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Possible Collision between Amtrak & NJT Trains |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Fri Mar 24 10:02:31 2017 Penn Station track #6. Details pending |
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Re: Possible Collision between Amtrak & NJT Trains |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Fri Mar 24 10:06:22 2017, in response to Possible Collision between Amtrak & NJT Trains, posted by R2ChinaTown on Fri Mar 24 10:02:31 2017. https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20170324/midtown/penn-station-amtrak-derailment-fdny |
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Re: Possible Collision between Amtrak & NJT Trains |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Mar 24 10:15:49 2017, in response to Re: Possible Collision between Amtrak & NJT Trains, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Fri Mar 24 10:06:22 2017. http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2017/03/24/amtrak-train-comes-off-tracks-at-penn-station/ |
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Re: Possible Collision between Amtrak & NJT Trains |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Mar 24 11:27:44 2017, in response to Re: Possible Collision between Amtrak & NJT Trains, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Mar 24 10:15:49 2017. Penn Station derailment |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Mar 24 12:06:00 2017, in response to Re: Possible Collision between Amtrak & NJT Trains, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Mar 24 11:27:44 2017. I think the NJT train was #6214, from Montclair State U , left at 8:03 AM, due NYP at 8:59AM. It's the Montclair-Boonton Line. |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Fri Mar 24 12:52:06 2017, in response to Possible Collision between Amtrak & NJT Trains, posted by R2ChinaTown on Fri Mar 24 10:02:31 2017. Wifey was on a keystone behind this incident. They dumped her and everybody at Newark. |
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Re: Possible Collision between Amtrak & NJT Trains |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 24 12:53:27 2017, in response to Re: Possible Collision between Amtrak & NJT Trains, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Mar 24 11:27:44 2017. Empire service passengers will be transferred to Metro-North for service in and out of Grand Central Terminal.Aww man :(. Whatever the next dual mode order is should have M8 style 3rd rail shoes! |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Mar 24 13:25:55 2017, in response to Re: Possible Collision between Amtrak & NJT Trains, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 24 12:53:27 2017. and a nose hatch but than still they have to wait till Pilot Engineers arrive. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 24 13:32:50 2017, in response to Re: Possible Collision between Amtrak & NJT Trains, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Mar 24 13:25:55 2017. Of course, but it would still be better than booting everyone off to transfer (particularly those with large amounts of luggage). |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Mar 24 14:37:09 2017, in response to Re: Possible Collision between Amtrak & NJT Trains, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 24 12:53:27 2017. Why can't they run the Empire Service into GCT? |
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Re: Possible Collision between Amtrak & NJT Trains |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Mar 24 15:45:34 2017, in response to Re: Possible Collision between Amtrak & NJT Trains, posted by SLRT on Fri Mar 24 14:37:09 2017. cause derailment is at west end and crosses a lot of tracks . |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Mar 24 16:27:34 2017, in response to Re: Possible Collision between Amtrak & NJT Trains, posted by Fulton Frank on Fri Mar 24 12:52:06 2017. Oy! |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 24 16:48:55 2017, in response to Re: Possible Collision between Amtrak & NJT Trains, posted by SLRT on Fri Mar 24 14:37:09 2017. If this delays until tomorrow they could work with Metro North to do something like have MNRR engines pull them in from Croton Harmon. Right now MNRR needs all their engines and crews for rush hour.I was thinking they could pull the LSL in from the east side but they decided to cancel the NYC bound one today. |
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Posted by Ftgreeneg on Fri Mar 24 16:57:17 2017, in response to Possible Collision between Amtrak & NJT Trains, posted by R2ChinaTown on Fri Mar 24 10:02:31 2017. Wow thankfully the trains were going slow speeds and no one was seriously hurt. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Fri Mar 24 17:18:12 2017, in response to Possible Collision between Amtrak & NJT Trains, posted by R2ChinaTown on Fri Mar 24 10:02:31 2017. They showed a service advisory about this on the L line's countdown clocks, I was surprised to see a advisory about Amtrak posted up on the L line of all places. |
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LIRR Cancels Many PM Trains....Re: Possible Collision between Amtrak & NJT Trains |
