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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Jan 23 21:14:28 2017 Fast forward to 47 minutes. Tell me that ain't an Arnine!!!
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Jan 23 21:18:11 2017, in response to An Arnine in Chicago?????, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Jan 23 21:14:28 2017. I know. It's stock footage. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jan 23 22:02:07 2017, in response to Re: An Arnine in Chicago?????, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Jan 23 21:18:11 2017. Worlds Fair Steinway 1939 |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Jan 24 04:58:15 2017, in response to An Arnine in Chicago?????, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Jan 23 21:14:28 2017. It's an arnine. Pausing at various points shows the following:- front destination sign split into two parts, right side longer than the left side. - front RFW window is rectangular from top to bottom, and vertical. It extends below the bottom window sashes for both the motorman and the left side passenger window. RFW window on the Steinway World's Fair is rectangular, narrower, and horizontle, its bottom sash is at the same height as the windows in the side doors. - pausing at about 47:15 - close up of the train - you can see that there are four sets of two leaf doors, and window arrangement is IND - four large wndows centered between the doors, with the two smaller square windows having rounded corners, on either side, designed over the door pocket. |
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Posted by chud1 on Tue Jan 24 10:39:31 2017, in response to An Arnine in Chicago?????, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Jan 23 21:14:28 2017. looks like a Arnine too me.chud1. :)..... |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 24 11:11:09 2017, in response to An Arnine in Chicago?????, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Jan 23 21:14:28 2017. It is. Wonder where they filmed that part ? |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jan 24 11:15:54 2017, in response to An Arnine in Chicago?????, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Jan 23 21:14:28 2017. That was a great TV series!! |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Jan 24 11:23:05 2017, in response to An Arnine in Chicago?????, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Jan 23 21:14:28 2017. Not an actual R1-9.It is a model or a prop! |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Jan 24 11:24:14 2017, in response to An Arnine in Chicago?????, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Jan 23 21:14:28 2017. Forget about the R9.There's another problem. The action takes place in a subway during the 1919-1933 Prohibition period. The State Street Subway did not open until 1943. Chicago was all elevated during Prohibition. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 24 19:48:44 2017, in response to Re: An Arnine in Chicago?????, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jan 24 11:15:54 2017. Agreed! Now I know where Rodney Dangerfield got most of his "schtick" Bruce Gordon's "Frank Nitti" |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jan 25 00:57:09 2017, in response to Re: An Arnine in Chicago?????, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jan 23 22:02:07 2017. I thought that too, but the position of the front end running lights vs the marker lights is more R-9. It may be that the front view is of an R-9 and the side view is of a W/F Steinway, since that’s kind of what it looks like to me. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jan 25 01:02:39 2017, in response to Re: An Arnine in Chicago?????, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Jan 24 11:24:14 2017. You beat me to that one. At the time the Untouchable series would have taken place, the only underground station in Chicago that would have even resembled a subway station was the terminal for the Illinois Central commuter service. Another faux pas I mentioned in another post on the Untouchables is a scene that shows Ness making a meetup on an elevated platform and a train of IRT R-15s passes by somewhere on the Flushing Line. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Jan 25 07:22:32 2017, in response to An Arnine in Chicago?????, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Jan 23 21:14:28 2017. I think so. In fact, I think it's the E train! |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Jan 25 07:24:58 2017, in response to Re: An Arnine in Chicago?????, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Jan 23 21:18:11 2017. Of course. They superimpose the "gangster" (was the actor well known?) |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jan 25 14:24:13 2017, in response to Re: An Arnine in Chicago?????, posted by randyo on Wed Jan 25 00:57:09 2017. I thought the front sign read "E" or "F". |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jan 26 07:58:03 2017, in response to An Arnine in Chicago?????, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Jan 23 21:14:28 2017. I can't find it on youtube, but if you view it on some other source, all the subway scenes were done on a Hollywood set. The "arnine" car erroneously had window shades ! |
