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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jan 2 14:26:45 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jan 2 07:51:19 2018.

> @ miliion 90& or into IRA untouchable while earning ANY other funds.

As to what "creates" money, in fact as was shown both before during and since the great recession, it is merely the stroke of a pen.

The cash being hidden in tax havens will come back when the corporations are made to obey the law. "threat" of legitimate taxation my @$$.
Your "short form" makes no sense for the small business person--for instance a sole proprietor construction person, who must buy materials--are those costs not a legitimate deduction?

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 2 14:45:51 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jan 2 14:26:45 2018.

Which is why the idea that tax forms can fit on a postcard is an idea for fools.

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jan 2 14:47:25 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jan 2 09:10:03 2018.

cleartly,he does NOT pay enough in taxes because we are running huge deficits paying the tax monies right back out to the kleptocrats.
As to the morality of a RR exec being paid $100 million while we have malnourished, medically compromised, homeless , SOME persons actually believe all mankind are bretheren and should help eachother. Others do not.

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jan 2 14:51:19 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 2 14:45:51 2018.

No, charlatans.

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 2 14:55:26 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jan 2 14:51:19 2018.

Both.

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!

Posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 2 16:32:37 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jan 2 07:51:19 2018.

Most companies that have moved production abroad have done so for cheap labor, not to save taxes. So you don't know why.

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!

Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 2 16:47:35 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jan 2 07:51:19 2018.

Corporate Taxes = 1% OF GROSS not net or profit

So you think lawyers and accountants should pay almost no tax, because their only significant cost is their own labor.

Meanwhile supermarkets should never make any after-tax profit at all, because they are doing well if their profit is 1% of sales.


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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond

Posted by randyo on Tue Jan 2 16:58:23 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jan 2 14:16:19 2018.

There is only ONE cinder block wall and it is at the end of tks A7 and A8 coming out of PItkin Yd. The wall at the end of the mainline Pitkin Av subway is concrete as Tunnel Rat will attest to.

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!

Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jan 2 18:18:49 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 2 09:45:54 2018.

Correct.. Farmers can not set their prices, their product is priced by what Cargil et al are willing to pay, and cattle is sold at auction.

ROAR

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!

Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jan 2 18:22:14 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!, posted by randyo on Tue Jan 2 14:00:07 2018.

On call physicians are supposed to be within 20 minutes of their knife.

There are good hospitalists who can keep the patient healthy that long. And sometimes it is just not possille.

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!

Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jan 2 18:23:17 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jan 2 14:12:00 2018.

DOD is the ONLY legitimate expense of the Federal Government. Withut a strom military, without controlled borders we are not a country at all.

ROAR

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!

Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jan 2 18:24:19 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jan 2 14:17:34 2018.

YES, we do need two mor north river tunnels ASAP.

Make it a HERO Project.

ROAR

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!

Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jan 2 18:29:00 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!, posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 2 16:32:37 2018.

So... Where is the money?

It is just GONE.

Maybe it will come back when conditions change.

You have chased labor overseas, now you want to send the money overseas too.

RAOR

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!

Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jan 2 18:30:46 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 2 16:47:35 2018.

That is NOT what I said.

They pay on their GROSS. You touched the dollar you pay a penny.

AND they still have personal taxes to pay.

ROAR





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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jan 2 19:05:20 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jan 2 18:23:17 2018.

Thank you, Tiberius.

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jan 2 19:10:01 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jan 2 18:29:00 2018.

No, we didn't chase labor anywhere. The crony capitalists decided they preferred semi-slave workers in generally authoritarian states. The former joint GM-Toyota plant in Fremont/Warm Springs CA proved that a prpoerly managed plant could produce carts at copetitive prices and pay union scale. The desire to mve production out of the US represents naked greed, not economicnecessity.

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!

Posted by Steamdriven on Tue Jan 2 19:10:37 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jan 2 14:47:25 2018.

It matters very little how much the RR chooses to pay the exec, provide the pay is for performance rather than the buddy system. An effective CEO is not spending that xx million on 12 houses and 17 cars like a celebutard, it just gets invested back into the economy. Some people to work, some are talented, and some are in a position that fits their talents. Hit all 3 at once and you have a very useful individual.
When a CEO does live like a rock star, the company is probably not being managed well.

