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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Aug 23 12:53:13 2016 Trolleys |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Tue Aug 23 13:49:17 2016, in response to That trolley graveyard, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Aug 23 12:53:13 2016. Are they all PCC's? |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Aug 23 14:06:23 2016, in response to Re: That trolley graveyard, posted by Avid Reader on Tue Aug 23 13:49:17 2016. Are they all PCC's?There's a Red Arrow Streamliner and ten CTA 6000s. Otherwise, yes. |
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Posted by BMT Standard on Tue Aug 23 15:58:37 2016, in response to Re: That trolley graveyard, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Aug 23 14:06:23 2016. CTA 6000s are/were PCC rapid transit cars. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 23 15:59:02 2016, in response to Re: That trolley graveyard, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Aug 23 14:06:23 2016. CTA 6000s are PCCs. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 23 16:03:09 2016, in response to Re: That trolley graveyard, posted by BMT Standard on Tue Aug 23 15:58:37 2016. Beat me to it. :) |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Aug 23 19:34:28 2016, in response to That trolley graveyard, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Aug 23 12:53:13 2016. Sad to say I believe they are all too far gone for restoration.Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by aaron on Tue Aug 23 19:36:35 2016, in response to Re: That trolley graveyard, posted by Avid Reader on Tue Aug 23 13:49:17 2016. Not the first 200 CTA 6000 series. Only the ones starting from 6201. They had curved blinker doors as opposed to straight blinker doors... |
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Posted by aaron on Tue Aug 23 19:38:29 2016, in response to Re: That trolley graveyard, posted by aaron on Tue Aug 23 19:36:35 2016. IF the cars there are the ones they sold to SEPTA, then they aren't PCC cars. The cars sold to SEPTA were part of the first 200... |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Tue Aug 23 19:41:22 2016, in response to Re: That trolley graveyard, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Aug 23 19:34:28 2016. Part Donors? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 23 19:41:32 2016, in response to Re: That trolley graveyard, posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 23 16:03:09 2016. 6200 and up (as well as the 50 singles) were built with components salvaged from the Green Hornets. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 23 20:22:46 2016, in response to Re: That trolley graveyard, posted by Avid Reader on Tue Aug 23 19:41:22 2016. I don't think there's enough Naval Jelly on the planet to soak through all that rust. :( |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Aug 23 20:26:49 2016, in response to Re: That trolley graveyard, posted by aaron on Tue Aug 23 19:38:29 2016. IF the cars there are the ones they sold to SEPTA, then they aren't PCC cars. The cars sold to SEPTA were part of the first 200...They are. Ex-SEPTA 478-481, 484-489 (CTA 6175-6, 6079-80, 6139-40, 6151-52, 6161-62). |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Aug 23 20:37:42 2016, in response to That trolley graveyard, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Aug 23 12:53:13 2016. Place looks haunted. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Aug 23 20:37:53 2016, in response to Re: That trolley graveyard, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Aug 23 20:26:49 2016. Pwn3d |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Aug 23 20:41:34 2016, in response to Re: That trolley graveyard, posted by aaron on Tue Aug 23 19:38:29 2016. No, technically if they are on PCC design trucks, they are PCCs. Same story the first fleet in Cleveland which look like IRT car bodies but rode on PCC trucks. Similarly afleet for what is tody's Blue Line in Boston were considered PCCs as they used the same trucks. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Aug 24 05:43:49 2016, in response to Re: That trolley graveyard, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 23 20:22:46 2016. The guy who has them, had grandiose dreams, but nothing ever came of them. Lack of supporters, funds, volunteers , the whole deal. |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Aug 24 08:54:51 2016, in response to Re: That trolley graveyard, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 23 19:41:32 2016. Which, incidentally, constituted a "proof of concept" for the BMT in demonstrating that streetcars and rapid transit cars could share a maintenance base through the use of PCC technology.Came a tad late, though. |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Aug 24 09:01:46 2016, in response to Re: That trolley graveyard, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Aug 23 20:41:34 2016. That was my understanding. Thanks. |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Aug 24 09:08:41 2016, in response to Re: That trolley graveyard, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Aug 24 05:43:49 2016. Do you know how many units we're talking about? |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Aug 24 09:31:04 2016, in response to Re: That trolley graveyard, posted by SLRT on Wed Aug 24 09:08:41 2016. I do not. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Aug 24 09:44:55 2016, in response to Re: That trolley graveyard, posted by SLRT on Wed Aug 24 09:08:41 2016. Do you know how many units we're talking about?±45 PCCs, plus the aforementioned Streamliner and ten 6000s. Roster |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Aug 24 10:37:20 2016, in response to Re: That trolley graveyard, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Aug 24 09:44:55 2016. Thanks! |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Aug 24 14:42:22 2016, in response to Re: That trolley graveyard, posted by SLRT on Wed Aug 24 10:37:20 2016. Thanks! RIPTA42HopeTunnel |
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Posted by Jon Bell on Wed Aug 24 15:16:17 2016, in response to That trolley graveyard, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Aug 23 12:53:13 2016. The third from last car looks like it's lettered TRENTON, NEW HOPE & [...]. What's that from? |
