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Posted by AlM on Wed Mar 7 18:44:27 2018, in response to Re: Expansion of single track Empire Connection to double track?, posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 7 18:18:39 2018. The folly is that they don't do it at other stops.Why? How many people do you think actually have to be returned because they can't make it through the border? Has any southbound train been standing room only because of all the rejectees? |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 7 18:56:27 2018, in response to Re: Expansion of single track Empire Connection to double track?, posted by AlM on Wed Mar 7 18:44:27 2018. Every trip I taken to Montreal, which is about a half dozen over the last 4 years, 1 to 3 people get pulled off at LaColle and did not make it to Montreal. on that train. Every one of them got on at NYPS and went though "Passport check". It is because of other issues. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 7 19:07:53 2018, in response to Re: Expansion of single track Empire Connection to double track?, posted by AlM on Wed Mar 7 18:44:27 2018. My point is that if you have a reason to perform that type of check (don't know and don't care) it is senseless not to do it at all stops..If there is a reason, do it all the way, if not don't bother... |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Mar 7 19:14:38 2018, in response to Re: Expansion of single track Empire Connection to double track?, posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 7 19:07:53 2018. So you didn't mean to say "folly," you meant to say "inconsistency."I would agree with that. The reason might be that they already have someone hanging around at NYP and Albany doing lots of random stuff and they can give that person one more task, while at Yonkers or Croton they'd need to actually hire an additional person. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Mar 7 19:14:56 2018, in response to Re: Expansion of single track Empire Connection to double track?, posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 7 18:56:27 2018. Canada has some very rigid policies for people entering into their country. If you have any criminal tecord, including a DWI, they will not let you enter Canada. Of course, if you are an undocumented Muslim from Syria, well then the gates are wide open. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Wed Mar 7 19:26:11 2018, in response to Re: Expansion of single track Empire Connection to double track?, posted by Q4 on Wed Mar 7 07:59:20 2018. I think with the Amtrak work taking tracks out of service, seeing LIRR on 12 was more likely than normal. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 7 19:44:22 2018, in response to Re: Expansion of single track Empire Connection to double track?, posted by AlM on Wed Mar 7 19:14:38 2018. Yes, inconsistency probably would have been clearer. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 7 19:49:46 2018, in response to Re: Expansion of single track Empire Connection to double track?, posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Mar 7 19:14:56 2018. The document check does nothing to say whether or not you will be admitted, that decision is up to Canadian border agents. I have a passport and an enhanced drivers license, either one is WHTI compliant, if I commit an offense that Canada considers a reason not to admit me, nothing on my divers license or passport would indicate that. I can still get on a train. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 7 20:11:36 2018, in response to Re: Expansion of single track Empire Connection to double track?, posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Mar 7 19:14:56 2018. True, until you got to the part about "Undocumented Muslim from Syria" There is a triple vetting process, and that is NOT done on the train at the border.Nice try though. You just wanted to get in that crack. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 7 20:14:32 2018, in response to Re: Expansion of single track Empire Connection to double track?, posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 7 19:07:53 2018. How are you going to do it at all stops when only a few of them are staffed (Rhinecliff thru Saratago) ? |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 7 20:15:38 2018, in response to Re: Expansion of single track Empire Connection to double track?, posted by AlM on Wed Mar 7 19:14:38 2018. They are not going to hire anyone. Amtrak is shutting down ticket agents all over the country by attrition. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 7 20:27:52 2018, in response to Re: Expansion of single track Empire Connection to double track?, posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 7 20:14:32 2018. I think that's the point we are making, why bother. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 7 20:28:48 2018, in response to Re: Expansion of single track Empire Connection to double track?, posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 7 20:11:36 2018. Especially as regards Canadian border agents.... |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 7 20:31:32 2018, in response to Re: Expansion of single track Empire Connection to double track?, posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 7 20:28:48 2018. They are harder asses than US Customs.. I find they take longer at the border too. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 7 20:39:42 2018, in response to Re: Expansion of single track Empire Connection to double track?, posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 7 20:11:36 2018. They should only allow Christians and Yazidis. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 7 20:48:08 2018, in response to Re: Expansion of single track Empire Connection to double track?, posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 7 20:31:32 2018. Their house, their rules.... |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Mar 7 20:55:47 2018, in response to Re: Expansion of single track Empire Connection to double track?, posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 7 19:49:46 2018. True but your name and ID info ate forwarded to Canadian Border people who research your name before you get there. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 7 21:04:31 2018, in response to Re: Expansion of single track Empire Connection to double track?, posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Mar 7 20:55:47 2018. It doesn't stop you from leaving and being denied entry at the border......I have been on a cruise where a couple of passengers were told they can not leave the ship per Canadian authorities....Didn't stop them from getting on....or back off in NY where we originated... |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 8 06:49:00 2018, in response to Re: Expansion of single track Empire Connection to double track?, posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Mar 7 20:55:47 2018. Don't assume they do much homework before the train gets there, even if they were faxed the manifest. They spend a lot of time questioning people. About 1 in 10 people get taken to the dinette car for interviews. Working the whole train takes about 40 minutes. Then they'll spend another hour questioning a handful of people. They tend to linger on people sitting in the end bulkhead coach seats. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Mar 8 07:11:55 2018, in response to Re: Expansion of single track Empire Connection to double track?, posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 8 06:49:00 2018. En route to Toronto, we were all asked to leave the train and lined up in a building where our "papers" were reviewed. 3 or 4 were pulled out for questioning. Their selection seemed to be predetermined. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 8 07:50:47 2018, in response to Re: Expansion of single track Empire Connection to double track?, posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Mar 8 07:11:55 2018. Because of the getting off of the Maple Leaf at the border in each direction has surpressed ridership, the process takes longer on the Adirondack. I usually encounter about 140 people on the train at the border.Reading VIA Rail's annual report, ridership on the Canadian side of the Maple Leaf averages 43 per train. It is the financially the weakest performing train in the entire VIA Rail system, even worse than the 1 coach Quebec remote trains (I have been on that too). Your 3 or 4 against 43 is pretty well in line with the 1 in 10 I said are pulled to the Adirondack's dinette car. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Mar 8 09:32:34 2018, in response to Re: Expansion of single track Empire Connection to double track?, posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 8 07:50:47 2018. Have you been to Schefferville? |
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Posted by Bzuck on Thu Mar 8 12:36:16 2018, in response to Re: Expansion of single track Empire Connection to double track?, posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 7 21:04:31 2018. We flew to Calgary from NY about seven years ago on an Air Canada flight which was about 75% Canadian citizens. We of course got on the non citizens line which was very short and figured it would be a quick process.The agent questioned us wanting to know our detailed itinerary for our planed 10 day vacation. He asked where we were staying wanting to know every detail of our plans. I felt like saying we were coming as tourists and would help there economy by bringing our tourist dollars there, which of course I did not say. Needless to say he did not make us feel welcome. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 8 17:15:31 2018, in response to Re: Expansion of single track Empire Connection to double track?, posted by AlM on Thu Mar 8 09:32:34 2018. I never heard of it. I went to Jonquier. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Mar 8 17:37:32 2018, in response to Re: Expansion of single track Empire Connection to double track?, posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 8 17:15:31 2018. OK. Schefferville is a bit more remote. |
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