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Tuscarora Almanac for September 22 |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Sep 22 10:00:14 2018 Tuscarora Almanac – September 22, 1930 – The Book of First Runs South Orange, New Jersey Delaware, Lackawanna & Western Railroad Electric train service on the Morristown Line is extended from Newark to South Orange, New Jersey. Source: New York Division Bulletin / August 1980 / article by Mr. Bernard Linder Tuscarora Almanac – September 22, 1959 – The Book of Wrecks Rockaway Park, Queens, New York New York City Transit Authority IND Division R-1 273 is badly damaged after hitting a bumping block in the Rockaway Park Yard. The car body is scrapped in 1960. Source: New York Division Bulletin / December 1960 Tuscarora Almanac - September 22, 1976 - The Book of Last Runs The Bronx, New York New York City Transit Authority IND Division This is the last day of service of IND pre-WWII cars on the IND Division. The last train ran as a “CC” Concourse-8th Avenue-Fulton St Local and left Bedford Park Boulevard at 4:49PM and arrived at Euclid Avenue at 6:05 PM. The consist was (N) 1057, 937, 1283, 1294, 1132, 1004, 1145 and 1314. All were R-6’s. Source: New York Division Bulletin / October 1976 Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22 |
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Posted by W.B. on Sat Sep 22 14:16:47 2018, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Sep 22 10:00:14 2018. I do remember the 'Arnines' holding down the CC in the 1975-76 period. The groan as the trains were gathering speed can be heard in my head to this very day - and such memories come flooding back every year on the Holiday trains.I presume the R-10's replaced these old pre-WWII's on that line? |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sat Sep 22 14:38:45 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by W.B. on Sat Sep 22 14:16:47 2018. Not yet, as there was a mix of R-10's, R-32's, and for a while slanted R-40's on the "CC". The R-10's were still in there on the "A" until officially on Thursday, October 20, 1977, when the slanted R-40's came into on the line with the R-44's, and the R-10's then went to the "CC" in bulk. Any extra R-10's went to the "GG" one month later in November 1977.-William A. Padron ["59"] |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22 |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Sep 22 17:18:16 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by William A. Padron on Sat Sep 22 14:38:45 2018. I remember when the R-10s started showing up under Queens Blvd. Forrest Hills, Kew Gardens & Jamaica clientele screamed like hell. After being teased with R-44/46s, the R-10s were though5t of as misplaced junk. Admittadly, they looked in pretty rough shape by the time they got to Jamaica.I couldn't help notice how the E,F & GG route destination signs looked so clean in service on those lines. Considering how they probably were never used on those cars before, that would be the explanation. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 22 23:26:04 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Sep 22 17:18:16 2018. Their A signs were most likely quite dirty. One R-10 Fred train had a chance to strut its stuff in 1981. Led by 3080, it streaked along Queens Blvd., then once it reached the Hillside Ave. stretch, it kicked on the afterburners, ripping past Sutphin Blvd. at breakneck speed. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 22 23:27:35 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by William A. Padron on Sat Sep 22 14:38:45 2018. The slants were a worthy successor to the immortal Thunderbirds on the Abbott. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22 |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Sep 23 03:10:46 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by W.B. on Sat Sep 22 14:16:47 2018. For the CC extended route...the R32s were pressed into service. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22 |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sun Sep 23 14:05:43 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 22 23:26:04 2018. The comments I heard when the R-10's went to the Queens IND were from "What's the 'A" train doing here?" (on the "GG" at Woodhaven Boulevard in 1977) to "Looks it came out from mothballs" (on the "F" at 47th-50th/Rockefeller Center in 1980). Yes, the "A" route and destinations on the side roll signs became that dirty, and also particularly on the front route roll signs with some wearing hash residue marks seen for the "AA".-William A. Padron ["Fulton-Lefferts Blvd."] |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22 |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sun Sep 23 14:12:34 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 22 23:27:35 2018. I thought the slanted R-40's at least looked a bit better after their GOH in 1988-1989, and then I accepted them that way when went back to the "A" for their second tour out there until their retirement. In the first time around on the "A", I was that totally into those cars initially, just as the R-44's that came over there too.-William A. Padron ["59"] |
