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Posted by Allan on Fri Sep 23 20:54:01 2016 While I have not found it in the current MTA Press releases, it was reported on TV news and in the AM NY and Metro newspapers that the W will resume service (Astoria to Whitehall) on Monday 11/7. The Q will then terminate (for the time being) at 57/7.No mention anywhere about the R shuttle being extended to Whitehall during overnight hours. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Sep 23 20:58:26 2016, in response to W coming back November 7, posted by Allan on Fri Sep 23 20:54:01 2016. Be interesting to see if the W will get R68's or R160's. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 23 22:24:52 2016, in response to W coming back November 7, posted by Allan on Fri Sep 23 20:54:01 2016. So double letters return to the subway. |
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Posted by The Silence on Fri Sep 23 22:48:42 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Joe V on Fri Sep 23 20:58:26 2016. The W will get whatever the N uses because internally it will be part of the N. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 23 23:06:55 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 23 22:24:52 2016. In a way. I wonder if the Norton will return to the express tracks in Manhattan where it belongs. |
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Posted by fastlane on Fri Sep 23 23:08:11 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Joe V on Fri Sep 23 20:58:26 2016. I think R160 |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Sep 23 23:21:02 2016, in response to W coming back November 7, posted by Allan on Fri Sep 23 20:54:01 2016. It is part of the new pick that brings back the W: midnight R's from 95 to Whitehall 7 nights a week. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 24 05:03:59 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 23 23:06:55 2016. From Canal to 34th, yes. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 24 05:07:38 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Sep 23 23:21:02 2016. Amazing! Has any station ever been a terminal from opposite directions before (even if not at the same moment), other than during GOs that split a route? |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 24 07:29:25 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by The Silence on Fri Sep 23 22:48:42 2016. But there are just so many R160's to go around. I expect some equipment cascades of 5 train sets:R179's to the A R46's to Jamaica Yard R160's to CIY. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 24 07:30:19 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 23 23:06:55 2016. Yes, that's part of the reason. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 24 07:34:05 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 24 05:07:38 2016. Maybe Chambers/Nassau.Until late 1967, the "10" and the "TT" terminated there simultaneously, while the "15" and "M" (Brighton-Nassau Loop) ran through, and the "14" was done at Canal St". After Chrystie, that became the "M" and the short-lived "RJ" which ran through. Quite a mess. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sat Sep 24 07:55:06 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 24 05:07:38 2016. Yes, East 180th Street in the Bronx - the usual route being the late night #5 Dyre Avenue Shuttle. Years ago (or even up to now) it was the practice to terminate some #5 (or #2) trains at East 180th Street on a regular basis. Often on weekends with G.O. type work #5 trains between the Bronx and Manhattan often end there.Yes, 36th Street-Fourth Avenue in Brooklyn - the usual route being the late night R-train Shuttle. In addition years ago (or even up to now) plenty of Fourth Avenue local trains terminated at 36th Street on a regular basis. In addition over time, each of the branches - Fourth Avenue local, West End and Sea Beach have had a late night shuttle operation that ended at that station. Yes, Euclid Avenue in Brooklyn - the usual route being the regular every day C or CC Fulton Street local trains (and some versions of the E-train), as well as the late night "Round Robin" train service to/from the Rockaways. Over time plenty of the Rockaway train operations involved ending at Euclid Avenue. I believe that current late night Lefferts Blvd shuttle trains also now end at Euclid Avenue. Mike |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Sep 24 08:08:21 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 24 05:07:38 2016. Coney Island |
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Posted by zac on Sat Sep 24 08:21:49 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Michael549 on Sat Sep 24 07:55:06 2016. Yes, Brighton Beach. The NX terminated there coming from CI, and the QJ/QB terminated there from Manhattan, simultaneously. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Sep 24 08:59:21 2016, in response to W coming back November 7, posted by Allan on Fri Sep 23 20:54:01 2016. Allan: That's good news. Thank you for posting it.Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: Allan, that is great news, W coming back November 7. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 24 09:08:21 2016, in response to W coming back November 7, posted by Allan on Fri Sep 23 20:54:01 2016. If this was posted in mistake on OTChat, it could be misinterpreted as the 2000-2008 president being re-elected, and a day early.
