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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Nov 13 12:59:32 2018, in response to Anable Basin, posted by AlM on Tue Nov 13 12:38:59 2018. Here's the site:
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Posted by AlM on Tue Nov 13 13:01:12 2018, in response to Re: Anable Basin, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Nov 13 12:59:32 2018. Street view |
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Posted by Dan on Tue Nov 13 13:40:56 2018, in response to Anable Basin, posted by AlM on Tue Nov 13 12:38:59 2018. The Amazon HQ will overload the existing subway and bus lines in western Queens. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Nov 13 13:43:16 2018, in response to Re: Amazon Basin, posted by Dan on Tue Nov 13 13:40:56 2018. Not.As stated before, most new hires will reverse commute from Manhattan or Brooklyn. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Nov 13 13:52:59 2018, in response to Re: Amazon Basin, posted by italianstallion on Tue Nov 13 13:43:16 2018. Plus the M from Forest Hills and the N/W from Astoria have plenty of spare capacity.It's really only the westbound 7 and E/F that can't handle lots more people. But all growth of Manhattan jobs (which is a lot more than 25K per year) impacts those lines. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Nov 13 14:12:11 2018, in response to Re: Amazon Basin, posted by Dan on Tue Nov 13 13:40:56 2018. Congratulations New York. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 13 15:21:51 2018, in response to Anable Basin, posted by AlM on Tue Nov 13 12:38:59 2018. I looked it up on Google Maps and saw the other name for it. This other name for the basin is an artifact title reflecting the former name of 45th Road: 11th Street. It has nothing to do with the present 11th Street, the former “Boulevard.” |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Nov 13 16:14:22 2018, in response to Re: Amazon Basin, posted by italianstallion on Tue Nov 13 13:43:16 2018. From Brooklyn, you would have to ride through 6th Ave Manhattan on the "M" to Court Square. Or take a year-and-day crosstown ride on the "G", with the refugees from the "L" shutdown! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 13 16:17:28 2018, in response to Re: Amazon Basin, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Nov 13 16:14:22 2018. The G isn't as awful as you imply. The main problem is the lack of transfers to anything other than the A/C/F/L* in Brooklyn.*The transfer to the R might as well not exist. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Nov 13 16:38:15 2018, in response to Re: Amazon Basin, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Nov 13 16:14:22 2018. with the refugees from the "L" shutdownYou think Amazon will be staffed up by June 2020? And if they are, NYCT can add a few more G trains. |
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Posted by LA Scott on Tue Nov 13 16:48:29 2018, in response to Re: Amazon Basin, posted by AlM on Tue Nov 13 16:38:15 2018. They are taking over most of the Citibank building next year, but at the same time Citibank workers will be moving to Manhattan.The overall timetable is 25,000 employees in 10 years, with potentially 45,000 in 15 years. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Nov 13 16:56:43 2018, in response to Re: Amazon Basin, posted by LA Scott on Tue Nov 13 16:48:29 2018. I think the G train can handle that even with the L riders. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Nov 13 18:05:13 2018, in response to Anable Basin, posted by AlM on Tue Nov 13 12:38:59 2018. I wonder if this will breathe new life into a proposal to construct a lightrail route from Somewhere in western/downtown Brooklyn to LIC?? |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Nov 13 18:58:05 2018, in response to Re: Anable Basin, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Nov 13 18:05:13 2018. I hope not. It's way faster to take the G train and walk a few blocks. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Nov 13 20:09:54 2018, in response to Re: Anable Basin, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Nov 13 18:05:13 2018. Some of the articles have speculated that this could save the streetcar plan. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Nov 13 20:25:25 2018, in response to Re: Anable Basin, posted by italianstallion on Tue Nov 13 20:09:54 2018. Bah. Humbug. |
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Posted by VictorM on Tue Nov 13 21:47:38 2018, in response to Re: Anable Basin, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Nov 13 18:05:13 2018. Speaking of light rail I see site is only about a 10 minute walk from the LIRR Long Island City terminal. I know there was a proposal to have light rail run along the LIRR Lower Montauk branch between Jamaica and LIC. This might be a great way for people from central and eastern Queens to get to the site, or the LIRR might restore passenger service on the branch to avoid overloading the Main Line once ESA opens. |
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Posted by LA Scott on Tue Nov 13 21:55:00 2018, in response to Re: Anable Basin, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Nov 13 18:05:13 2018. I'm sure that the light rail supporters will try to make that case, but nothing in any of the Amazon, NYS, or NYC statements and documents even hint at it.In contrast, in Arlington the documents specifically mention improvements to the Crystal City and (soon to be under construction) Potomac Yards stations. |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Tue Nov 13 21:56:21 2018, in response to Anable Basin, posted by AlM on Tue Nov 13 12:38:59 2018. Congratulations New York. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Nov 13 23:08:16 2018, in response to Re: Anable Basin, posted by LA Scott on Tue Nov 13 21:55:00 2018. "...but nothing in any of the Amazon, NYS, or NYC statements and documents even hint at it."So far. Do we know of every incentive Cuomo (going over mayor DeB's head again) offered Amazon to get to come here? IMO in time more of what went on (or under) the table will come out to encourage them to set up shop in LIC. |
