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Posted by italianstallion on Sat May 20 16:07:35 2017, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for May 20, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat May 20 11:42:15 2017. Re GG crash: "The motorman then proceeded to operate the train from the third car relying on hand signals from the conductor in the first car. "How is this even possible? How could the MM see the CR's signals? |
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Posted by andy on Sat May 20 16:20:01 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for May 20, posted by italianstallion on Sat May 20 16:07:35 2017. Conductor used a flashlight. Since that incident don't think such a practice has been used again. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat May 20 20:08:43 2017, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for May 20, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat May 20 11:42:15 2017. 4501-00, 4043-42, 3992-93, 4548-49 was quite a mixed consist. Wonder if that what caused brake problems ?I see they thought nothing of mixing GE and WH R16's. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat May 20 22:20:07 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for May 20, posted by Joe V on Sat May 20 20:08:43 2017. Didn't the R-38s and R-40Ms have the same braking system? (the so-called "Darth Vader" brakes) |
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Posted by W.B. on Sat May 20 22:31:07 2017, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for May 20, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat May 20 11:42:15 2017. The 1970 IND Queens line crash made a list of the worst subway train wrecks in Stan Fischler's 1976 book Uptown, Downtown (which, in their photo pages, misdated the R38 in the caption accompanying a pic of a front end of that second production-model stainless-steel fleet, as being late '50's when they were built in 1966-67, plus very early copies misattributed Budd as builder - later copies, such as I have, corrected the R38 manufacturer in that caption to St. Louis Car).As for the LIRR color-coding at that outset, what Pantone colors would have been applicable to each branch, and to what extent did it influence the change in color scheme for New York subways after '79? |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun May 21 06:59:00 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for May 20, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat May 20 22:20:07 2017. A brake release sounded a little different. The R38 could sound likea Bronx cheer. R16/R27, R27/R32, R32/R38 and R40/R42 combos were more common. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun May 21 07:04:40 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for May 20, posted by W.B. on Sat May 20 22:31:07 2017. LIRR started color coding each branch in 1974 after a 3 year hiatus of no timetables. (The prior composite ones looked more like an employee timetable). Harlem/Hudson/New Haven and LIRR schedules were all identical looking, though their styling has since drifted somewhat.I highly doubt the TA was influenced by that. |
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Posted by northshore on Sun May 21 10:40:13 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for May 20, posted by Joe V on Sun May 21 07:04:40 2017. MTA corporate hired a consulting firm to create signage thoughout the MTA Empire, including stations, schedules, maps vehicles, etc. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun May 21 10:55:39 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for May 20, posted by Joe V on Sun May 21 06:59:00 2017. I remember seeing R-32/42 lashups on the D. Luckily I never saw the R-10s mixed with anything else, although it was done occasionally. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun May 21 18:25:24 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for May 20, posted by andy on Sat May 20 16:20:01 2017. It continued to be used for a short time after that bit with a subsequent bulletin that specified that in order to have an “other than head car operation” either a M/M instructor, a trainmaster or a T/D who was a former M/M had to be on the train to supervise. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun May 21 18:34:29 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for May 20, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat May 20 22:20:07 2017. R-38s through 42s had the upgrade of the SMEE braking system known by WABCO as RT-2. As for mixing WH and GE R-16s, on the BMT and the IND it was always common practice to mix WH and GE cars in the same trains but until 1969 all trains were the same car type. The IRT was the first division to assign cars by electrical manufacture which then resulted in different car types in the same train. By 1969, the car problem became so critical that what ever equipment was available was coupled together to make train. |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Sun May 21 18:42:42 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for May 20, posted by randyo on Sun May 21 18:25:24 2017. This was before fleet wide radios were in existence... |
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Posted by randyo on Mon May 22 12:56:17 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for May 20, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Sun May 21 18:42:42 2017. Yes. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon May 22 19:53:28 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for May 20, posted by randyo on Sun May 21 18:34:29 2017. At least the IRT SMEES from the R-17s through the mainline R-36s blended together stylistically. On the IND/BMT, the R-16s blended with the R-27/30s; the R-32s and R-38s blended well and so did the R-40Ms with the R-42s. When you started throwing everything and anything together, you had a Borgaschmord Train. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue May 23 15:16:39 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for May 20, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon May 22 19:53:28 2017. Although the IRT trains from the 17s through the 36s were basically the same design, once the cars were assigned by electrical manufacture, you started having Borgaschmord trains when R-12s, 14s and 15s were mixed in the various consists. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue May 23 18:20:51 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for May 20, posted by randyo on Tue May 23 15:16:39 2017. The R-12s and R-14s stuck out more because of the clerestory roofs. At least the R-15s had turtleback roofs.Nothing stuck out like a sore thumb more than a pair of slant R-40s thrown into a consist. |
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