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 24 10:21:36 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 24 07:34:05 2016. Myrtle Chambers route ran rush hours only until 1968...Ran to Broad st rush hours only 1968 69. TT trains also passed through Broad st terminal to reach the Manny B most of the day. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 24 10:52:30 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 24 07:30:19 2016. Sea Beach Fred is going to love that. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 24 10:54:56 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by SLRT on Sat Sep 24 08:08:21 2016. We'll give it an honorable mention.:) |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 24 11:01:32 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 24 10:21:36 2016. I don't recall if the TT all looped back via the Mannie B or simply reversed at Chambers, but in any case, several ran to ENY for mid-day storage. That I remember very clearly. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Sep 24 11:38:54 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Michael549 on Sat Sep 24 07:55:06 2016. The Euclid one was used as recently as the late 90s on weekends - The C would turn there on weekdays and the weekend Rockaway shuttle would turn there as well. |
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Posted by caine515 on Sat Sep 24 12:30:56 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 24 07:29:25 2016. R68 I can see on the "Q" at least TEMPORAILY until the 2nd Avenue subway opens. Could they actually decide to put a R179 on the 1st revenue run on 2nd Avenue service? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Sep 24 12:42:25 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by caine515 on Sat Sep 24 12:30:56 2016. Anything can happen. NYCT is famous for making changes at the last minute in regards to bus and subway assignments.You saw Randy's post that the new R32's in 1964 almost went to the Queens IND? I have read the new R38's in 1967 were originally supposed to go to the D. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 24 13:34:09 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Sep 24 12:42:25 2016. I remember the south sign of the R38 had a readout for "Hudson Terminal". Was that true of the R32 ? Not sure, but I seem to remember they only had "Chambers Street". If my suspicion is true, it seems the R32 was intended for the BMT. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 24 14:11:47 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 24 11:01:32 2016. I remember seeing R-32 TT trains in ENY Yard from the Broadway Junction platform on the Larry. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Sep 24 14:11:49 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 24 13:34:09 2016. R-32s also had Hudson Terminal but it was very seldom used probably because iChambers St was closer on the sign rolls to the Coney Island and Bay Pky readings. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 24 14:12:44 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Sep 24 11:38:54 2016. In the olden days, it was the Heaving Harry. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 24 14:17:25 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by randyo on Sat Sep 24 14:11:49 2016. I remember seeing R-32 AA trains with the side signs set to "Hudson Term'l." |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Sep 24 14:36:00 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 24 14:11:47 2016. Actually, prior to 1959, Myrtle.Chambers ran 6 days a week M-Sat all day from about 600AM to around 800PM. In 1959, it became a 5 day a week service M - F but by 1960 it was rush hour only, Until about 1960, Culvers via tunnel from Ditmas turned at Chambers except during midnights and on weekends when it was a shuttle between Ditmas and 36 St. When the Culver became a full time shuttle between Ditmas and 9 Av, West End Lcls became the 6A to 8 P (or so) service between Stl and Chambers M - F. During rush hours, West End lcls laid up from Chambers St with some trains running light back to CI Yd and 3 trains laying up to DO Yd. The 4 Av bankers’ specials coming over the Manny B N/B ran S/B through the tunnel as West End lcls either laying up to bay Pky or turning back N/B at 9 Av. In the AM, there were 5 4 Av bankers’ specials and 5 Brighton Bankers’ specials, the Brightons operating vial the tunnel and originating at Brighton Bch. In the PM, there were only 3 of each of the bankers’ specials with the 3 put ins from DO Yd replacing 3 West End lcls coming from 9 Ave that went back to 95 St as PM bankers’ specials. Actually, at that time, 9 Av was also a two way terminal since selected West End lcls terminated there S/B and Culver shuttles terminated there N/B. The PM Brighton Bankers’ specials operated through to Stl. Additionally, Canal/Bway was a terminal for a few select S/B 4 Av and Brighton lcls coming from Ctl or Astoria with 3 AM West end exps operating N/B in the AM M - F. In the PM, the last 3 West End exps operated via the tunnel to Canal St M - Sat where they laid up to C/Hall Yd. M-F those layups became the 3 West End put ins for Astoria but on Sat AM, those trains were put in S/B at City Hall. Another station that was used in both directions was E/Pky on the J. During middays, the Bway Bkln Lcls terminated there Jamaica bound and at night and weekends, the Fulton St el terminated there Manhattan bound when Rocky Av was closed. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 24 14:36:43 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 24 14:11:47 2016. And usually an R27/30 got into the TT act as well. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Sep 24 14:47:21 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Michael549 on Sat Sep 24 07:55:06 2016. I forgot about this in my list of all the BMT ones I could think of. Another IRT one is 96/Bway. Up until the early 1950s or so, midnight 145/Lenox shuttles terminated there turning back on a tail switch S/O the station between tks 2 and 3 which was removed when the platforms were lengthened. Before the yd lead from 207 St on the Bway Line to 207 Yd, a few AM #1s went O/S at 96 St and went light to 239 Yd to be washed. Also, don’t forget Qnsbro Plaza during the days of joint BMT/IRT operation when the steel trains of the BMT subway turned from N/B to S/B and el car shuttles turned from S/B to N/B. According to some old timers I worked with, the Manhattan els also had a few locations where mainline trains connected with shuttles during midnight hours. Mainline S/B 3 Av El trains terminated at Canal St and a midnight shuttle ran between Canal and So/Fy. N/B mainline trains terminated at Fordham Rd and connecting shuttles operated between Fordham and 241 St. Back to the BMT, the Culver had mainline trains from Manh terminating at K/Hwy with connecting el car shuttles to Stl and the West End had a similar set up at Bay Pky. |