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Posted by LA Scott on Wed Nov 14 06:54:59 2018, in response to Re: Anable Basin, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Nov 13 23:08:16 2018. The Memorandum of Understanding signed by the Amazon, NYS, and NYC is available for anyone to view.There could have been some more promises made, but since even the MOU is largely non-binding, those promises mean nothing. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Nov 14 07:02:16 2018, in response to Re: Anable Basin, posted by AlM on Tue Nov 13 13:01:12 2018. That looks like a lot of space that the DOE is going to lose. I wonder if that Bar & Grill by the East River will remain? :-) |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Nov 14 07:05:25 2018, in response to Re: Amazon Basin, posted by AlM on Tue Nov 13 13:52:59 2018. The M train has plenty of extra capacity? I would think that the M would have its share of people heading for 53rd St or 6th Ave. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Wed Nov 14 08:11:22 2018, in response to Re: Anable Basin, posted by Chicagomotorman on Tue Nov 13 21:56:21 2018. Now we the taxpayers have to subsidize the richest man in the world. Way to go Prince Andrew! |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Wed Nov 14 08:13:34 2018, in response to Re: Amazon Basin, posted by 3-9 on Wed Nov 14 07:05:25 2018. The N/W are packed as it is and are severely limited by the Ditmars Terminal, which limits it to 15 because of the lack of tail tracks, and the slow-speed crossovers. As it is, a staircase is closed making the platforms and mezzanine really congested. They have been looking into adding crossovers to allow trains at Astoria Boulevard. The long-term solution is to extend it to LGA with a yard over ConEd. If only Amazon could chip in for these improvements-The BMT Amazon Line. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Nov 14 08:42:38 2018, in response to Re: Amazon Basin, posted by 3-9 on Wed Nov 14 07:05:25 2018. Northbound M trains in the morning aren't really packed. They can also add more of them (and will for the L shutdown) in both directions. Bite the bullet and station 5 platform conductors at Continental to clean people out fast at the last stop. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Nov 14 08:43:08 2018, in response to Re: Amazon Basin, posted by Union Tpke on Wed Nov 14 08:13:34 2018. I don't believe there are 15 N/Ws running - last I looked it was a peak of 13. |
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Posted by northshore on Wed Nov 14 09:17:03 2018, in response to Anable Basin, posted by AlM on Tue Nov 13 12:38:59 2018. The site is directly on the Rast River. The Amazon planners I am sure factored that into selection of the site for ferry service from various locations. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Wed Nov 14 10:00:43 2018, in response to Re: Amazon Basin, posted by Union Tpke on Wed Nov 14 08:13:34 2018. That is the limit. They can only add 2 more TPH. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Nov 14 10:11:35 2018, in response to Re: Anable Basin, posted by northshore on Wed Nov 14 09:17:03 2018. The Astoria line of the DeBlasio Steamship Company already stops right there, service to Astoria, Roosevelt Island, 34th St, and Pier 11 |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Nov 14 10:24:06 2018, in response to Re: Anable Basin, posted by 3-9 on Wed Nov 14 07:02:16 2018. Since I work in that DOE building, I wonder where I'm going? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Nov 14 10:25:59 2018, in response to Re: Anable Basin, posted by Union Tpke on Wed Nov 14 08:11:22 2018. Thats one way he got to be the richest man in the world.Having said that; what he was able to get is nothing new. Municipal tax breaks to private companies happen all the time. Two examples come to mind. First, The Dodgers O'Malley got Chaves Ravine handed to him on a silver platter. He got the concessions, parking & various other breaks. Los Angeles wanted the Dodgers, they got 'em thanks to the incentives O'Malley got. Next is General Motors v/s NY State. In the mid 80s, they announced that they were closing their Tarrytown Plant. Reason given was that they could not ship their Luminas in the excess height auto carriers they needed to use to move more vehicles. NYS countered with a proposal to raise all the bridges & overpasses so the excess height cars would fit, which they did. GM went along with this, but only promised to keep the plant open for another 5 years. NYS signed off on the deal gambling that they would change their minds & keep the plant open way beyond 5 yrs. All this work paid (millions) for by the taxpayer. So The Tarrytown plant did stay open longer than 5 yrs. They they closed it in 6. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Nov 14 10:27:24 2018, in response to Re: Anable Basin, posted by northshore on Wed Nov 14 09:17:03 2018. Of course. Ferry capacity sucks relative to subways, though. The entire ferry system being put into place for the L shutdown corresponds to about 1 train per hour. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Nov 14 10:32:21 2018, in response to Re: Amazon Basin, posted by Union Tpke on Wed Nov 14 10:00:43 2018. 2 tph is 3000 passengers per hour. More than Amazon's 25,000 workers will need, since only a small fraction will be coming from Astoria. |
