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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue May 15 07:58:24 2018  Capital Transit (Wash DC) PCC #1058 (May 1938)  Erie RR near Sloatsburg, NY (April 1939)  IRT 241st St yard. Notice "Composites" (June 1940)  LVRR - Hazelton, PA (June 1941)  Maryland & Pennsylvania RR - York, PA (Undated)  More "Ma & Pa" - location unknown. Is that a P-54 or a P-70 coupled to Ma & Pa #20 ? (Undated)  New York Central Putnam Division - Woodlands Station (June 1945)   PRR Strafford Station (November 1941)  Philadelphia Suburban Transportion - Westchester, PA (Undated)  Philadelphia Suburban Transportation - Springfield Station (undated)  Freshly painted PST #69 at LLanerch, PA (Undated)  |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue May 15 08:12:44 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] Old & Rare 1938-1945 (Color), posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue May 15 07:58:24 2018. Mahvelous, simply mahvelous. |
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Posted by Bklynsubwaybob on Tue May 15 08:19:29 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] Old & Rare 1938-1945 (Color), posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue May 15 07:58:24 2018. Beautiful photos Bill. I never tire of them. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue May 15 08:30:08 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] Old & Rare 1938-1945 (Color), posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue May 15 07:58:24 2018. Great set of photos Bill. Thank you for posting them. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue May 15 08:34:46 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] Old & Rare 1938-1945 (Color), posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue May 15 07:58:24 2018. Quite remarkable |
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Posted by Dave on Tue May 15 09:53:12 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] Old & Rare 1938-1945 (Color), posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue May 15 07:58:24 2018. All great but particularly love that shot of PST #69! |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Tue May 15 13:44:28 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] Old & Rare 1938-1945 (Color), posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue May 15 07:58:24 2018. In photo #1, is the lead car a Penn & Reading Shore Line Car?I ask because of the Owl eye Windows and the trolley Pole. The Vineland Local at Camden, NJ (August 18, 1941)
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Posted by r17-6599 on Tue May 15 14:25:47 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] Old & Rare 1938-1945 (Color), posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue May 15 07:58:24 2018. OMG!Thanx for posting. jrc |
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Posted by DieselBusFan on Tue May 15 14:42:24 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Old & Rare 1938-1945 (Color), posted by Avid Reader on Tue May 15 13:44:28 2018. You are correct. That is a P-RSL MU train. Electric service lasted til about 1949 with service to Glassboro, Newfield, and Millville. Electric service to Atlantic City via Newfield was discontinued much earlier, about 1931. This was originally West Jersey & Seashore, a subsidiary of the PRR. |
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Posted by Bill West on Tue May 15 14:58:20 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] Old & Rare 1938-1945 (Color), posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue May 15 07:58:24 2018. Fabulous find Bill, thanks.The PRR car on the "Ma & Pa" is an mP54 steam coach. It has no washroom in the near corner while P70's had them in both diagonal corners. It is not an mPB54 combine either as their lavatory would be in this corner. Diagrams at Robert Schoenberg's site . Based on the people and the borrowed car I wonder if this is a railfan excursion. Hi Avid, the trailing car (markers) on the Vineland Local is a PRSL MP-2 wooden MU which was built with steel ends. Here's a photo roster at SJ Rails . The trolley pole was for street running in Gloucester City where third rail wasn't allowed (how would it work anyway). Bill |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue May 15 16:23:56 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Old & Rare 1938-1945 (Color), posted by DieselBusFan on Tue May 15 14:42:24 2018. I believe those cars at Camden, NJ were wood bodied and not steel.Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue May 15 16:28:16 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Old & Rare 1938-1945 (Color), posted by Bill West on Tue May 15 14:58:20 2018. Fabulous find Bill, thanks.The PRR car on the "Ma & Pa" is an mP54 steam coach. It has no washroom in the near corner while P70's had them in both diagonal corners. It is not an mPB54 combine either as their lavatory would be in this corner. Diagrams at Robert Schoenberg's site . Based on the people and the borrowed car I wonder if this is a railfan excursion. I guess you're right, it could have been a fan trip. Last run maybe ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue May 15 16:29:11 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] Old & Rare 1938-1945 (Color), posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue May 15 07:58:24 2018. +1941 |
