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[PHOTOS] The D-Type "Triplex" Original Look |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Dec 9 19:10:10 2017  #6000-ABC ca.1925  Closeup #6000A  #6001-B Interior  #6001 Interior  Articulated Joint Side View - June 1925  Articulated Joint Exposed - June 1925  Testing On Sea Beach Line At 8th Ave - June 1925  |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Dec 9 19:11:56 2017, in response to [PHOTOS] The D-Type "Triplex" Original Look, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Dec 9 19:10:10 2017. nice photos |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 9 19:21:03 2017, in response to [PHOTOS] The D-Type "Triplex" Original Look, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Dec 9 19:10:10 2017. That roof overhand gave them a very heavy appearance. Surprised BMT went for that image.What was the point of the large front porch with railings ? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Dec 9 20:02:34 2017, in response to [PHOTOS] The D-Type "Triplex" Original Look, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Dec 9 19:10:10 2017. How did they handle the trip cock issue with BIEs? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Dec 9 20:04:09 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The D-Type ''Triplex'' Original Look, posted by italianstallion on Sat Dec 9 20:02:34 2017. By which I mean the issue Bill from Maspeth raised with the proposed articulated open-gangway cars in another post --As a train operator (happily retired), the open gangway cars will cause issues for RTO to address. If a train goes BIE and there is zero clearance, he has to go down in between the cars and check things like the trip cock, signals (you don't want a stop arm up), debris that tripped the train, 12-9, etc. This cannot be effectively be done since the only way down in the front car, the rear car, or mid train between the 5th and 6th cars where the c/r will be stationed. The train will not be able to be properly checked underneath. If there is a stop arm up underneath the train, IDK how he can get to it, or even find it. Inside the train suppose there is a chemical attack? The fumes easily can go from one car to another. RTO will indeed have something to say about open gangways. If we get them, some procedures would need to be changed. But no matter what they do, the train may not be able to be properly inspected when the BIE occurs underground. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Dec 9 20:24:42 2017, in response to [PHOTOS] The D-Type "Triplex" Original Look, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Dec 9 19:10:10 2017. Nice pics. Thanks for sharing. IMO they looked old, cumbersome & outdated when new. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Dec 9 20:44:15 2017, in response to [PHOTOS] The D-Type "Triplex" Original Look, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Dec 9 19:10:10 2017. Nice! |
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Posted by BMT Standard on Sat Dec 9 21:30:51 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The D-Type ''Triplex'' Original Look, posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 9 19:21:03 2017. Place for the conductor to open/close doors from? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Dec 9 22:35:27 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The D-Type ''Triplex'' Original Look, posted by BMT Standard on Sat Dec 9 21:30:51 2017. I guess it had that safety railing for single unit running, as well. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Dec 9 22:41:33 2017, in response to [PHOTOS] The D-Type "Triplex" Original Look, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Dec 9 19:10:10 2017. My guess is that part of their design was from the "C" cars. The single leaf doors resemble the "C" cars, except that they are not outside hung. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Dec 10 05:36:13 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The D-Type ''Triplex'' Original Look, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Dec 9 20:24:42 2017. Nice pics. Thanks for sharing. IMO they looked old, cumbersome & outdated when new.To me that original front looked intimidating and angry. The redesigned front we now know looks more passive. But that was the BMT, they experimented with the D Type and it worked out just fine. In fact as discussed here many times, when they were retired and scrapped, they were in the best condition of their lives. Unfortunately, the NYC riding public and politicians like new. Enter the R-32, and the rest is history. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Dec 10 05:46:19 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The D-Type ''Triplex'' Original Look, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Dec 9 22:41:33 2017. The exception there is the first C Type (1500ABC), with their A-B doors. The C's weren't beauty queen winners, that was corrected with the Q Type as well all know.  