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Posted by heypaul on Thu Jan 26 12:44:01 2017, in response to Re: An Arnine in Chicago?????, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jan 26 07:58:03 2017. Hi Bill.... Strangely, YouTube has a clip from the movie that contains the whole subway scene.Subway Scene |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jan 26 13:00:28 2017, in response to Re: An Arnine in Chicago?????, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jan 26 07:58:03 2017. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Jan 26 13:45:20 2017, in response to Re: An Arnine in Chicago?????, posted by randyo on Wed Jan 25 00:57:09 2017. It isn't a real subway car. It is a relatively good model roughly based on an R1-9. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Jan 26 13:59:30 2017, in response to An Arnine in Chicago?????, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Jan 23 21:14:28 2017. Differences between this and an R1-9:Pantograph gate appears stuck to the front. Doors appear to be single leaf despite having two door pockets. Side route sign is missing. Side sign is at middle windows, should be at forward end of each car. Truck frames have large flat surfaces on the front here which aren't there on R1-9 trucks Marker lights are too low. Just below the top of the roof on an R1-9 Width is off. Appears to be A division sized. I am sure this is a prop of some kind. Perhaps one built out of an old train of the time, but certainly not a real R1-9 |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jan 26 20:14:25 2017, in response to Re: An Arnine in Chicago?????, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jan 26 13:00:28 2017. F QUEENS EXPRESS? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jan 26 22:01:51 2017, in response to Re: An Arnine in Chicago?????, posted by Express Rider on Tue Jan 24 04:58:15 2017. It's marked E-Chambers St. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jan 26 23:06:33 2017, in response to Re: An Arnine in Chicago?????, posted by R30A on Thu Jan 26 13:45:20 2017. That could be the case, but if you look closely, the side doors appear to be single leaf IRT WF style with WF style windows. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Jan 26 23:09:46 2017, in response to Pretty Baby Subway Scene....Re: An Arnine in Chicago?????, posted by heypaul on Thu Jan 26 12:44:01 2017. That's awful |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jan 27 00:18:10 2017, in response to Re: An Arnine in Chicago?????, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jan 26 20:14:25 2017. The interior scenes were obviously done on some sort of a set since F signs did not read “Queens Express” and the lower destination reading would have read “Bkln-Church Ave." |
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Posted by Express Rider on Fri Jan 27 00:19:52 2017, in response to Re: An Arnine in Chicago?????, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jan 26 22:01:51 2017. Thanks! |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jan 27 00:25:31 2017, in response to Re: An Arnine in Chicago?????, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jan 26 07:58:03 2017. Actually, the R-1s and R-4s did have window shades, a feature not on the later R-6 through R-9 cars and they were removed from the earlier cars although I do remember seeing a few scattered window shades on some of the earlier cars that escaped removal. As a bit of trivia, the lady in the movie started carrying around a life sized baby doll so she could get a seat in the subway as was shown in the clip. In the last scene, of the movie she found she no longer needed it and If I recall, she gave it to a male friend of hers on the train who threw it out the train window much to the shock of the restive the passengers. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jan 27 07:07:31 2017, in response to Re: An Arnine in Chicago?????, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jan 26 20:14:25 2017. F QUEENS EXPRESS?Well, Hollywood can't always be accurate. The subway car set had window shades and what looked like Low-V porcelain hand straps. There's another subway scene later on in the film that has the destination route sign box reading "Wash Hts-207th St - D - Concourse Express !!" Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by jrf2 on Fri Jan 27 09:35:11 2017, in response to Re: An Arnine in Chicago?????, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jan 27 07:07:31 2017. Hey - They had railfans that liked changing sign back then also !! |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Jan 27 10:05:31 2017, in response to Pretty Baby Subway Scene....Re: An Arnine in Chicago?????, posted by heypaul on Thu Jan 26 12:44:01 2017. Did the roll signs ever say simply "Queens Express" for the F, rather than "6th Ave. Express"? And why show a station with "Spring St." signs? The footage of the train in the tunnel shows "E" on the front rollsign, rather than "F", so maybe it wasn't really made even for this movie? They probably could have blacked out the bottom line of the "E" to make it into an "F" if anyone cared.Anyway, the title "Pretty Baby" makes me think of the much later, and very different, movie with Brooke Shields. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Jan 27 10:21:49 2017, in response to Re: An Arnine in Chicago?????, posted by randyo on Fri Jan 27 00:25:31 2017. The "restive" the passengers? I guess they would have gotten restive if they saw that. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Jan 27 12:06:47 2017, in response to Re: An Arnine in Chicago?????, posted by randyo on Thu Jan 26 23:06:33 2017. Yes, that is one of the things I noticed which made me think it was not a real R1-9 |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jan 27 12:44:15 2017, in response to Re: An Arnine in Chicago?????, posted by randyo on Fri Jan 27 00:25:31 2017. Actually, the R-1s and R-4s did have window shades, a feature not on the later R-6 through R-9 cars and they were removed from the earlier cars although I do remember seeing a few scattered window shades on some of the earlier cars that escaped removal.Then wouldn't the R-1's and R-4's have tracks for the window shades like railroad coaches ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Fri Jan 27 15:24:25 2017, in response to Pretty Baby Subway Scene....Re: An Arnine in Chicago?????, posted by heypaul on Thu Jan 26 12:44:01 2017. Heh, an IRT version of the Arnine :)--Mark |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jan 27 15:43:55 2017, in response to Re: An Arnine in Chicago?????, posted by R30A on Fri Jan 27 12:06:47 2017. Whether or not the car was real, the real Frank Nitti (real name- Nitto) shot himself in the head twice in a train yard in 1943. He got drunk to give himself the courage to do it. He yanked the first shot, which went through his fedora hat. The second one didn't miss. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jan 27 16:19:24 2017, in response to Re: An Arnine in Chicago?????, posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Jan 27 10:21:49 2017. Type. That should have been “rest of” the passengers. I have noticed that sometimes if I don’t examine what I type extremely carefully, words show up that bear absolutely no resemblance to what I actually typed and they are not necessarily typos either since the wrong letters that appear are nowhere near the keys that I actually pressed. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jan 27 16:49:58 2017, in response to Re: Pretty Baby Subway Scene....Re: An Arnine in Chicago?????, posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Jan 27 10:05:31 2017. F service could have operated through Spring St although most of the time it didn’t. However in the mid 1960s, there were 2 Fs in the AM rush that went to Hudson Terminal and returned so they would have stopped at Spring St. They carried green over the cab and red opposite marker lights. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jan 27 16:52:30 2017, in response to Re: An Arnine in Chicago?????, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jan 27 15:43:55 2017. Good point. Even though Frank Nitti did off himself, both the Untouchables TV series and the full length Untouchables movie show him as being killed although in 2 different ways. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Jan 27 20:38:49 2017, in response to Re: Pretty Baby Subway Scene....Re: An Arnine in Chicago?????, posted by randyo on Fri Jan 27 16:49:58 2017. OK. But the "Spring St." sign in the movie is at what seems to be the first stop of the train, and it doesn't look like an IND sign. Probably the most unrealistic thing about that station is how close the train is to the turnstiles. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Jan 27 20:52:57 2017, in response to Re: An Arnine in Chicago?????, posted by randyo on Fri Jan 27 16:19:24 2017. Well, you typed a homophone of what you meant. I guess I have done that too, typing "their" instead of "there", etc. It doesn't seem to make sense that people would do that if they know the difference, but it seems to happen. I guess part of the mind hears what it wants to say, and you wind up typing letters that would make those sounds. Even in this post, I first typed "done that to" in the second sentence, and only corrected it to "too" when I read it over. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jan 28 12:47:03 2017, in response to Re: Pretty Baby Subway Scene....Re: An Arnine in Chicago?????, posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Jan 27 20:38:49 2017. I agree! They should have uses an authentic R-1/9 and shot it at then then-abandoned Court Street station. The moving scenes could have been easily shot with the car running between Court and Hoyt. |
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