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Posted by Dan on Tue May 15 16:49:57 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] Old & Rare 1938-1945 (Color), posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue May 15 07:58:24 2018. All beautiful! Thanks as always. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue May 15 16:56:29 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Old & Rare 1938-1945 (Color), posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue May 15 16:23:56 2018. I can’t be sure of that but they certainly look like steel to me. The design of the cars with the porthole windows seems to indicate a design contemporary with the LIRR MP54s which were steel. I don’t think that any RR would have continued to order wooden cars once it was proven that all steel cars like the IRT Gibbs and the LIRR MP-41s were practical. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue May 15 16:57:14 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] Old & Rare 1938-1945 (Color), posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue May 15 07:58:24 2018. The Washington DC car isn't a PCC. It's a Brill. Brill never joined the PCC consortium. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue May 15 16:58:34 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Old & Rare 1938-1945 (Color), posted by Bill West on Tue May 15 14:58:20 2018. AsI mentioned in my other post, why would a RR continue to order wooden coaches when the practicality of all steel construction had already been established? |
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Posted by randyo on Tue May 15 16:59:42 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] Old & Rare 1938-1945 (Color), posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue May 15 07:58:24 2018. Great photos and FYI, the proper name for the IRT yard captioned as 241 St Yd is 239 St Yd. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue May 15 18:11:11 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Old & Rare 1938-1945 (Color), posted by Bklynsubwaybob on Tue May 15 08:19:29 2018. Fantastic photos, thanks , Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue May 15 19:33:42 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Old & Rare 1938-1945 (Color), posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue May 15 16:57:14 2018. The Washington DC car isn't a PCC. It's a Brill. Brill never joined the PCC consortium.Thanks, I couldn't see the trucks very well. Brill as in Brilliner ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill West on Tue May 15 19:34:28 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Old & Rare 1938-1945 (Color), posted by randyo on Tue May 15 16:58:34 2018. Steel was practical but not cheaper, I think this was a pretense of safety on a poorly performing subsidiary. Anyway the description and picture in the linked roster confirm the reality.Bill |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue May 15 19:35:42 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Old & Rare 1938-1945 (Color), posted by randyo on Tue May 15 16:59:42 2018. Great photos and FYI, the proper name for the IRT yard captioned as 241 St Yd is 239 St Yd.Thanks, 241st St was written on the slide mount. Are those Composites OOS ? They look it. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by randyo on Tue May 15 19:44:36 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Old & Rare 1938-1945 (Color), posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue May 15 16:57:14 2018. That car is not a Brilliner but a St Louis built pre PCC. There was a total of 20 pre pCC streamliners 10 from Brill and 10 from St Louis. The one in the photo is a St Louis built car. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue May 15 19:46:48 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Old & Rare 1938-1945 (Color), posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue May 15 19:35:42 2018. They may have been since the 2 Av El to the Bx had just ceased operations and there were fewer Composites required for the remaining 3 Av exp service. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Wed May 16 13:25:12 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] Old & Rare 1938-1945 (Color), posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue May 15 07:58:24 2018. AWESOME! |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed May 16 14:15:07 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] Old & Rare 1938-1945 (Color), posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue May 15 07:58:24 2018. nice photos |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed May 16 14:23:05 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Old & Rare 1938-1945 (Color), posted by randyo on Tue May 15 19:46:48 2018. Those Composites look pretty decrepit compared with the 3-car set of gates in the foreground. My guess is that they were part of the group of Composites that were taken out of service in 1938. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed May 16 14:30:11 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Old & Rare 1938-1945 (Color), posted by Avid Reader on Tue May 15 13:44:28 2018. Is that a MP54D car? They came equipped with both third rail and also trolley poles. PRSL used them until 1949. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Wed May 16 16:42:06 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Old & Rare 1938-1945 (Color), posted by Elkeeper on Wed May 16 14:23:05 2018. Though off in the distance in this photo, in their deteriorating condition, I wonder if this was the same group of Composites shown as being ready to scrap, in one of Roger Arcara's videos (2nd & 3rd ave. el video IIRC?), of film clips he assembled from various sources. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Wed May 16 16:44:13 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] Old & Rare 1938-1945 (Color), posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue May 15 07:58:24 2018. These are beautiful. Absolutely amazing!!! The colors have held up so well. Thank you so much for posting these Bill!Are there any more Frank Schlegel color photos/ slides (?) of NYC transit during this period? |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed May 16 18:55:11 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Old & Rare 1938-1945 (Color), posted by Express Rider on Wed May 16 16:44:13 2018. Are there any more Frank Schlegel color photos/ slides (?) of NYC transit during this period?Thanks, the 239th St yard photo was the only one. Bill Newkirk |
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