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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Dec 22 17:56:56 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Dec 22 16:23:48 2017. that second person has not prevented one freight train crash ?? and were talking relatively low speed. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Fri Dec 22 18:01:29 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by italianstallion on Fri Dec 22 12:25:58 2017. The Interstates were originally designed for 80 mph, and that was accounting for the ballon-tire, drum braked, cool-looking dinosaur cars of the '50s. No Interstate should have a speed limit below 80, except where traffic frequently backs up and stops, such as 128 around Boston.hmmm Boston drivers should have a speed limit of around 15mph, but that's another matter. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Dec 22 18:07:35 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by R30A on Fri Dec 22 16:26:35 2017. Thereby the mystery. I just don't get that. One would think that someone in the cab would notice that there going to fast. It should be interesting what comes out of the investigation. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Dec 22 18:24:55 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Dec 20 12:09:18 2017. "FULLY AUTOMATED OPERATION is the way to go."Never happen. Not in our lifetime anyway. Its working OK on the Airtran...but this is'int the Airtrain. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Dec 22 18:27:55 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Dec 22 18:07:35 2017. Thee qualified engineers were in the cab of a VIA Rail F40 on a Niagara Falls - Toronto train in 2013. They all missed a diverging signal indicator, took a 15 MPH turnout at 67 MPH, and all died in the wreck. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Fri Dec 22 18:37:42 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Steamdriven on Fri Dec 22 18:01:29 2017. And the traffic volume of that era.....Plenty of rural states still have higher speed limits where appropriate. Also, you may agree or disagree with the thinking, but the highway death tolls became unacceptable, and lots of different steps have been taken to drive those numbers much lower, especially if looked at on a per mile driven basis. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Dec 22 18:51:46 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Joe V on Fri Dec 22 18:27:55 2017. This is the first I'm hearing of this. Do you know what were the results of the investigation? (tox test results, e.g.). What you say happened defies common sense. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Dec 22 19:11:09 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Dec 22 18:51:46 2017. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Burlington_VIA_derailment |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Dec 22 20:05:11 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Steamdriven on Fri Dec 22 18:01:29 2017. The Interstates were originally designed for 80 mph??? Many stretches of Interstate are seriously unsafe at 80, and were not ever designed to be safe at 80. Did you maybe mean "The original concept of the Interstate Highways is that they would be designed for 80 mph." |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Dec 22 20:07:10 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Dec 22 19:11:09 2017. Thanks for sharing! |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Fri Dec 22 20:17:06 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by pragmatist on Fri Dec 22 18:37:42 2017. The cars have improved vastly, mostly in terms of idiot-assisting (ABS brakes, stability control) and crash survivability. In the ol' days, there were either no seatbelts at all or belts that idiots refused to use. Even a 20 mph bump can mess you up if get wrapped around a non-collapsing steering post or whack your head on an unyielding windshield header or steering wheel rim.New cars now, even the cheapest econoboxes, are designed to fold up at a controlled rate, with the engine squashing into, even under the firewall and the seat/belt/airbag combo holding you in place so you don't split your head on the A or B pillar. If you're in good health (i.e, not old like most of us posting here ;-) you could drive a new car at 70mph into the rear of the same model parked car, and be pulled out or even walk yourself out with no serious injuries. Doing that into a concrete bridge pillar would end badly - but now those bridge pillars have barrels of sand or water ahead of them, those are very effective save-your-dumb-axx devices. Posting limits that force us to crawl along at grannpaw speeds suits Governors, bureaucrats and Congressbots, most of whom are fossils themselves, and who usually have someone else to drive them around. For them, car time is an escape from the office in the back of a large, chauffeured vehicle. If it's a long trip they use a vehicle with wings, and some get a winged thing (helicopter) to take them to the airport. Outside areas of heavy traffic or crossovers our Interstates are good for 100+ mph, but decades of treating driving as a background task to talk, text, snack and apply makeup make us unsuited to properly using them. It's a been a long time, but I can say that way back when, I found that 100 on an Interstate in New England was just about right - no drama, no scary moments on the curves - very little turning force actually - and just enough speed that you feel like you're actually covering ground. Felt like the road was designed for that speed. I'm a bit (uhm, a lot) older now and also don't drive, but it's obvious cars are far more capable now than then, and the roads are laid out the same. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Fri Dec 22 20:23:34 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by AlM on Fri Dec 22 20:05:11 2017. Yes, there are exceptions, especially at interchanges in the middle of old cities. There are also areas that have been poorly maintained, and curves repaved + regraded flat where they were originally designed with a small but significant banking. But _as designed and originally built_ nearly the whole system can be traversed by a large truck at 80mph. Of course, an open cup of coffee might spill, but even a Wal-Mart semi could handle the turns. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Dec 22 20:27:50 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by ElectricTraction on Fri Dec 22 11:49:46 2017. Freight trains out west still need human crews, but a lot of the drudgery of cruising along could be automated out, much like with planes and autopilot.No, they would not. Most are terminal to terminal runs and would require nobody in the cab. Only trains that require attention between terminals would require crews. I would probably still keep a crewman on the train, but he would be a conductor rather than an engineer. He turns the switch to "OK" and the train will run automatically. If he clobbers some poos sucker at a grade crossing, the train will stop by itself, and he will get out ans assess the damage to the locomotives and to the trespasser. He will interface with the police and ambulance etc, and by the time they have all of that figured out, a new crew would have arrived to take over the train. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Dec 22 20:35:17 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by AlM on Fri Dec 22 20:05:11 2017. Interstates may have been designed for 75-80 mph, but during the 55 era thingse were relaxed, enterances aznd exits were shortened, protection at abutments were reduced.When lomits went back up and 75-80 was again possible, many roads were not up to the task. New England Expressway not withstanding, it was built long before interstate sandards were invented, that narrow twisty strip of crap is reallly sscarry to us westerners. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Dec 22 20:40:45 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Dec 22 16:23:48 2017. Wrong.... Plenty of cases NTSB has demonstrated that both the conductor and the engineer were asleep.A machine can cover for a man, a man can cover for a machine, but a machine cannot cover for a machine and a man cannot cover for a man. Witness 501... Three men in the cab and they sail off into the wild blue yonder at 80 mph. ROAR |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Dec 22 20:44:23 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Dec 22 20:40:45 2017. flip side of this is any automation is build by and maintained by humans , resulting in probably a equal failure rate. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Dec 22 20:45:39 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Dec 22 18:24:55 2017. BNSF has demonstrated it out here.Engineers and conductors were told to not touch the horn control, and sure enough all of the horns were properly sounded by the train without their help. This was not so much as something that the railroad was going to implement right away, but it did prove to the union that their jobs were becoming unnecessary and if they made too much trouble the railroad could do without them. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Dec 22 20:48:05 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Dec 22 20:44:23 2017. Yup, you need man to watch over a machine. And a machine to watch over the man.ROAR |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Dec 22 20:54:19 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Steamdriven on Fri Dec 22 20:17:06 2017. When I was driving on I-15 in Utah and Idaho on my way to see the eclipse last October I was surprised to see 80mph speed limits in some stretches. Of course there also were signs saying the area was open range, meaning that cattle might wander onto the highway. Perhaps a sub-optimal combination.(Yes, it was very frustrating that I had no time to try out Front Runner or Trax, guess I'll have to make a return visit) |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Dec 22 20:59:22 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Dec 22 18:24:55 2017. Fully automated is only a good idea if the ROW is completely isolated (tunnels, viaducts, platform screen doors at stations, surface route through a desert). PTC goes far enough to increase safety without decreasing safety*.I can think of one instance where PTC might have caused a problem - the time the New Mexico Rail Runner blew right through a fire without stopping. If the train had braked such that it stopped in the middle of the fire, it would have been catastrophic. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Dec 22 21:08:31 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Steamdriven on Fri Dec 22 20:23:34 2017. If 80 is the idea;, the speed limit outside city areas (where ROW had to work around lots of buildings) should be raised to at least 75 then - with a minimum speed of 55. In areas where congestion or weather might make that unsafe at certain times, use variable speed limits like the NJ Turnpike - drop the number when necessary. They could probably even have a computer algorithm figure it out.Some NYC-area highways have people flying by at 70-80 with no issues, except the people doing the 50 MPH speed limit. The 30MPH speed difference becomes the danger. Raising the speed limit when traffic is light makes everything safer. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Fri Dec 22 21:37:07 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Dec 22 21:08:31 2017. Exactly!! |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Fri Dec 22 21:46:55 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by R30A on Fri Dec 22 16:26:35 2017. Perhaps having multiple people in the cab contributed to this and other accidents.A. It's a distraction. B. It provides a false sense of safety. The thought "Well, if anything obvious is wrong, that other guy who's been over this exact route before in this same loco will notice" may be subtly lurking below one's thoughts. That other guy is also less concerned, because he's sure you know where the turnout/crossing/curve is. Still, it's strange. I'd think they'd be on high alert during the first run, knowing that a sharp curve amidst after long, boring straight is exactly the sort of hazard that catches you pants down. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Dec 22 21:50:20 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Dec 22 21:08:31 2017. This all works great with light traffic.But light traffic is rarely present any more. I have frequently seen quite dense traffic well away from any city and away from obvious crowded times like Sunday evening. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Dec 22 22:44:58 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Dec 22 20:40:45 2017. If 2 of the 3 never rode the route before, how would one of them know of the upcoming 30 MPH curve? |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Fri Dec 22 22:57:42 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Dec 22 20:27:50 2017. There is more to handling a heavy freight on grades than a computer is always capable of doing. For commuter trains, though, they could easily be automated, and would work better than with humans. Trains that have ACSES should be able to be automated with a software update, as they already have all the position information that you would logically need to operate in a fully automated manner.The railroads already want one-man crews, which I think are nuts. Even two-man is stretching thin, and many trains today run that way. I'd like to see an engineer, a fireman, and a conductor on board freights. Too many things can happen that the computer can't deal with. It's not a fixed train configuration on a fixed route like a commuter train. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Fri Dec 22 23:09:02 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Steamdriven on Fri Dec 22 17:48:33 2017. Where did that rant come from? If you look at the numbers, railroads have been screwed on federal funding for the last 6 or 7 decades. Absolutely screwed. The highways have gotten massive federal subsidies, as have the airports, while the railroads get a comparative pittance. Either they all should get proportionally equal subsidies, or none should get subsidies at all. I think it would be better if all forms of transportation had to survive on their own. Road tolls would be much higher, but traffic might not be as bad. However, even in a system like that, rail would need a lump sum of TRILLIONS of dollars in subsidies to catch up to air and roads in the subsidies that they have gotten over the previous decades.All the government pays for is the road? The road costs BILLIONS and BILLIONS and costs far more per passenger mile than trains do, when you add all the costs up. If you suppose that the government should continue to subsidize air and road travel, then subsidizing rail travel far more is the only logical conclusion that you can come to. You make rail sound like it operates in a vacuum, but that's simply not true. Rail is the most cost effective and energy efficient per passenger mile, and currently our roads and airline systems are taking a huge chunk of the load that should naturally belong to rail. There is no reason for hour or two short-haul flights, that should be the domain of high speed rail. There are many long car drives that could be replaced by rail travel. Further, these methods of transportation do not exist in a vacuum. Even if someone doesn't USE rail themselves, the argument that they don't benefit from rail transportation is total BS unless they never leave their house or maybe their town. Rail avoids having to spend more on widening highways, and reduces congestion on the highways that we do have, and helps the economy as well. If anything, rail should be subsidized the most, highway less, and airline the least. How is someone so uninformed posting on this board? Trains are not quaint at all. Look at France's TGV, China's high speed rail system, or Japan's Shinkansen. All are extremely modern, clean, efficient, and highly functional methods of transit. Just because our trains suck doesn't mean that trains in general suck. Passenger rail can absolutely be a fine experience in 2017, even if it's not exactly like it was in 1935. We would be far better off in the US if we built a high speed rail network for passengers, and created multi-modal transit hubs in every city to tie high speed rail, local mass transit networks, airports, bus routes, ridesharing, and car rentals all together. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 22 23:26:46 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by AlM on Fri Dec 22 21:50:20 2017. I disagree. Off hours you can have light traffic on pretty much any road. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 22 23:29:37 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Dec 22 21:08:31 2017. It's not even the slow drivers, it's the lane hogs. If the 70-80 drivers used the left lane and the 50 MPH drivers used the right lane, it would be no problem. What you have now is that the 70-80 drivers have no choice but to swerve back and forth. I've flashed my lights and honked my horn in feeble attempts to get drivers in the left lane to move over, but they're idiots and don't realize why they're being honked at or what flashing high beams even means. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 22 23:32:04 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 22 23:29:37 2017. NOTE: I don't drive 70 or especially 80 in a 50 zone. The lane hogs I'm complaining about are the ones going 45 in a 50 with an imaginary LCV between them and the next car. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 22 23:36:42 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Dec 21 20:23:14 2017. FALSE! randyo, to his credit, does admit that his information may be out of date. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 22 23:39:34 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Dec 22 20:54:19 2017. June? |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Dec 22 23:53:17 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 22 23:29:37 2017. I've found a solution to getting the lane hogs out of the left lane, but it only works if the cars behind him realize what you're doing and don't undertake -After passing the lane hog, go in front, and coast. At some point, when you're going 30 or so, they'll say "what is this jackass doing!" and move over. Then, floor it, and the guy has no way back into the left lane until the whole string of cars he created has passed. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Dec 23 00:18:39 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Steamdriven on Fri Dec 22 17:48:33 2017. The reason public transit is subsidized by gas prices is because the road system cannot handle everyone driving. Your ability to drive yourself into a city when needed is precisely because large numbers of people are on trains rather than the roads.I drive through NYC maybe five or six times a year. The ability to do that without spending days in traffic is because of the availability of commuter rail. It is well worth whatever pittance percentage of my annual gas taxes goes to it. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Dec 23 00:38:34 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Steamdriven on Fri Dec 22 21:46:55 2017. For air disasters this kind of issue is a failure of Crew Resource Management. CRM is probably not taught to train crews, but it's literally what keeps planes in the sky - things like assuming the guy with more experience is always correct can be devastating. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Sat Dec 23 00:46:35 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Dec 23 00:18:39 2017. Agreed. For dense metro areas transit is essential, and subsidizing it with gas tax _in those areas_ makes sense. To keep auto use as a viable (and bearable) option we need better transport in dense metro areas, but the you run into the problems of shared public facilities, e.g. the NYC subway being a linear urinal, done with the blessing of its fine City Council and Mayor.The line which just had the crash seems to have rather modest traffic. You could run buses for roughly forever for the cost of building it, never mind the operating losses. Passenger trains are needed in a few places in the USA and are an expensive luxury in others. Anyway I was responding to ET's post claiming that highways are more subsidized than rail. I don't have all the figures, but it seems that after the massive one time cost to build a highway the direct operating costs are funded by gas tax, while passenger rail outside the NEC is forever money sink. Count ALL costs (noise, land use, etc etc) and it gets complicated. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Dec 23 00:57:44 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 22 23:29:37 2017. You are so right. No one know how to drive on Interstates. Have you ever driven in Europe? They all stay on the right except to pass. If you are on the left, and a car is coming up behind you, you move over pronto. If you don't, he'll blink his lights, and then you really better move. So much safer and more efficient. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Dec 23 01:00:51 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Dec 22 20:35:17 2017. There's no road named New England Expressway. I guess you mean I-95.No, construction rules were not relaxed. 95% of Interstates were built before the "55 era." The roads you are complaining about were built and designed in the pre-Interstate era and were later incorporated into the system. The Connecticut Turnpike, for instance, has many overpasses lower than 14 feet high. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Dec 23 03:19:35 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 22 23:26:46 2017. True. But I am saying that light traffic is no longer the rule in rural areas off hours. It's still very common but you can't count on it. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Dec 23 03:31:26 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by italianstallion on Sat Dec 23 01:00:51 2017. Mayhaps the New England Thruway? |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Dec 23 05:30:46 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Dec 22 20:54:19 2017. I have never seen an open range sign on an Interstate. On a 2-lane highway with a speed limit of 70, sure. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Dec 23 05:32:22 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 22 23:26:46 2017. I should not have used the word "rarely." |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 23 06:47:26 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Dec 22 18:51:46 2017. It does not define common sense. How do you drive when 2 passengers are in the car yammering ? |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 23 06:58:42 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Dec 22 20:35:17 2017. American drivers are nowhere near sufficiently trained to drive at those speeds, unlike Germans, which is why they can have their 100 MPH Autobahn.American drivers don't know how merge into a highway skillfully, don't understand right of way protocol, impulsively change lanes, turn on their turn signals too late if at all, and cannot keep their paws off their Smartphones. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 23 07:08:51 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Steamdriven on Sat Dec 23 00:46:35 2017. The federal gas tax has not gone up since early in the Clinton administration, when haircuts were $8 and coffee was 75 cents. It does not cover expenses any longer. That is why there have been numerous transfers from general funds to the highway trust fund since Bush43, I think something like $43 billion over the last 10 years, but don't have the latest numbers. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 23 07:11:13 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Dec 22 20:59:22 2017. I think you can still go 20MPH with it, or else how could trains ever be coupled together in places they ordinarily do not ? . |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Dec 23 07:26:41 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Dec 22 20:59:22 2017. Nah... Full automation does not require any extra isolation.HSR does, but freights lumbering asross the prairies, no. Think it through... Suppose you do have an engineer on board. Is he going to stop for a car, pedestrian or cow on the ROW. He can try, but it will not happen. Radar on the front of the locomotive might give the sucker a better chance but not all that much.. It takes a MILE (90 seconds at least) to stop a train, it only takes two second for some asshole to block the crossing. SAorry. Aint Happening. A sign on the crossbucks "AUTOMATED TRAINS WILL NOT STOP" will be sufficient. of course manned trains will not stop either but at least it gives the four wheel dorks something more to think about. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Dec 23 07:30:38 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by italianstallion on Sat Dec 23 00:57:44 2017. North Dakota permits cruising in either lane. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Dec 23 07:32:58 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by ElectricTraction on Fri Dec 22 22:57:42 2017. The computer CAN control the train on hills and such, particularly since all trains out here now have distributed power.ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Dec 23 07:35:20 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by ElectricTraction on Fri Dec 22 23:09:02 2017. LOOK at airfares.If Air subsidies were ended (maybe moved to rail) then airpax would have to pay the rea; price of a ticket and not the immaginary price that they pay now. ROAR |
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