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Posted by LA Scott on Wed Nov 14 10:38:22 2018, in response to Re: Anable Basin, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Nov 14 10:24:06 2018. There is a separate section in the Memorandum of Understanding devoted to that building.Amazon has until March 2019 to decide if they really want the building. If they do, the DOE will vacate by January 1, 2022. It's up to the city to find a new location. |
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Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Wed Nov 14 11:21:02 2018, in response to Re: Anable Basin, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Nov 14 10:24:06 2018. Is that one of the DOE IT buildings? I worked for DIIT for 8 years and had to go to one near Court Sq. a bunch of times for training and "workshops" |
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Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Wed Nov 14 11:24:14 2018, in response to Re: Anable Basin, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Nov 14 10:24:06 2018. Is that one of the DOE IT buildings? I worked for DIIT for 8 years and had to go to one near Court Sq. a bunch of times for training and "workshops" |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Nov 14 11:47:33 2018, in response to Re: Anable Basin, posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Wed Nov 14 11:24:14 2018. Years ago it was Bd of Ed Bureau of Supply, not sure what it is used for now... |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Nov 14 14:00:13 2018, in response to Re: Amazon Basin, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 13 16:17:28 2018. If the "G" was restored to/from Queens Forest Hills, it would be much better for riders wishing to go to this Amazon complex. There is no reason why they cannot terminate the "W" at Queens Plaza and have it relay on the middle track- D5. It only shares the D3 & D4 tracks with the "E" from Queens Plaza to 53rd St & 5th Ave. This way, "E", "R", and "W" riders would have access to Amazon from Brooklyn, Queens and Manhattan. If you don't want a 24/7 "W" service to/from Queens Plaza, have the "F" run via 63rd St, late nights. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Nov 14 14:08:37 2018, in response to Re: Amazon Basin, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Nov 14 14:00:13 2018. If the "G" was restored to/from Queens Forest Hills, it would be much better for riders wishing to go to this Amazon complex.That's called the "M" now. The M portion of 23rd/Court House Square is actually to the site than the G portion. The W is needed to provide service to/from Astoria in excess of what the N needs to provide in Brooklyn. If you terminate the W at Queens Plaza, you need a lot more Ns. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Nov 14 14:33:42 2018, in response to Re: Anable Basin, posted by LA Scott on Wed Nov 14 10:38:22 2018. I hope they keep it. The building looks OK, and it's big, but not tall. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Nov 14 17:25:13 2018, in response to Re: Amazon Basin, posted by AlM on Wed Nov 14 14:08:37 2018. I meant to terminate the "M" at Queens Plaza and relay back to Manhattan on the middle track, east of the station. and run the "F" as an express from 63rd St to Roosevelt Ave, and beyond. Sorry for the mistake! Manhattan, Brooklyn, and Queens residents could use Queens Plaza as a transfer point to catch the "G" to Court Square. that Court square elevated/subway transfer is a L-O-N-G walk! |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Nov 14 18:15:58 2018, in response to Re: Amazon Basin, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Nov 14 17:25:13 2018. Even with Amazon’s presence, it really makes no sense to remove a QB lcl line with direct access to Manhattan with a service than would require outer Queens passengers to change for Manhattan service just to please passengers bound for one station. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Nov 14 19:42:11 2018, in response to Anable Basin, posted by AlM on Tue Nov 13 12:38:59 2018. I'd heard the name before. |
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Thu Nov 15 14:43:23 2018, in response to Re: Anable Basin, posted by LA Scott on Wed Nov 14 10:38:22 2018. It seems the matter has been decided already: "Education Department officials confirmed Thursday that the city’s embattled Office of Pupil Transportation and other important public school functions will be evicted from their longstanding headquarters in Governor Cuomo and Mayor de Blasio’s controversial plan to bring Amazon to the city." |
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Posted by LA Scott on Thu Nov 15 15:07:55 2018, in response to Re: Anable Basin, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Thu Nov 15 14:43:23 2018. That assumes Amazon decides they want the building.They intentionally gave themselves 4+ more months to look into building and make a final decision. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Nov 15 15:39:43 2018, in response to Re: Amazon Basin, posted by randyo on Wed Nov 14 18:15:58 2018. Outer Queens would still have the "E", "F", and "R". People taking the "F" would still have express service via 63rd St from Roosevelt Ave, bypassing Queens Plaza. "E" would still run express from Roosevelt Ave to Queens Plaza. The local station users between Roosevelt and QP could easily change for the "M", terminating at QP. Restoring the "G" to Forest Hills would also ease overcrowding on the already heavily used "#7" line with increased patronage to/from the Court Square complex. Unless, you want to add some rush hour 10 car "M" trains, which would short-turn at Second Ave, since the Eastern Division can only hold 8 car trains. |
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