybe but the BoT couldn't raise fares during times of inflation and let to service cuts after the war and eventually to deferred maintenance. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jan 9 16:26:59 2019, in response to Re: Cuomo - Blow up the MTA, posted by italianstallion on Wed Jan 9 11:38:23 2019. They could arrange for that without having TBTA being a part of the MTA itself. |
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Posted by VictorM on Wed Jan 9 16:49:20 2019, in response to Re: Cuomo — Blow up the MTA, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jan 9 12:56:44 2019. I see I'm not the only one who remembers SCTV. That was a great show. |
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Posted by VictorM on Wed Jan 9 16:55:44 2019, in response to Re: Cuomo - Blow up the MTA, posted by randyo on Wed Jan 9 16:26:59 2019. But why should the TBTA give any money to the MTA if it has no say into how the MTA operates? |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jan 9 17:27:19 2019, in response to Re: Cuomo - Blow up the MTA, posted by italianstallion on Wed Jan 9 11:39:26 2019. They lost 20% of the doors. Making the doors a little wider doesn't really help. They still are 2 people wide. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jan 9 18:35:15 2019, in response to Re: Cuomo - Blow up the MTA, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Jan 8 21:56:30 2019. The R27 route sign on the left lacks Route indicator (Broadway). Did they paint it out ? |
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