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 10 07:14:52 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The D-Type ''Triplex'' Original Look, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Dec 10 05:36:13 2017. The worst Arnines, like the ones assigned to the Bronx, should have gone to the scrapper instead when the R32's came in. Then in 1967, the D train would not have had to endure that IND junk, mixed with R32's from Coney Island. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Dec 10 08:21:26 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The D-Type ''Triplex'' Original Look, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Dec 10 05:36:13 2017. Pulling the Triplexes while they were still in tip-top shape was probably the worst decision ever made by the TA. They would have laughed in the face of deferred maintenance - mainly because they themselves were hardly maintained at all and still ran like tops! |
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Posted by zac on Sun Dec 10 08:54:34 2017, in response to [PHOTOS] The D-Type "Triplex" Original Look, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Dec 9 19:10:10 2017. One question I always had about the triplexes is whether the vestibule could be closed, turned at right angles from normal. In the exposed pic it looks like it is independent of the truck and could run that way. I vaguely remember riding one where this was the case.Is this possible? |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 10 09:03:08 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The D-Type ''Triplex'' Original Look, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Dec 10 08:21:26 2017. Probably easy decision for them: scrap anything that was BMT innovated.In 1966, once they were gone, they had to pull unrebuilt Standards to run again since the R38's were late and the Arnines were falling apart, at most 35 years old. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Dec 10 10:59:30 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The D-Type ''Triplex'' Original Look, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Dec 9 22:35:27 2017. This was only for 6000-6003 as prototypes.You could also operate the doors from inside on the production units. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Dec 10 13:50:40 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The D-Type ''Triplex'' Original Look, posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 10 09:03:08 2017. The ones in Jamaica Yard were dropping like flies in August of 1966. A call went out to the Three Stooges Division and 32 R-16s were borrowed and put in service on the GG with new signs spliced in. The ripple effect continued as a group of condemned BMT standards were given a last-minute stay of execution and returned to revenue service, mostly during rush hours on the Broadway-Brooklyn local. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Dec 10 13:52:08 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The D-Type ''Triplex'' Original Look, posted by SLRT on Sun Dec 10 10:59:30 2017. IINM those internal door controls did not trainline. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Dec 10 13:53:45 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The D-Type ''Triplex'' Original Look, posted by SLRT on Sun Dec 10 10:59:30 2017. Just like the C cars! |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Dec 10 13:57:20 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The D-Type ''Triplex'' Original Look, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Dec 10 13:50:40 2017. I remember some of those condemned Standards marked with an "X", being put back into service. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 10 14:35:00 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The D-Type ''Triplex'' Original Look, posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 10 07:14:52 2017. That would have been an interesting look, D Types on the Concourse Line.I agree with you, even at the end the D Types were fast trains. My understanding was they were scrapped early for one reason: transit suits felt they were too heavy, despite the fact they primarily ran on the Sea Beach and Brighton Lines. Not much structure running. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 10 14:38:19 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The D-Type ''Triplex'' Original Look, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Dec 10 13:50:40 2017. And the R38's we're planned to be assigned to the D, but changed because of Jamaica's car shortage.Rewarded for not maintaining their equipment. Even in those days: JYD = Junk Yard. Still remains so IMO. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 10 14:52:40 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The D-Type ''Triplex'' Original Look, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 10 14:38:19 2017. They should have moved Concourse's junk to Jamaica, and let the D have the R38. So then we would have Arnines on the D after Christie struggling over the Manhattan Bridge. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Dec 10 15:23:54 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The D-Type ''Triplex'' Original Look, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Dec 10 13:52:08 2017. I don't know. I never saw them used. They only needed to be used for single unit operation, so they didn't need to trainline. Very similar inside controls on the Qs were used from inside when the Qs ran as single 3-car units on the Myrt. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Dec 10 15:24:27 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The D-Type ''Triplex'' Original Look, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Dec 10 13:53:45 2017. And the Qs! |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Dec 10 15:36:03 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The D-Type ''Triplex'' Original Look, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 10 14:35:00 2017. "transit suits felt they were too heavy,"Really? After running 35 or so years & suddenly there too heavy? The suits should have done better than that to retain any credibility. When I was a kid, I'd ride my Schwinn to Northern & 31st & would be awestruck seeing a set of Triplexs' coming from QBP, take the curve onto 31st & groan into Beebe Ave Sta. Point being, I'd see them on the Astoria line quite often back then. Last time I checked, the EL is still there! |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Dec 10 15:40:34 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The D-Type ''Triplex'' Original Look, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 10 14:35:00 2017. They went essentially because they were a small fleet and getting rid of them removed an entire maintenance class from a TA that wasn't marvelous in the maintenance department. They were also the last articulated fleet. Yet they were sturdy and had an excellent maintenance record, especially for their age.The R27/30s enabled the TA to get rid of all the oddballs including MS, Bluebird and Zephyr, SIRT cars and the Lo-Vs with the aprons. The R32s replaced the D-Types. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Dec 10 15:54:29 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The D-Type ''Triplex'' Original Look, posted by SLRT on Sun Dec 10 15:23:54 2017. They also had similar set up for single unit C types on Fulton St. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Dec 10 15:55:22 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The D-Type ''Triplex'' Original Look, posted by randyo on Sun Dec 10 15:54:29 2017. I never saw a C in service. :( |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 10 15:56:43 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The D-Type ''Triplex'' Original Look, posted by SLRT on Sun Dec 10 15:40:34 2017. R30's also got rid of most southern Division Standards from the 4th Ave and Brighton locals. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Dec 10 16:11:07 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The D-Type ''Triplex'' Original Look, posted by SLRT on Sun Dec 10 15:55:22 2017. The only time I ever rode the Cs was about a month before the Fulton St el was turned over to the IND in 1956. i ended up riding both designs of the Cs, 1501, one of the first 2 oddball Cs with the center doors in each section and and a regular C with the doors positioned like the D type subway cars. That was also the first and only time I rede the BUs on Myrtle so my memory os some of the details is a bit fuzzy. Although documentation indicates that the Cs received master controllers removed from the steels when they were unitized I seem to recall the Cs having the same type of controller that the BUS and Qs had. It could be possible that the prototype unit 1501 might have retained its original BU type controller which may explain the variation in my recollection. Something else that sticks in my mind is that as I recall it, the cab door on the Cs was reversed so that the cab could be converted to transverse like the Multis but again that might have been only on 1501 since the photos of the unit as originally built seem to show inside door controls. I didn’t rally get a good ride that day on the portion of the el S/O Grant since it was a Sunday and due to preparations for the IND connection, trains were single tracking between Grant and Lefferts on K2 tk and as per BMT practice there was a flagman with a green flag riding up front in the single tk area. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 10 16:22:39 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The D-Type ''Triplex'' Original Look, posted by randyo on Sun Dec 10 16:11:07 2017. I wonder if a C could MU, doors and all, with a Q ? |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Dec 10 16:29:59 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The D-Type ''Triplex'' Original Look, posted by SLRT on Sun Dec 10 10:59:30 2017. As originally designed, the intent was the have the C/R ride on the platform outside one of the cars and operate the door handles on both sections of the train fro whichever side he was standing on. It was changed on the production units to the way we are familiar with having the C/R mount the steps and the first 4 units were retrofitted to match the later units. Also the first 4 units 6000 to 6003 and the last unit 6120 were equipped with roller bearings unlike the rest of the units and the inside of the M/M’s cabs i those cars had yellow stripes painted on the inside walls of the cabs and the controls and the words “Roller bearing car” painted just above the vision glass. The reason for that was that during normal operation of prewar cars, it was standard practice for the M/M to make a final brake release just before the train stopped and let the friction of the old friction bearings hold the train. The warning stripes were to advise the M/M to hold some air in the brake cylinders when operating a roller bearing car to prevent the train rolling. A number of the old timers I spoke to referred to the entire class of D types as “the roller bearing cars” even though there were only 5 units with the roller bearings and I don’t recall seeing any more than one roller bearing unit in any of the D type trains I rode. Another oddity about 2 of the first units 6002 and 6003 is that they were equipped with WH master controllers instead of the GE controllers found on the rest of the fleet. These controllers were almost identical in appearance and function to the WH controllers found on the R-1/9s and when the R-1/9s were transferred to the BMT in the 1950s for use on the 4 Av Lcl, the instruction bulletins advised M/M of the similarity and to operate the R types’ controllers as they would the controls on 6002 and 6003. It’s unfortunate that neither of those 2 oddball D units was save to run with the museum train. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Dec 10 16:54:14 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The D-Type ''Triplex'' Original Look, posted by randyo on Sun Dec 10 16:29:59 2017. The roller bearing cars had a different sound when you rode in them.I seemed to feel that had a smoother ride, but that may have been confirmation bias. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 10 17:02:54 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The D-Type ''Triplex'' Original Look, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Dec 10 15:36:03 2017. Senior Management changes. No more BMT, unified management since 1953. Plus in those days 35 years was the designated life span of a subway car. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Dec 10 17:03:38 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The D-Type ''Triplex'' Original Look, posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 10 15:56:43 2017. Yes, the Non-GOH Standards, 2000s, 2100s, 2200s and 2300s.The 2800s were pretty much the last of the non-GOH to go. AND in the oddballs, I forgot to mention the 4000 trailers killed by the R27/30s. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Dec 10 17:41:29 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The D-Type ''Triplex'' Original Look, posted by SLRT on Sun Dec 10 17:03:38 2017. Well, maximum traction trucks don’t work well with trailers in the consists which explains the poor performance of the Qs after being sent to the 3 Av el. Also SOP on the BMT only allowed one BX unit per train and single BX units were not to be operated in passenger service. As the steels were bing scrapped, the Ta mad the decision to get rid of all the trailers and substitute them with 2600 series A cars which were similar in appearance the the 4000 series trailers they replaced. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Dec 10 17:46:33 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The D-Type ''Triplex'' Original Look, posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 10 16:22:39 2017. I’ve often wondered about that myself I doubt that the occasion ever arose where it would have been necessary even for shop moves since the Qs and Cs never were assigned to the same barn at the same time for routine inspections or maintenance. By the time the Qs got to the BMT East, the Cs were long gone. Also with the Cs retaining their original BU trucks and the Qs having Composite trucks, the operating quality would have been terrible. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Dec 10 17:48:49 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The D-Type ''Triplex'' Original Look, posted by SLRT on Sun Dec 10 16:54:14 2017. The may very well have ridden smoother and it’s surprising that the BMT didn’t outfit the rest of the fleet. I don’t think that even the Multis or the Bluebirds had roller bearings even though they were more advanced in other ways. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Dec 10 17:55:25 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The D-Type ''Triplex'' Original Look, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 10 17:02:54 2017. It may also be that state of the art didn’t call for articulation anymore. Evan as far back as 1950, when the Chicago articulated units were operating, the CTA management opted for independent married pair cars instead of the articulation of the experimental units. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Dec 10 18:51:25 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The D-Type ''Triplex'' Original Look, posted by randyo on Sun Dec 10 17:46:33 2017. Also consider that the Q's were 9-foot cars and the C's were 10-foot (as modified) so they couldn't be run on Lower Myrtle, for example, or on a service like Fulton-Lex. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Dec 10 18:55:22 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The D-Type ''Triplex'' Original Look, posted by randyo on Sun Dec 10 17:41:29 2017. Plus they revived the BT designation for two-car 2400 sets. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Dec 10 18:58:08 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The D-Type ''Triplex'' Original Look, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 10 17:02:54 2017. "Plus in those days 35 years was the designated life span of a subway car. "I;d go with average life span rather than designated. Standards, Q's & Lo-Vs were around much longer than 35 yrs. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Dec 10 19:36:40 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The D-Type ''Triplex'' Original Look, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Dec 10 13:57:20 2017. IIMN they had the "S" for Scrap painted over. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Dec 10 19:37:31 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The D-Type ''Triplex'' Original Look, posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 10 14:52:40 2017. Yeah, everybody out and push! And don't look down! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Dec 10 19:39:47 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The D-Type ''Triplex'' Original Look, posted by SLRT on Sun Dec 10 18:51:25 2017. They could always remove the modifications, if it ever came down to that. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Dec 10 19:41:17 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The D-Type ''Triplex'' Original Look, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Dec 10 18:58:08 2017. The Triplexes could easily have lasted 50 years. Easily. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Dec 10 19:59:01 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The D-Type ''Triplex'' Original Look, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Dec 10 13:57:20 2017. In this case, they painted over the "S"s. 
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Dec 10 23:00:41 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The D-Type ''Triplex'' Original Look, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Dec 10 19:41:17 2017. Imagine them in MTA Ronan colors!...NOT!!! |
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