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Posted by Dan on Sat Sep 24 16:20:26 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by randyo on Sat Sep 24 14:36:00 2016. Thanks for all that info! How do you remember all this stuff? When was the Culver Shuttle cut back to Ditmas - 9th Avenue? I guess when it was Ditmas - Chambers the ridership was low. |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Sat Sep 24 16:27:23 2016, in response to W coming back November 7, posted by Allan on Fri Sep 23 20:54:01 2016. Yes to all of the above. W will come back, N's will run express when the W is running, Q's will run to 57th st until 2nd av opens up. And the R's will run to Whitehall overnight as far I know the start of the next pick. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Sep 24 21:02:36 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Dan on Sat Sep 24 16:20:26 2016. I’m not sure exactly when Culver was cutback to 9 Av but it was around 1960. It was about the same time that the 4 Av and Brighton Lcls swapped north terminals between Ctl and Astoria. Brightons ran to Astoria and 4 Aves went to Ctl about 6A - P M-F and 57 St other times. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Sep 24 21:07:57 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by randyo on Sat Sep 24 14:11:49 2016. All the times I saw R-32s on the AA, it was set to Chambers St. Never knew that the 32s had a Hudson Terminal reading. Never saw an R-42 on the AA, so I don't know what that reading was. IIRC, R-40s on the E said Hudson Terminal. |
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Posted by X-Astorian on Sun Sep 25 00:48:44 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by randyo on Sat Sep 24 21:02:36 2016. According to the New York Times, the Culver Line was cut back to the Ninth Ave - Ditmas Ave shuttle on May 28, 1959.The Brighton, Fourth Ave and West End lines switcheroo took effect on January 1, 1961 (both the Times and my recollection). |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Sep 25 07:24:30 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Joe V on Fri Sep 23 20:58:26 2016. I tend to think R160s. This makes switching designations, as necessitated by service at Astoria very easy. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Sep 25 07:29:32 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by caine515 on Sat Sep 24 12:30:56 2016. I think R68s (or R68As) on the Q to 96th would make sense. The route does not vary- it'll always (other than GOs) run from Coney Island to 96th Street, and at those terminals (especially 96th) I can't see any need to quickly change route designations.Now, we can reconsider this if the R68s are still around when the T comes along... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Sep 25 07:36:58 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 24 14:11:47 2016. A number of people must've found this interesting at the time because I have seen quite a few photos of R32 TTs doing this move... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Sep 25 07:42:37 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Dan on Sat Sep 24 16:20:26 2016. I heard that a bad storm damaged the tracks on the Culver, and since ridership was low, the TA decided to repair one side only, and make it bi-directional.I think it was one of the TA veterans on here who posted that, initially. |
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Posted by zac on Sun Sep 25 08:43:33 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Sep 24 21:07:57 2016. There was a time that you could see any car type on any line. You just never knew what would show up. The TA didn't make it any easier with the limited route signs on the R40/42/44s. After the first few years of specific assignments they were all over the place and would display blank signs when they ran on routes they weren't intended for. |
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Posted by zac on Sun Sep 25 08:49:42 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Sep 25 07:29:32 2016. My guess is that the 2nd Ave subway will get all R160 as a showcase. They aren't going to put the older cars on their shiny new line. The R68s are already 30 years old, that is hard to believe sometimes.Do the R68s even have 96th St as a sign? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 25 08:55:12 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by zac on Sun Sep 25 08:49:42 2016. Exactly. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Sep 25 09:31:13 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by zac on Sun Sep 25 08:49:42 2016. Yeah, now that I think it through, I think you're right- the "suits" will want the Stubway to be a showpiece line with the very newest equipment. Almost certain to be R160 and/or R179.I thought my idea (actually, I think I cribbed it from another poster) to put the NTTs on routes likely to need sign changes, such as the N/W made more sense. But sense does not always prevail. As for running older equipment on new lines, there's no good reason not to do it. As long as all cars on the road are maintained to reliability, and replaced when maintenance becomes impractical, it should make no difference which route has 8 year old cars and which has 28 year old cars. But I've been around long enough to know that politics and optics do not always allow practicality to prevail. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 25 09:39:45 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 24 13:34:09 2016.  Line: IND 8th Avenue Line...Location: Chambers Street/World Trade Center... Route: E...Car: R-38 (St. Louis, 1966-1967)... Collection of: Joe Testagrose...Date: 4/10/1969...from nyssubway.org |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 25 11:10:16 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 25 09:39:45 2016. The way R38's were supposed to look. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Sep 25 11:10:32 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by zac on Sun Sep 25 08:49:42 2016. They should run an R-46 consist.:) After all, the R-46s (and the R-44s, for that matter) were originally designed and intended for use on the 2nd Ave. line. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 25 11:12:08 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 25 09:39:45 2016. 5 drooling stars out of 5 drooling stars for that picture.Best you to it, chud! |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 25 11:13:13 2016, in response to Re: W coming back November 7, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Sep 25 11:10:32 2016. So we're the R11's. |
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