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Posted by heypaul on Fri Mar 24 18:08:07 2017, in response to Re: Possible Collision between Amtrak & NJT Trains, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Fri Mar 24 17:18:12 2017. Press Release March 24, 2017 LIRR IMMEDIATE LIRR to Cancel 29 PM Rush Hour Trains From Penn Station Resulting From Amtrak Derailment No Westbound Trains From Jamaica or Woodside; Customers Should Allow Extra Travel Time Because of an Amtrak derailment at Penn Station this morning, the Long Island Rail Road plans to cancel 29 PM rush hour trains out of the 87 that normally depart from Penn Station during this time. The cancelations are necessary to allow NJTransit and Amtrak the exclusive use of Tracks 13-16, which are normally shared with LIRR; the move means four of the nine Penn Station tracks used by the LIRR for the evening rush hour are not available for use as a result of the derailment. The remaining LIRR trains from Penn Station could experience delays and crowding. The LIRR will operate on near normal schedules out of Atlantic Terminal, Brooklyn and Jamaica, Woodside and Hunterspoint Avenue, Queens. New York City Transit will cross-honor LIRR tickets at 34th Street-Penn Station on the 1 Subway2 Subway3 Subway and A SubwayC SubwayE Subway. Westbound Port Washington Branch trains will terminate at Woodside, where customers will be able to transfer to the 7 Subway subway for continued service to Manhattan. On the LIRR’s other branches, there will be no westbound service between Jamaica and Penn Station. Customers will be able to transfer to the E Subway subway for continuing service to Penn Station. New York City Transit will cross-honor LIRR tickets at Woodside and Jamaica. The following eastbound LIRR trains from Penn Station will be canceled. In most cases customers will be able to board trains leaving within 10 minutes of their scheduled departure, with the alternate trains making additional stops to accommodate the customers of the canceled trains. Babylon Branch The 4:03 p.m. train from Penn Station due Babylon at 5:05 p.m. has been canceled. Customers can take the 4:12 p.m. train from Penn Station due Massapequa Park at 5:10 p.m. with stops at Woodside, Forest Hills, Kew Gardens, Jamaica, Rockville Centre, and all further stops to Babylon. The 4:34 p.m. train from Penn Station due Babylon at 5:39 p.m. has been canceled. Customers can take the 4:37 p.m. train from Penn Station due Wantagh at 5:27 p.m. with stops at Rockville Centre, and all further stops to Babylon. The 4:57 p.m. train from Penn Station due Wantagh at 5:42 p.m. has been canceled. Customers can take the 5:03 p.m. train from Penn Station due Freeport at 5:46 p.m. with stops at Rockville Centre, Baldwin, Freeport, Merrick, Bellmore and Wantagh. The 5:19 p.m. train from Penn Station due Wantagh at 6:06 p.m. has been canceled. Customers can take the 5:24 p.m. train from Penn Station due Freeport at 6:10 p.m. with stops at Forest Hills, Kew Gardens, Jamaica, Rockville Centre, and all further stops to Wantagh. The 5:40 p.m. train from Penn Station due Seaford at 6:30 p.m. has been canceled. Customers can take the 5:47 p.m. train from Penn Station due Freeport at 6:31 p.m. with a stop at Rockville Centre, and all further stops to Seaford. The 6:05 p.m. train from Penn Station due Wantagh at 6:51 p.m. has been canceled. Customers can take the 6:10 p.m. train from Penn Station due Freeport at 6:54 p.m. with a stop at Rockville Centre, and all further stops to Wantagh. The 6:33 p.m. train from Penn Station due Babylon at 7:35 p.m. has been canceled. Customers can take the 6:36 p.m. train from Penn Station due Wantagh at 7:29 p.m. with stops at Jamaica, St. Albans, Rockville Centre, and all further stops to Babylon. Far Rockaway Branch The 4:42 p.m. train from Penn Station, due into Far Rockaway at 5:40 p.m., will originate at Atlantic Terminal, Brooklyn. The 5:32 p.m. train from Penn Station, due into Far Rockaway at 6:24 p.m., will originate at Jamaica. The 6:02 p.m. train from Penn Station, due into Far Rockaway at 6:58 p.m., will originate at Atlantic Terminal, Brooklyn. Hempstead Branch The 4:32 p.m. train from Penn Station, due into Hempstead at 5:23 p.m., will originate at Atlantic Terminal, Brooklyn. The 5:04 p.m. train from Penn Station, due into Hempstead at 5:57 p.m., will originate at Atlantic Terminal, Brooklyn. The 5:28 p.m. train from Penn Station, due into Hempstead at 6:36 p.m., will originate at Atlantic Terminal, Brooklyn. The 6:39 p.m. train from Penn Station, due into Hempstead at 7:38 p.m. will originate at Jamaica. The 7:05 p.m. train from Penn Station, due into Hempstead at 7:56 p.m., will originate at Atlantic Terminal, Brooklyn. Long Beach Branch The 4:40 p.m. train from Penn Station due Long Beach at 5:37 p.m. has been canceled. Customers can take the 5:00 p.m. train from Penn Station due Long Beach at 5:55 p.m. with stops at Jamaica, Locust Manor, and all further stops to Long Beach. The 5:20 p.m. train from Penn Station due Long Beach at 6:11 p.m. has been canceled. Customers can take the 5:23 p.m. train from Penn Station due Long Beach at 6:18 p.m. with stops at Jamaica, Locust Manor, Laurelton, Rosedale, Valley Stream, Lynbrook, and all further stops to Long Beach. Montauk Branch The 4:06 p.m. departure from Penn Station, due Montauk at 6:38 p.m., will originate at Jamaica. Port Jefferson Branch The 3:27 p.m. train from Penn Station due Huntington at 4:33 p.m. has been canceled. Customers can take the 3:43 