Compare Mulally at Ford vs the clock-punchers at GM and Chrysler. When the other 2 were dithering, Mulally sold off everything that wasn't an essential Ford property, including Ford, including glamour brands Volvo, Aston Martin and Jaguar. He then established lines of credit backed by mortgages on everything in the house, so that Ford would have cash for the crisis he saw coming. The other 2? Notmyjobnotmyproblemitstheeconomygimmeemomoney. A bad CEO destroys massively, a good one can build or save massively.

Mullally was worth billions as he prevented Ford from going bankrupt and the resulting bailout scheme theft from people who invested their savings in "safe" GM bonds and who has "safe" pensions at GM suppliers who went down with that Titanic. Ford, by contrast, PAID all those who made stuff for them, and all who had invested in Ford then are better off now rather than being cleaned out.

Mulally wasn't paid billions, of course, but whatever he was paid was far less than the difference he made. In my humble opinion, he's worth more than someone who is paid to throw a ball with great accuracy, stand on a stage with style, or skillfully impersonate an imaginary character. Those people get paid more than the typical CEO.

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!

Posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 2 19:15:33 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jan 2 18:23:17 2018.

And here I thought conservatives supported the Constitution.

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!

Posted by Steamdriven on Tue Jan 2 19:16:30 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!, posted by Steamdriven on Tue Jan 2 19:10:37 2018.

whoops, I left a half dozen editing errors in my post.
Should be

"-- provided the pay is..."
"-- mortgaged everything including the Ford oval"
"-- prevented Ford from being part of the bailout & theft scheme..."
and so forth.

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!

Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 2 19:32:54 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!, posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 2 19:15:33 2018.

Very bizarre. He's not even your garden variety fanatic libertarian. He's fine with state government doing all kinds of junk.

I don't think he's aware how badly the Confederation of States turned out.



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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!

Posted by ftgreeneg on Tue Jan 2 20:09:00 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 2 19:32:54 2018.

He needs to take a look at how Kansas is doing.

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 2 22:15:12 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jan 2 18:22:14 2018.

Hospitalists?

I heard of hospitality, but I never heard of hospitalismóand it turns out the latter word has a definition, that being the phenomenon of wasting disease in children who had prolonged hospital stays.

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 2 22:15:55 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jan 2 18:18:49 2018.

You saying Cargill engages in price fixing?

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!

Posted by Edwards! on Wed Jan 3 03:12:21 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jan 2 18:23:17 2018.

Spoken like a true libertarian.

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!

Posted by Express Rider on Wed Jan 3 04:33:30 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jan 2 18:23:17 2018.

Poland hadn't been a country with capital or "borders" for some two hundred years (?) before 1918, but there was still a Poland. And there was an Italy before the resorigiamento (sp?) as well.

Uh, sorry, not sure this is on topic at all, maybe I should include something about intra-transit, or intra-model-transit between national borders?

And of course falling asleep on one of those trains would be boarders riding over borders (G-r-o-o-o-o-o-o-a-n...)

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond

Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jan 3 07:17:50 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond, posted by randyo on Tue Jan 2 16:58:23 2018.

Maybe the concrete wall replaced a cinder block wall that had been at the end of the Pitkin Avenue subway tracks? Or maybe put up in front of it?

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!

Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jan 3 10:58:30 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jan 2 19:10:01 2018.

NO! YOU were the ones who insisted at buying products at cheeper foreign prices.

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jan 3 12:21:18 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 2 22:15:12 2018.

hospitalist is a category of hospital staff who oversee treatment.

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jan 3 13:44:06 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jan 3 10:58:30 2018.

Completely false. They were forced on us; nobody went to manufacturers and demanded "cheaper" products that are actually not cheaper at all.

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 3 15:15:44 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!, posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 2 16:32:37 2018.

Good post!

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 3 15:17:03 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jan 2 19:10:01 2018.

That is bullshit. Companies are not there to serve the general public, they are there to increase profit.

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 3 15:18:08 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jan 3 10:58:30 2018.

FALSE! If producers were unable to move production abroad, then prices would have stayed high and people would have paid the higher prices, or gone without some things.

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond

Posted by randyo on Wed Jan 3 16:08:13 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jan 3 07:17:50 2018.

