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LIRR 'telephone' bell

Posted by jrr4 on Tue Jul 17 20:29:53 2018

I've never ridden the LIRR but watched a RFW video today. What's the bell that often rings? It soulds like an old fashioned telephone bell.

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Re: LIRR 'telephone' bell

Posted by Joe on Tue Jul 17 21:10:05 2018, in response to LIRR 'telephone' bell, posted by jrr4 on Tue Jul 17 20:29:53 2018.

I'm not an expert, but on the older cars with the small cabs, you could hear the telephone bell every time the speed restriction dropped. I believe the engineer had to respond in two ways: hit an acknowledgement button and drop the speed appropriately. The system worked so well over decades that I (again non-expert) see no need for Positive Train Control in territory that was so-equipped.
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Approaching Jamaica, you could hear the telephone bell ring repeated as the train entered slower and slower trackage.

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Re: LIRR 'telephone' bell

Posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Tue Jul 17 21:19:28 2018, in response to Re: LIRR 'telephone' bell, posted by Joe on Tue Jul 17 21:10:05 2018.

I'm not an expert on it either, but a single continuous ring was a drop in MAS that probably had to be acknowledged. New to me is the burst of rings which probably marks an increase to MAS.

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Re: LIRR 'telephone' bell

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jul 17 21:21:08 2018, in response to Re: LIRR 'telephone' bell, posted by Joe on Tue Jul 17 21:10:05 2018.

On the (much) older equiptment, when the cab signal dropped, an air whistle sounded in the cab.

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Re: LIRR 'telephone' bell

Posted by jasonnyc on Wed Jul 18 12:42:25 2018, in response to LIRR 'telephone' bell, posted by jrr4 on Tue Jul 17 20:29:53 2018.

I hear it ring repeatedly when there's a train in front. I've always assumed it was based on speed and the moving block the driver was getting too close to the train in front and to reduce speed. I fully admit this is all based on observation and I have no real idea of what it does.

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Re: LIRR 'telephone' bell

Posted by tunnelrat on Wed Jul 18 13:16:59 2018, in response to Re: LIRR 'telephone' bell, posted by jasonnyc on Wed Jul 18 12:42:25 2018.

what you say is what it does.

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Re: LIRR 'telephone' bell

Posted by sloth on Wed Jul 18 13:31:21 2018, in response to Re: LIRR 'telephone' bell, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Tue Jul 17 21:19:28 2018.

No sound with an increase in code. You're probably hearing the alerter retrofit.

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Re: LIRR 'telephone' bell

Posted by randyo on Wed Jul 18 15:28:32 2018, in response to Re: LIRR 'telephone' bell, posted by Joe on Tue Jul 17 21:10:05 2018.

ON the newest LIRR and M/N cars, in addition to sounding when the train needs to slow down, it also sounds periodically, to alert the engineer to press the acknowledge button to avoid a brake application. This is a replacement for the traditional deadman’s button which required the engineer to either hold down the controller handle or keep it turned to avoid a BIE. Such a system is not used on rapid transit systems since the stations are too close together to make such a system useful.

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