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Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars

Posted by Dave on Tue Oct 25 07:00:49 2016

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Each vehicle is 150 feet long, 10 feet wide and can reach a max speed of 47 mp/h



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Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars

Posted by Sand Box John on Tue Oct 25 09:07:19 2016, in response to Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars, posted by Dave on Tue Oct 25 07:00:49 2016.

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Each vehicle is 150 feet long, 10 feet wide and can reach a max speed of 47 mp/h

Description somewhat deceiving. The cars are 75' married pairs, same as they are using now.





John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore.

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Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars

Posted by r17-6599 on Tue Oct 25 10:01:00 2016, in response to Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars, posted by Sand Box John on Tue Oct 25 09:07:19 2016.

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Nice looking. Nicer than BART's I think.
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Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 25 11:21:05 2016, in response to Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars, posted by Sand Box John on Tue Oct 25 09:07:19 2016.

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They always seem to cite total length if in married pairs, when not in USA.

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Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Oct 25 12:41:18 2016, in response to Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars, posted by Sand Box John on Tue Oct 25 09:07:19 2016.

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the doors look too narrow.

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Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars

Posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Oct 25 13:00:58 2016, in response to Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars, posted by Sand Box John on Tue Oct 25 09:07:19 2016.

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Why are they retiring the Budds so soon?

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Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Oct 25 13:49:39 2016, in response to Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars, posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Oct 25 13:00:58 2016.

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available funding? local factory for ribbon cutting and short term jobs?

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Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars

Posted by Sand Box John on Tue Oct 25 13:53:10 2016, in response to Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars, posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Oct 25 13:00:58 2016.

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Why are they retiring the Budds so soon?

The Budds are almost as old as WMATAs 1k car. Baltimore batch of Budds I believe have been rehabilitated. To my knowledge the Miami Budds have never been rehabilitated.

John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore.

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Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars

Posted by LA Scott on Tue Oct 25 13:54:22 2016, in response to Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars, posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Oct 25 13:00:58 2016.

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The cars are 33 years old and never had a mid-life refurbishment.

At this point new ones probably cost less than refurbishment, especially when future maintenance is taken into account.


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Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars

Posted by Fine, Howard, and Fine on Tue Oct 25 14:21:31 2016, in response to Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars, posted by Sand Box John on Tue Oct 25 13:53:10 2016.

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Miami has always had a big surplus of cars so they do not rack up as many miles per day as a fully-utilized fleet.

WMATA visitors are continually agape at how Miami can run a full rush hour schedule and still have a bunch of good cars in the yard unused.

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Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars

Posted by randyo on Tue Oct 25 15:29:15 2016, in response to Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Oct 25 12:41:18 2016.

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Yes!

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Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars

Posted by randyo on Tue Oct 25 15:30:52 2016, in response to Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars, posted by Sand Box John on Tue Oct 25 13:53:10 2016.

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AFAIK the Baltimore and Miami cars are the same car, the only difference being that the Baltimore cars have heaters while the Miami cars do not.

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Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars

Posted by randyo on Tue Oct 25 15:32:01 2016, in response to Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars, posted by LA Scott on Tue Oct 25 13:54:22 2016.

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Since they’re Budds, they can probably last as long as the R-32s,

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Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars

Posted by randyo on Tue Oct 25 15:32:44 2016, in response to Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars, posted by r17-6599 on Tue Oct 25 10:01:00 2016.

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It all depends on whether you like a straight side or a curved side car.

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Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars

Posted by Sand Box John on Tue Oct 25 22:46:33 2016, in response to Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars, posted by Fine, Howard, and Fine on Tue Oct 25 14:21:31 2016.

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WMATA visitors are continually agape at how Miami can run a full rush hour schedule and still have a bunch of good cars in the yard unused.

If they had heard what I have been saying for the last 20 plus years they wouldn't be so stunned.

John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore.

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Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars

Posted by r17-6599 on Tue Oct 25 23:47:27 2016, in response to Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars, posted by randyo on Tue Oct 25 15:32:44 2016.

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whatever these are, I like 'em.

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Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars

Posted by Express Rider on Wed Oct 26 00:27:54 2016, in response to Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars, posted by randyo on Tue Oct 25 15:32:01 2016.

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:)

I hope at least one married pair will be preserved for museum purposes.

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Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars

Posted by Sand Box John on Wed Oct 26 06:30:35 2016, in response to Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars, posted by Express Rider on Wed Oct 26 00:27:54 2016.

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I hope at least one married pair will be preserved for museum purposes.

There is a fleet, displaying different colors, in Baltimore still in daily use, I have heard nothing about replacing them.

John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore.

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Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars

Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Oct 26 07:13:08 2016, in response to Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars, posted by Dave on Tue Oct 25 07:00:49 2016.

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My G-d, that's one of the most poorly written articles I've ever seen. WTF?

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Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars

Posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Oct 26 07:18:08 2016, in response to Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars, posted by Sand Box John on Tue Oct 25 13:53:10 2016.

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Miami's UTV's were built in the 1983 time period and are low mileage compared with the DC 1k cars. If anything they should have gotten a Baltimore or PATCO style rebuild. Much cheaper.

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Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars

Posted by Sand Box John on Wed Oct 26 09:51:32 2016, in response to Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars, posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Oct 26 07:18:08 2016.

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Baltimore and or Los Angles should purchase them and do said rehabilitation. There has been some low volume noise on extending the east side of the Baltimore Metro out towards Parkville.

John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore.

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Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Oct 26 09:51:36 2016, in response to Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars, posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Oct 26 07:13:08 2016.

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IAWTP

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Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars

Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Oct 26 13:03:45 2016, in response to Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Oct 26 09:51:36 2016.

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Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars

Posted by Sand Box John on Wed Oct 26 22:58:59 2016, in response to Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars, posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Oct 26 07:13:08 2016.

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My G-d, that's one of the most poorly written articles I've ever seen. WTF?

The "article" is likely verbatim translation of a press release out of the Hitachi Rail Italy media office.

John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore.

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Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars

Posted by Fine, Howard, and Fine on Thu Oct 27 12:36:28 2016, in response to Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars, posted by Sand Box John on Tue Oct 25 22:46:33 2016.

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Miami also had a surprisingly low number of long-term-unrepairable yard queens.

John, are you saying it is possible that WMATA's car shortage results in OVERutilization which results in no time to maintain the cars (at least outside a short overnight window) which results in a lot more broken cars which results in even more car shortage?

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Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars

Posted by Sand Box John on Fri Oct 28 08:54:58 2016, in response to Re: Hitachi unveils Miami metro cars, posted by Fine, Howard, and Fine on Thu Oct 27 12:36:28 2016.

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John, are you saying it is possible that WMATA's car shortage results in OVERutilization which results in no time to maintain the cars (at least outside a short overnight window) which results in a lot more broken cars which results in even more car shortage?

That pretty much sums it up.

You run the crap out of something, the wheels will fall off sooner then later.

In my opinion WMATAs rail car fleet should be twice it's number.

  • Fewer annual miles will result in longer service life.
  • More time for the technicians to do preventive maintenance.
  • More time for the technicians to make unexpected repairs
  • And most importantly, more cars to allow the running of the railroad closer to the train control and signaling designed capacity.

  • If all of the above had taken place.

  • There would be far fewer incidents of trains crapping bed on the road.
  • Less crowded platforms.
  • No call for more more standing room aboard trains.
  • No call for four door per side rail cars.
  • No calls for building the M Street subway to seperate the Orange and Blue lines.
  • No Monday morning quarterbacks saying the railroad should have been built with four tracks.

  • John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore.

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