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Posted by Jon Bell on Wed Aug 24 15:22:05 2016, in response to Re: That trolley graveyard, posted by Jon Bell on Wed Aug 24 15:16:17 2016. Heh. I went to Google, typed in "trenton new hope" and it obligingly autofilled as "trenton new hope & lambertville street railway". Looks like it started in 1903, but I haven't yet found when it quit. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Aug 24 15:57:42 2016, in response to Re: That trolley graveyard, posted by Jon Bell on Wed Aug 24 15:22:05 2016. Heh. I went to Google, typed in "trenton new hope" and it obligingly autofilled as "trenton new hope & lambertville street railway". Looks like it started in 1903, but I haven't yet found when it quit.From what I can tell, it started in 1905 and was merged into the Bucks County Interurban Railway in 1917. The car is a Red Arrow Streamliner that was owned by the New Hope Steam Railway in the 1980s, where it was given its present livery. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Aug 24 16:10:32 2016, in response to Re: That trolley graveyard, posted by SLRT on Wed Aug 24 09:01:46 2016. Correct. According to the book “PCC The Car That Fought Back,” any car which had PCC developed components or on which royalties were paid to the President’s Conference Committee were considered PCCs. Additionally, many innovations developed for PCC streetcars were used on rapid transit cars which are referred to as PCC rapid transit cars. Interestingly, although they are not referred to specifically as PCC rapid transit cars, the NYCTS R-11s had a PCC designed truck called the “Model E” which while developed by the PCC, was an outside frame truck and not the usual inside frame truck associated with PCC equipment. |
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Posted by HART BUS on Wed Aug 24 16:58:03 2016, in response to That trolley graveyard, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Aug 23 12:53:13 2016. Great place for "The Mob" to bury some corpses. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Aug 24 21:42:39 2016, in response to Re: That trolley graveyard, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Aug 24 14:42:22 2016. Thanks! RIPTA42HopeTunnelNo, thank Jeff Hakner and Frank Hicks for maintaining a database of preserved electric traction equipment. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Aug 25 06:56:44 2016, in response to Re: That trolley graveyard, posted by Avid Reader on Tue Aug 23 19:41:22 2016. Part Donors?Yes, that's about it. The trucks should be salvageable, maybe the seat frames too. There's not much else I can think of that could be repurposed. But as the photos show the rust and rot on the car bodies, any kind of restoration would be extremely costly. Cutting out and replacing flat sections of rot can be done. Replacing rot from curved areas, especially the sign boxes would be laborious and costly. If the cars were stored in the confines of a dry warehouse, shielded from the sun, then they could be restored. The man who purchased these cars for restoration to live once again may have done a good deed initially. But to be stored unprotected in the elements for years was a slow death sentence. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Aug 25 09:38:39 2016, in response to Re: That trolley graveyard, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Aug 24 21:42:39 2016. Ah, OK. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Aug 25 09:39:49 2016, in response to Re: That trolley graveyard, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Aug 25 06:56:44 2016. Thanks, well said. |
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Posted by jan k. lorenzen on Thu Aug 25 16:13:31 2016, in response to Re: That trolley graveyard, posted by aaron on Tue Aug 23 19:36:35 2016. Yes, even those cars are considered PCC's, even though they were built with new parts instead of salvaged PCC streetcar parts, the car bodies, control systems and trucks still used the patents. |
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Posted by jan k. lorenzen on Thu Aug 25 16:32:40 2016, in response to Re: That trolley graveyard, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Aug 25 06:56:44 2016. Well, they were purchased to supply serviceable or restorable cars to the proposed low cost streetcar projects that were popping up around the US in the 90's, just as these cars were getting retired.The cars were available for the cost of moving them off the transit property. The Boston air cars were literally rebuilt by the T and put on the scrap line, so not all of them were worn out junk. Some other cars were near junk, but saving them was better than having them gone forever. What happened is that the federal funding and interest in using the old streamliners dried up. Now the federal money is for modern streetcars which as we know are popping all over the place. Several of the PCC's have already donated trucks and parts. Three nice Boston air cars were inside the large shed all this time protected and a Philly car I believe has joined them. The Pittsburgh 1700's and two of the Shaker cars outside have collapsed over their trucks, but bear many valuable parts yet. Just have to keep the kiddie vandals, "abandoned" explorer types and mal-informed bloggers off the private property. |
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Posted by jan k. lorenzen on Thu Aug 25 16:42:53 2016, in response to Re: That trolley graveyard, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Aug 23 20:37:42 2016. BOO!"I am the ghost of Emil H. Piron, and you muuuUUUUST LEEEEAAAAAAVVVEE this place!" *with creepy dramatic organ music punctuated with loud 600 volt arc snap* |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 25 20:03:35 2016, in response to Re: That trolley graveyard, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Aug 23 20:26:49 2016. They still had PCC technology, but were built with all-new components. |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Aug 26 11:43:15 2016, in response to Re: That trolley graveyard, posted by jan k. lorenzen on Thu Aug 25 16:42:53 2016. Call Zacherle! |
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