Iíve been going down there in 1962 and it has always been a concrete wall. As I have mentioned in several posts on this topic, the odd aspect of that concrete wall is that it is not straight across but zigzags slightly between A3 and A1 tk so that the S/B lcl tk A1 is a bit shorter than the other 3 tks. Itís so much shorter that a full 600 ft train cannot be stored there without fouling the switch between A1 and K1. When I first went to the area in 1962, there were no cinderblock walls at al but A7 and A8 yd leads ended in mounds of earth from roadbed to tunnel roof. I canít recall if I ever went there between 1962 and 1983 when I became a trainmaster but when I went there in 1983, the cinder block wall was in place at the end of A7 and A8. To be more accurate, there are actually 2 separate cinder block walls at the ends of A7 and A8 since the tunnels for the 2 tracks start to separate about the point where they end. Also there were at one time 2 mounds of earth with grass growing on them in the median of Conduit Blvd at what I was told is the approximate place where the tunnels for A7 and A8 supposedly end. They were there as late as 1963 and I canít recall having been there since then so I donít know if they are still there or whether they have been leveled off at some point. When I first went there in 1963, there was rail in those tunnels and there were working home signal even though the switches had been removed a few years earlier. I had heard that yard moves from Pitkin Yd were made into those tks and it is possible that the tracks at one time went a bit farther than the mounds of earth at the end of track since the rail continued past the earth and there were no bumping blocks.

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jan 3 16:33:43 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 3 15:17:03 2018.

if you are correct, you validate the reason for socialist ownership of the means of productiom. I am not on this planet solely for my own acquisition of wealth.

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond

Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jan 3 17:15:42 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond, posted by randyo on Wed Jan 3 16:08:13 2018.

I wish there were pics of the entire area.

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond

Posted by randyo on Wed Jan 3 17:27:11 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jan 3 17:15:42 2018.

There are some but I canít remember where they are located at the moment.

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!

Posted by italianstallion on Wed Jan 3 19:37:28 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!, posted by Express Rider on Wed Jan 3 04:33:30 2018.

For the record, "risorgiamento." (You were just off by 2 letters.)

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond

Posted by italianstallion on Wed Jan 3 19:42:22 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jan 3 12:21:18 2018.

Yes, my MD nephew was a hospitalist at one point.

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jan 3 21:19:54 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jan 3 16:33:43 2018.

Nope. Capitalism works with human greed, and as a byproduct of companies trying to best each other for the benefit of executives / shareholders, consumers and skilled employees benefit. Socialism pretends human greed does not exist, and unless the system is designed completely airtight the greedy will eventually get enough power to Venezuela it up. Better that greedy idiots in positions of power tank companies than a whole country.

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 3 21:39:32 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jan 3 16:33:43 2018.

I am on this planet solely for my own acquisition of happiness. Wealth goes a long way in that regard.

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 3 21:40:53 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jan 3 21:19:54 2018.

Excellent post. Capitalism accepts the unfortunate existence of greed and uses it for the benefit of humanity in general. Socialism is misery.

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jan 3 21:47:09 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jan 3 21:19:54 2018.

Capitalism works with human greed

That's what the commies want everyone to believe. It's actually the free market that's altruistic.

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jan 3 21:48:04 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jan 3 16:33:43 2018.

if you are correct, you validate the reason for socialist ownership of the means of production

There is no validation for that, ever.

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!

Posted by jimmymc25 on Thu Jan 4 00:40:19 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!, posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 2 09:17:24 2018.

Pretty accurate description there.

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond

Posted by jimmymc25 on Thu Jan 4 00:44:09 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 2 07:59:58 2018.

I did...and plenty of them.

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Posted by jimmymc25 on Thu Jan 4 00:45:44 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jan 2 08:16:32 2018.

Speaks volumes about your BS....they were there before your liberal mayor.

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!

Posted by jimmymc25 on Thu Jan 4 00:49:52 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jan 2 14:26:45 2018.

Basically the Trumpistas

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!

Posted by jimmymc25 on Thu Jan 4 01:20:53 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!, posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 2 19:15:33 2018.

Only when it suites thier greed.

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!

Posted by jimmymc25 on Thu Jan 4 01:22:12 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond : No new tunnel needed!, posted by ftgreeneg on Tue Jan 2 20:09:00 2018.

He needs to look within & see where he's gone wrong.

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Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond

Posted by jimmymc25 on Thu Jan 4 01:24:00 2018, in response to Re: Predictions for 2018 and beyond, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 1 14:12:19 2018.

Chickenhawk...tell that to your right wing buddies who start with thier crap.

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