p.m. train from Penn Station due Huntington at 4:49 p.m. with stops at Woodside, Jamaica, New Hyde Park, and all further stops to Huntington. The 5:06 p.m. train from Penn Station due Huntington at 6:07 p.m. has been canceled. Customers can take the 5:17 p.m. train from Penn Station, due into Huntington at 6:21 p.m. The 6:30 p.m. train from Penn Station due Huntington at 7:32 p.m. has been canceled. Customers can take the 6:35 p.m. train from Penn Station due Hicksville at 7:22 p.m. with stops at Jamaica, New Hyde Park, and all further stops to Huntington. Port Washington Branch The 4:22 p.m. train from Penn Station due Port Washington at 4:58 p.m. has been canceled. Customers can take the 4:25 p.m. train from Penn Station due Great Neck at 5:02 p.m. with stops at Woodside and all further stops to Port Washington, excluding Mets-Willets Point. The 4:43 p.m. train from Penn Station due Port Washington at 5:21 p.m. has been canceled. Customers can take the 4:46 p.m. train from Penn Station due Great Neck at 5:23 p.m. with a stop at Woodside, and all further stops to Port Washington, excluding Mets-Willets Point. The 5:11 p.m. train from Penn Station due Port Washington at 5:47 p.m. has been canceled. Customers can take the 5:14 p.m. train from Penn Station due Great Neck at 5:45 p.m. with a stop at Bayside and all further stops to Port Washington, excluding Mets-Willets Point. The 5:26 p.m. train from Penn Station due Port Washington at 6:04 p.m. has been canceled. Customers can take the 5:29 p.m. train from Penn Station due Great Neck at 6:05 p.m. with a stop at Woodside and all further stops to Port Washington, excluding Mets-Willets Point. The 5:50 p.m. train from Penn Station due Great Neck at 6:19 p.m. has been canceled. Customers can take the 5:56 p.m. train from Penn Station due Great Neck at 6:31 p.m. with a stop at Woodside, and all further stops to Great Neck, excluding Mets-Willets Point. The 6:11 p.m. train from Penn Station due Port Washington at 6:48 p.m. has been canceled. Customers can take the 6:14 p.m. train from Penn Station due Great Neck at 6:49 p.m. with a stop at Woodside, and all further stops to Port Washington, excluding Mets-Willets Point. The 6:24 p.m. train from Penn Station due Port Washington at 7:04 p.m. has been canceled. Customers can take the 6:42 p.m. train from Penn Station due Great Neck at 7:17 p.m. with a stop at Woodside, and all further stops to Port Washington, excluding Mets-Willets Point. The 7:01 p.m. train from Penn Station due Port Washington at 7:36 p.m. has been canceled. Customers can take the 7:14 p.m. train from Penn Station due Great Neck at 7:48 p.m. with a stop at Woodside, and all further stops to Port Washington, excluding Mets-Willets Point. Many Channels for Services Updates The LIRR urges its customers to stay alert for train service updates. The LIRR will continuously update customers in these ways: Email and text message service updates – Customers are urged to sign up to receive the alerts by visiting MyMTAAlerts.com. To avoid unwanted messages, a user can tailor the messages to the specific branch, and the specific times of day. MTA.info – The rail tab of the “Service Status” box at the left side of www.MTA.info is always the definitive source for the latest status for each branch, updated every minute. In addition, customers can visit www.mta.info/lirr to see special service notices in the upper center of the page. @LIRR on Twitter – Twitter users can follow @LIRR to receive updates of a similar nature to the email and text alerts, shortened to fit Twitter’s format. LIRR Train Time – Customers who use the LIRR Train Time™ app will see up-to-the-minute status for each upcoming train at each station. As a caution, trains that start out their trips on time may experience delays en route. The above communications channels can be accessed while at home or on the go. For customers who are located at stations, the LIRR will post the latest service updates on digital signs at station platforms and will make audio announcements over public address systems, and on-board announcements made by train crews. |
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Re: Possible Collision between Amtrak & NJT Trains |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Mar 24 20:38:55 2017, in response to Re: Possible Collision between Amtrak & NJT Trains, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Mar 24 16:27:34 2017. Vay! |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Mar 25 12:03:31 2017, in response to Re: Possible Collision between Amtrak & NJT Trains, posted by SLRT on Fri Mar 24 14:37:09 2017. Looks like one did last night... Train 244/243 used GCT. On it's way out newly repainted 704 was at the head (video not mine): |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Mar 25 14:17:43 2017, in response to Re: Possible Collision between Amtrak & NJT Trains, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Mar 25 12:03:31 2017. Seems like old times. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Sat Mar 25 14:18:37 2017, in response to Re: Possible Collision between Amtrak & NJT Trains, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Fri Mar 24 17:18:12 2017. There was an audio announcement along the Brighton as well (off-line announcements are fairly uncommon). |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Mar 25 19:13:35 2017, in response to Re: Possible Collision between Amtrak & NJT Trains, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Mar 25 12:03:31 2017. An Amtrak left slightly after 9:30 PM last nite from Track 38. Couldn't see the train because there is a long ramp and personell were checking tickets before you could go down. Lots of smoke down there, diesel engine was in operation. Yeah, violating the rules! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 25 19:30:12 2017, in response to Re: Possible Collision between Amtrak & NJT Trains, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Mar 25 19:13:35 2017. MY guess is they had a waiver to do so. Amtrak P32AC-DM third rail contact shoes are not for Metro-North third rail. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Mar 25 20:03:33 2017, in response to Re: Possible Collision between Amtrak & NJT Trains, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Mar 25 19:13:35 2017. My understanding is that the diesel rule is an MNRR one that can be suspended by management as necessary, rather than imposed by an external authority. That said, the train had *two* engines so it must have left quite an impression!I'm also guessing that they used the middle tracks in the Park Ave tunnel, as the lack of a front escape hatch prevents them from using the outside tracks (or I may have this backwards). |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Mar 25 20:14:28 2017, in response to Re: Possible Collision between Amtrak & NJT Trains, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 25 19:30:12 2017. Maybe, maybe not. If not (waiver issue) they'll just pay the fine & be done with it. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Mar 25 20:26:23 2017, in response to Re: Possible Collision between Amtrak & NJT Trains, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Mar 25 19:13:35 2017. Diesels are allowed in Emergency, and cleanup of derailment is a valid emergency. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Mar 25 20:27:40 2017, in response to Re: Possible Collision between Amtrak & NJT Trains, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Mar 25 20:14:28 2017. and in GCT there is no law prohibiting diesel , only a MN agreement for revenue trains, emergencies are excluded, so are non revenue moves. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Mar 25 20:33:44 2017, in response to Re: Possible Collision between Amtrak & NJT Trains, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Mar 25 20:03:33 2017. The video you posted showed them using a middle track. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Mar 25 21:12:11 2017, in response to Re: Possible Collision between Amtrak & NJT Trains, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Mar 25 20:27:40 2017. Then there must have been a change. Years ago the FDNY frowned big time (& enforced it with fines) about running diesels into GCT. At one time, starting when the FL-9s refused to run on electric, fine payments were factored into the budgets to maintain service. Non revenue moves were covered by electric switchers. But that was then. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Mar 25 22:47:02 2017, in response to Re: Possible Collision between Amtrak & NJT Trains, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Mar 25 21:12:11 2017. "Years ago the FDNY frowned..."Maybe that was when the railroad was privately operated. While I'm sure the FDNY can fine the MTA, as a practical matter the MTA could probably just laugh at such a notion. If it became an issue, the state would probably just pass a law exempting the MTA from FDNY regulations, assuming that such a law does not already exist. In any case, in a pinch, they do what they have to. If diesel engines are the only way to get something necessary done, that's how it will be done. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Mar 25 23:02:28 2017, in response to Re: Possible Collision between Amtrak & NJT Trains, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Mar 25 22:47:02 2017. "In any case, in a pinch, they do what they have to. If diesel engines are the only way to get something necessary done, that's how it will be done."Absolutely. No argument here. If they could get hit with a fine is different than if they -would-get hit with one. I'm sure the FDNY have bigger fish to fry. Point here is if there is a regulation, it dosen't mean automatically someone will be written up. However, the bigger issue is the merchants who pay top dollar rent for space in GCT who'd scream big time at the mere hint of diesel fumes. Hell, they get hysterical if you'd just light up a cigarette. |
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Re: Possible Collision between Amtrak & NJT Trains |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Mar 26 20:30:45 2017, in response to Re: Possible Collision between Amtrak & NJT Trains, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Mar 25 22:47:02 2017. I know that all too well. The (state owned) building I work at has inadequate fire stairwells for the number of employees inside, but there's no one who can force them to fix the problem. I just got into the habit of immediately running straight for the stairs the moment the alarm sounds, to try and get as far down as possible before the evacuation slows to a crawl. |
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