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CORRECTION Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22 |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sun Sep 23 14:13:46 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by William A. Padron on Sun Sep 23 14:12:34 2018. Make that NOT that totally at first. Stand corrected.-William A. Padron ["190"] |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Sep 23 14:45:47 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by William A. Padron on Sun Sep 23 14:12:34 2018. Never will forget that rocket ride on a slant Abbott up CPW on Easter Sunday in 1978. I wish I'd timed it; it had to be right around five minutes. Those local stops were blurs. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Sep 23 14:49:54 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by William A. Padron on Sun Sep 23 14:05:43 2018. To mark the 51st anniversary of my allegiance to the A being carved in granite, I signed my front destination sign to Wash. Hts 207th St. We were on a n/b A that day in 1967 and as we crept past 23rd St. with I-beams on either side of us, that sealed the deal. THIS was a true 8th Ave. Express. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22 |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Sep 23 16:57:57 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by William A. Padron on Sun Sep 23 14:12:34 2018. I always thought the Slanted front made those cars especially suited to express service- it just made them more aggressive, somehow.In their last few years, they spent a lot of time on the W... (2004-2010 version), which seemed such a waste. But walking on Whitehall Street, I could hear them easily through the grates. They were REALLY loud. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22 |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Mon Sep 24 04:15:57 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by W.B. on Sat Sep 22 14:16:47 2018. Nope. The R10s were always on the CC as far back as I remember. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Sep 24 05:28:45 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Sep 23 16:57:57 2018. Not as loud as the R-10s. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Mon Sep 24 06:43:45 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by W.B. on Sat Sep 22 14:16:47 2018. No. The R32s replaced the R6s. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22 |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 25 13:13:08 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Mon Sep 24 04:15:57 2018. When the R10's were on the A, R1/9's were on the CC.Likely before your time. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22 |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 25 13:18:14 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Sep 24 05:28:45 2018. Don't be so sure. There were lots of slants with badly spotted wheels in the bad old days. They did rumble like an R10. So did many R38's.GOH and better maintenance afterwards solved that problem. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22 |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Sep 25 15:33:53 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 25 13:18:14 2018. My earliest subway memories are of the Slants on the E & F. The slanted nose and loud noise made them seem like "real" express trains, somehow. Seeing them on all-local routes (like the L and W) just seemed WRONG to me.The other day, I posted about how there are very few cases of them running on the D. It also seems that they never, in 41 years, ran on the RR or R.... |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22 |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Sep 25 15:51:51 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Sep 25 15:33:53 2018. Oh yeah...they did a very short run on the R..and the J even.Not long..and Only a few sets. As for the J...it was a borrowed set just to make service,I suppose. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22 |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Sep 25 16:16:21 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Mon Sep 24 04:15:57 2018. Nope.The A was the R10..And the R10S were the A LINE. BETWEEN 1948 AND THE LATE 70S,the 10s were a constant on the A Line. The R40/44 cars actually replaced them. The 38s that were on the B swapped out the 40s..which also displaced the 44s which disappeared for awhile completely. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22 |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Sep 25 16:32:58 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by Edwards! on Tue Sep 25 16:16:21 2018. There were even sufficient R-10s so that a few would show up on the AA/BB especially on weekends. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Sep 25 19:15:38 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by Edwards! on Tue Sep 25 16:16:21 2018. The R-10s will be associated with the line they were tailor-made for, the Abbott, forever. One of the smartest moves ever made by the BoT was assigning them to the line made famous by Duke Ellington. And it really WAS the quickest way to get to Harlem when there was still RAPID transit. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Sep 25 19:16:43 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Mon Sep 24 04:15:57 2018. The R-10s still ruled the A with a iron fist when I became immersed in the subway system in 1967. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22 |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 25 19:54:45 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Sep 25 15:33:53 2018. During one of the Manhattan Bridge closures when you had the B and R going to Astoria, slants did run on the R.Trains that would lay up from both lines the night before had to be swapped as put ins the next morning because they would have to come out in a scheduled order. Same thing is done today with the N/W which are now laid up at Astoria middle. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Sep 25 20:29:43 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Sep 25 19:15:38 2018. The new R units are changing how we view the subwayWhile the older cars such as the 32s to 68 actually FEEL SLOW...The 143 to 179 are speedy where track conditions allow it. Thats refreshing in this age of leisure transportation. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22 |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Tue Sep 25 20:32:44 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Sep 25 15:33:53 2018. The R40s indeed appeared on the D in regular service. I personally saw them between 1983-84, but not many. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22 |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Tue Sep 25 20:37:36 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 25 13:13:08 2018. Not likely at all before my time. During the late '60s to the late '70s (during my time the R10s dominated the A train and a few sets were always on the CC. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Tue Sep 25 20:38:16 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 25 13:13:08 2018. Not likely at all before my time. During the late '60s to the late '70s (during my time) the R10s dominated the A train and a few sets were always on the CC. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Sep 25 21:01:09 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by Edwards! on Tue Sep 25 20:29:43 2018. I recall when the R-32s could pass any other piece of equipment like it was standing still. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Sep 25 21:02:27 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Tue Sep 25 20:38:16 2018. I don’t recall seeing any R-10s on the CC till after 1970. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Tue Sep 25 21:55:06 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by Edwards! on Tue Sep 25 16:16:21 2018. Nope the R10s were always on the CC during the late '60s (don't know when they started appearing on the CC) up until retirement. I would know this since I lived along the CC (don't know when they started appearing on the CC) and rode on or along the CC (on the A or D) almost everyday.Also the R44s didn't replace the R10s. When the R44s were first assigned to the A around '72 or '73 only approximately 50 of them give or take a few which, along with the R42s was hardly enough to replace the R10s. In 1976 that set of R44s were sent to the D. From that point until Spring of '77 there were NO R44s assigned to the A. In late Spring '77 Jamaica sent their R44s to the A. This only resulted in MORE R10s being sent to the CC. The R10s still dominated the A. During that time the TA was shortening trains during non-rush hours only. Eventually when the trains were shortened, the R44s provided all the service. Other than that, during rush hours and holidays the R10s dominated. When the R40s arrived on the A the second time in October '77, that's what replaced the R10s. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22 |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Tue Sep 25 21:59:08 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by randyo on Tue Sep 25 16:32:58 2018. From '74 to '76 they were also regularly assigned to the AA/B at all times.Every once in awhile the D would borrow a set from the CC. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Tue Sep 25 22:01:06 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by randyo on Tue Sep 25 21:02:27 2018. Nycsubway.org also has pictures from 1969. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Tue Sep 25 22:04:09 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Sep 25 19:16:43 2018. LOL. That's right-until the R40s replaced them in October 1977. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Tue Sep 25 22:07:55 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Tue Sep 25 21:55:06 2018. As a matter of fact, that didn't totally kill the R10s off the A. There was always a couple of sets of R10 on the A until 1984. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Sep 26 01:09:34 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Tue Sep 25 22:01:06 2018. I worked the CC for a week in late 1969 and that week there were no R-10s on the CC. A couple of my trains even had R-1s in the consist. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Sep 26 01:15:11 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Tue Sep 25 22:07:55 2018. I was the zone trainmaster for the Bkln IND from August of 1983 to the spring of 1984 and during my time there, the CC was 100% R-10s with some of the remaining R-10s assigned to the GG. The only equipment on the A at that time were R-38s, 40 slants and 44s. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Sep 26 01:16:18 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Tue Sep 25 21:59:08 2018. In early 1970, I had train of R-10s on the B in 57 St service which was odd since the R-10s didn’t have 57 St destination signs. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22 |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Sep 26 04:09:32 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by randyo on Wed Sep 26 01:09:34 2018. There were 51 other weeks in 1969. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Sep 26 05:07:08 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by randyo on Wed Sep 26 01:15:11 2018. I don't know where you worked but you clearly must notm have worked the A or the CC during August of 83. Yes indeed there were R38s, R40s, and R44s on the A at that time. When the R44s came back to the A in Spring '83, that pushed most of the R38s to the CC-in fact during that time, there were more R38s than R10s on the CC. In fact a couple of R38s made there back to the AA/B as well.I don't know for sure what happened to some of the R10s on the CC, but from what I understand that's when they started scrapping R10s. In fact someone just posted that a few days ago. However by August '83 to '85 the A had R38s, R40s, and R44s with an occasional R10. The CC had R10s and R38s. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22 |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 26 09:31:44 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by randyo on Wed Sep 26 01:15:11 2018. That's how I remember it as well. When I was in high school in the early 80s, the GG was R10s, which for some reason ran in five car trains and 4 car trains of R46s. Occasionally you would also get a GG train of R32s. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Sep 26 16:20:19 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Sep 26 04:09:32 2018. True, but working vacation relief, I had the opportunity to see what was running on just about every line on the bMT/IND and when I worked out of Concourse yard which I did frequently, I saw no R-10s there. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Sep 26 16:28:10 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Sep 26 05:07:08 2018. During the winter of 1983/84, cold weather plans requiring most trains to be laid up underground and all the CCs that were laid up N/O Euclid were R-10s and the R-10s in Pitkin Yd for inspection were for CC service. The R-38s and 40s that were in Rockaway service were round robins that went into A service upon departure from Far Rock at the start of the AM rush. Since the cold weather plan was in effect I had to remain at Euclid for most of the AM rush and the CC was all R-10s from what I saw. On rare occasions, I was sent to Queens when we were short trainmasters and the GG putins out there were R-10s and many times 7 car trains instead 8. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22 |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Sep 26 16:54:04 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 26 09:31:44 2018. Sometime in late 1983/early 1984, when the N went to Ctl, someone downtown came up with the idea of cutting 8 car N trains of R-46s into 2 4 car trains after the AM rush , one of which would be used for an N and the other for a GG. GGs consisting of R-10s would lay up solid. Just before the PM rush a 4 car N and a 4 car GG would add to make an 8 car N and an GG consisting of R-10s would be put in. At that time all Ns were 8 cars including trains of R-32s and often 4 car trains of R-32s would be operated on both the N and the GG. While 4 cars on the GG were not that critical, the 4 car Ns were extremely overcrowded and the service pattern was eventually dropped. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22 |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 26 17:00:23 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by randyo on Wed Sep 26 16:54:04 2018. I remember the four car 32s on the GG. In fact in the mid-80s when I was in college, there were a lot of 32s on the GG after the tens were taken off of it, but in the early 80s I remember mostly 46s and 10s on the GG |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Sep 26 18:26:57 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by randyo on Tue Sep 25 21:01:09 2018. As Big Ed put it in his book, They Moved the Millions, "They jumped like jackrabbits." |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Sep 26 18:28:22 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Tue Sep 25 21:59:08 2018. I rode on an R-10 D train once in 1979 or '80. While the end signs at the points were set to D, the other eight cars had CC signs at the ends. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Sep 26 18:30:16 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Tue Sep 25 22:04:09 2018. The slants were a worthy successor. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22 |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Sep 26 18:55:25 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 22, posted by randyo on Wed Sep 26 16:54:04 2018. That whole nonsense just didnt make sense.The Eastern Division did the same thing. Crowded trains...folks jammed into crappy hot cars. |
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