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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Mar 23 16:11:56 2017 Who here has actually seen a train enter or leave the layup area north of 96/2? I went up there today, just to see how much I could see (legally) from the north end of the platform (when my wife and I went in January, she was nervous I'd get arrested for surveillance, so I didn't look too closely). I think I saw a train at the very north end of Track S1.. I was thinking how neat it would be to see the home signals at the north end show anything other than red over red.Just then, a train pulled in on S2, and the signal changed to yellow over green!! They started making announcements that the train was "going to the yard" and no one should try to board; as soon as the doors opened, platform personnel began fumigating...and I thought "wow- I'm really gonna see this!". Then, alas, the T/O emerged and began to walk towards the back of the train, some discussion between train and platform personnel ensued, and they announced the train would in fact, remain in service. So I didn't get to see it moving north. I got out, walked to 72/2, and boarded there- I'd never before seen that station's mezzanine or entrances. I remain amazed at how deep 86th Street is- 72nd isn't nearly as deep. 96th is quite close to the surface, presumably to line up with the 1970s tunnel segment.... |
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Posted by Michael549 on Fri Mar 24 12:40:13 2017, in response to Lay Up North of 96/2, posted by MainR3664 on Thu Mar 23 16:11:56 2017. From a previous message:"I remain amazed at how deep 86th Street is- 72nd isn't nearly as deep. 96th is quite close to the surface, presumably to line up with the 1970s tunnel segment.... " The typography also changes between 96th Street and East Harlem - similar to why the Metro-North railroad emerges from underground. Mike |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Mar 24 20:36:20 2017, in response to Re: Lay Up North of 96/2, posted by Michael549 on Fri Mar 24 12:40:13 2017. IINM the subway line itself stays fairly level while the surface topography varies quite a bit. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Sat Mar 25 00:35:20 2017, in response to Re: Lay Up North of 96/2, posted by Michael549 on Fri Mar 24 12:40:13 2017. I thought they all used Helvetica at this point. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Mar 25 03:50:12 2017, in response to Re: Lay Up North of 96/2, posted by Michael549 on Fri Mar 24 12:40:13 2017. The typography also changes between 96th Street and East Harlem - similar to why the Metro-North railroad emerges from underground.Aside from the issue with Helvetica, the drop in elevation on Park occurs mostly from 95th to 1054th. On 2nd Ave, it occurs farther south, from 86th to 96th. 86th and 2nd is 60 feet above sea level, 96th is only 20 feet above sea level. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Mar 25 10:14:03 2017, in response to Re: Lay Up North of 96/2, posted by AlM on Sat Mar 25 03:50:12 2017. I don't think the elevation drops near 1054th-- it's in the Adirondacks! |
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Posted by alm on Sat Mar 25 10:36:37 2017, in response to Re: Lay Up North of 96/2, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Mar 25 10:14:03 2017. Nah. Roughly Poughkeepsie. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Mar 25 11:06:49 2017, in response to Re: Lay Up North of 96/2, posted by AlM on Sat Mar 25 03:50:12 2017. What's with the incredibly steep hill on Lexington Ave. between 102nd and 103rd? Yet 3rd Ave. is flat in that area. Park Ave. may have as big or bigger a change in elevation, but distributed over a longer distance, so it's not as steep. That must have been an impressive hill before the land was built up. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 25 11:26:29 2017, in response to Re: Lay Up North of 96/2, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Mar 25 11:06:49 2017. That's because the eastern slope of the hill is between Lexington and Third. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Mar 25 11:30:31 2017, in response to Re: Lay Up North of 96/2, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Mar 25 11:06:49 2017. Click on my link and zero in on the area, and you'll see exactly what's going on. Lex attacks the hill head on, while all the other avenues approach it more tangentially. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 25 11:56:57 2017, in response to Re: Lay Up North of 96/2, posted by AlM on Sat Mar 25 11:30:31 2017. Your link is zoomed out to a map of the whole country. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Mar 25 12:04:00 2017, in response to Re: Lay Up North of 96/2, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 25 11:56:57 2017. I know. That can't be helped as far as I know. When I zoom in the URL doesn't change. You have to zoom in manually and choose My Topo. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat Mar 25 15:47:20 2017, in response to Lay Up North of 96/2, posted by MainR3664 on Thu Mar 23 16:11:56 2017. Last Saturday, I seen a layup go into the back at 96/2 just before 7PM. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Mar 26 13:19:17 2017, in response to Re: Lay Up North of 96/2, posted by AlM on Sat Mar 25 11:30:31 2017. The joys of the street grid. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Mar 26 13:20:56 2017, in response to Re: Lay Up North of 96/2, posted by SLRT on Sun Mar 26 13:19:17 2017. Well, there's always Seattle's solution. They chopped off the top of their hills and dumped the dirt along the sides to make the hills less steep. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Mar 26 14:02:19 2017, in response to Re: Lay Up North of 96/2, posted by AlM on Sun Mar 26 13:20:56 2017. Isaiah 40:4, for what it's worth. Didn't know it had actually been done anywhere, though. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Mar 26 14:20:43 2017, in response to Re: Lay Up North of 96/2, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Mar 26 14:02:19 2017. Link |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Mar 26 23:23:59 2017, in response to Re: Lay Up North of 96/2, posted by AlM on Sun Mar 26 13:20:56 2017. Well, I think NY did a lot of that to. Old Manhattan was a lot more hilly than it is today. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 26 23:57:56 2017, in response to Re: Lay Up North of 96/2, posted by italianstallion on Sun Mar 26 23:23:59 2017. Manhattan means "Island of hills." |
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Posted by subfan on Mon Mar 27 01:52:32 2017, in response to Re: Lay Up North of 96/2, posted by AlM on Sun Mar 26 13:20:56 2017. Boston did that too through the mid-1800's. The original town on the Shawmut Peninsula was called "Trimonten" (sp?), or "three mountains" - that's why there are so many "Tremont" streets, etc. In the area. Two of the hills were completely leveled, and the third, Beacon Hill, lost about half its hight. The dirt was then used as fill to both create the current shoreline and the Back Bay neighborhood - which had previously been tidal flats.subfan |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Mar 27 06:45:59 2017, in response to Re: Lay Up North of 96/2, posted by AlM on Sat Mar 25 03:50:12 2017. Where's 1054th? Up in Katonah? :) |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Mar 27 06:48:03 2017, in response to Re: Lay Up North of 96/2, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat Mar 25 15:47:20 2017. Would love to see that... |
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