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Railway Age 1923: PRR GO #204 for Princeton Branch (double-tracked)

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 24 00:50:22 2017

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Not only double-tracked, but also with a southern (western) facing wye track at Princeton Junction. Apparently the GO was specific to handling of football trains.



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Re: Railway Age 1923: PRR GO #204 for Princeton Branch (double-tracked)

Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Feb 24 15:44:30 2017, in response to Railway Age 1923: PRR GO #204 for Princeton Branch (double-tracked), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 24 00:50:22 2017.

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What is the present status of the Dinky?

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Re: Railway Age 1923: PRR GO #204 for Princeton Branch (double-tracked)

Posted by 3-9 on Fri Feb 24 19:49:19 2017, in response to Railway Age 1923: PRR GO #204 for Princeton Branch (double-tracked), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 24 00:50:22 2017.

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I can't believe it! The dinky had all those yards? It was actually interesting? :-)

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Re: Railway Age 1923: PRR GO #204 for Princeton Branch (double-tracked)

Posted by Koi-PublicTransitIsMyLifeline on Fri Feb 24 22:52:22 2017, in response to Re: Railway Age 1923: PRR GO #204 for Princeton Branch (double-tracked), posted by Elkeeper on Fri Feb 24 15:44:30 2017.

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Single track all the way between Princeton and Princeton Junction. There is evidence along the line that it was once double tracked. No extensive yards like the ones shown in the article.

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Re: Railway Age 1923: PRR GO #204 for Princeton Branch (double-tracked)

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 24 23:24:28 2017, in response to Re: Railway Age 1923: PRR GO #204 for Princeton Branch (double-tracked), posted by Elkeeper on Fri Feb 24 15:44:30 2017.

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Single track, and moved 460 feet south of the old station from 1918.

The double tracking was mostly for the football special trains. It lasted from 1905 to 1956. Don't know when the southbound leg of the wye was removed.

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Re: Railway Age 1923: PRR GO #204 for Princeton Branch (double-tracked)

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 24 23:25:10 2017, in response to Re: Railway Age 1923: PRR GO #204 for Princeton Branch (double-tracked), posted by 3-9 on Fri Feb 24 19:49:19 2017.

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Don't know if those were temporary yards for the football trains.

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Re: Railway Age 1923: PRR GO #204 for Princeton Branch (double-tracked)

Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 25 09:05:36 2017, in response to Re: Railway Age 1923: PRR GO #204 for Princeton Branch (double-tracked), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 24 23:24:28 2017.

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The station is 460' south, but a much longer walk north than 460' to get out of the complex and around new buildings and construction. Ridership is off 20%.

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Re: Railway Age 1923: PRR GO #204 for Princeton Branch (double-tracked)

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 25 12:05:15 2017, in response to Re: Railway Age 1923: PRR GO #204 for Princeton Branch (double-tracked), posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 25 09:05:36 2017.

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Not to mention the inconsistent schedule.

Also, 460 feet is almost the length of 5½ train cars.

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Re: Railway Age 1923: PRR GO #204 for Princeton Branch (double-tracked)

Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Feb 25 20:32:09 2017, in response to Re: Railway Age 1923: PRR GO #204 for Princeton Branch (double-tracked), posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 25 12:05:15 2017.

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In other words, NJT is trying to kill it off!

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Re: Railway Age 1923: PRR GO #204 for Princeton Branch (double-tracked)

Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 25 20:41:39 2017, in response to Re: Railway Age 1923: PRR GO #204 for Princeton Branch (double-tracked), posted by Elkeeper on Sat Feb 25 20:32:09 2017.

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Of course they are.

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Re: Railway Age 1923: PRR GO #204 for Princeton Branch (double-tracked)

Posted by 3-9 on Sun Feb 26 04:45:48 2017, in response to Re: Railway Age 1923: PRR GO #204 for Princeton Branch (double-tracked), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 24 23:25:10 2017.

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Those are a lot of tracks for football trains. How many cars are you talking about?

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Re: Railway Age 1923: PRR GO #204 for Princeton Branch (double-tracked)

Posted by ntrainride on Sun Feb 26 06:57:40 2017, in response to Railway Age 1923: PRR GO #204 for Princeton Branch (double-tracked), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 24 00:50:22 2017.

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good stuff.

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Re: Railway Age 1923: PRR GO #204 for Princeton Branch (double-tracked)

Posted by 3-9 on Sun Feb 26 09:07:44 2017, in response to Re: Railway Age 1923: PRR GO #204 for Princeton Branch (double-tracked), posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 25 20:41:39 2017.

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I thought that it was Princeton U. that wanted the move. NJ Transit, I think, couldn't care less. It would mean they wouldn't have to worry about supplying new equipment for the dinky, though, if they axed it.

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Re: Railway Age 1923: PRR GO #204 for Princeton Branch (double-tracked)

Posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 26 10:39:25 2017, in response to Re: Railway Age 1923: PRR GO #204 for Princeton Branch (double-tracked), posted by 3-9 on Sun Feb 26 09:07:44 2017.

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The NJ Governor by definition sits on the P.U. Board of Trustees.
The DOT Commissioner is by definition the NJT Board Chairman, whose Board voted to truncate the Dinky Branch. (STB and FTA refused to get involved). So NJT does what P.U. wants. This is how New Jersey works.

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Re: Railway Age 1923: PRR GO #204 for Princeton Branch (double-tracked)

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 26 12:28:40 2017, in response to Re: Railway Age 1923: PRR GO #204 for Princeton Branch (double-tracked), posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 26 10:39:25 2017.

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The ironic thing is that the Princeton station is now creeping closer to its original Camden & Amboy location; the railroad used to run through Kingston and alongside the Delaware and Raritan Canal, and Princeton was a through station right over the border of the town (in Penn's Neck IINM). Not to mention that for much of the capital waste that NJT's been engaged in, it could have rebuilt the old C&A as a "local" branch for Trenton Locals.

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Re: Railway Age 1923: PRR GO #204 for Princeton Branch (double-tracked)

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 26 12:29:37 2017, in response to Re: Railway Age 1923: PRR GO #204 for Princeton Branch (double-tracked), posted by ntrainride on Sun Feb 26 06:57:40 2017.

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You see this thread yet? Original two-track Princeton Junction station, with high platforms.

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Re: Railway Age 1923: PRR GO #204 for Princeton Branch (double-tracked)

Posted by merrick1 on Sun Feb 26 12:34:13 2017, in response to Re: Railway Age 1923: PRR GO #204 for Princeton Branch (double-tracked), posted by 3-9 on Sun Feb 26 04:45:48 2017.

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That's a lot of infrastructure for five or six games a year.

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Re: Railway Age 1923: PRR GO #204 for Princeton Branch (double-tracked)

Posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 26 13:27:59 2017, in response to Re: Railway Age 1923: PRR GO #204 for Princeton Branch (double-tracked), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 26 12:28:40 2017.

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Well now it is in a shitty location.

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Upper Yard, Princeton NJ, c. 1923

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 8 01:00:36 2017, in response to Railway Age 1923: PRR GO #204 for Princeton Branch (double-tracked), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 24 00:50:22 2017.

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Guess that answers one question as to the football train yard size.



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Re: Upper Yard, Princeton NJ, c. 1923

Posted by 3-9 on Sat Apr 8 05:52:36 2017, in response to Upper Yard, Princeton NJ, c. 1923, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 8 01:00:36 2017.

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Ayup.

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