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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Jul 1 07:16:40 2016, in response to Re: SAS tracks., posted by renee gil on Thu Jun 30 13:55:30 2016. I'll take your word for it :)I might have the brochure at home, someplace.. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Jul 1 07:18:58 2016, in response to Re: SAS tracks., posted by renee gil on Mon Jun 27 16:45:30 2016. The yellow S was extended to 34th Street peak hours. I thought it went to 42nd the rest of the time, but you mentioned in another post it went only to 57th in off peak hours.I only saw R32s on that service. I remember the 1995 Q through Montague service... |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Jul 1 21:44:39 2016, in response to Re: SAS tracks., posted by renee gil on Mon Jun 27 16:45:30 2016. I think the 63rd Street Shuttle were extended to 34th Street-Herald Square station for a time. The 63rd Street Shuttle ran mostly R-32s.I remember that. I was waiting at 57th/7th and the first (southbound) train to arrive was a shuttle bound for 34th. I think it was an 8-car train of R32s. |
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Posted by Handbrake on Sun Jul 3 12:38:27 2016, in response to Re: SAS tracks., posted by R30A on Mon Jun 27 16:24:01 2016. The portion of what will be know as the SAS from the BMT station at 57th &7th Avenue on G3 & G4 track is officially referred to as the Second Avenue Connector, since the actual route if the SAS is, well Second Avenue.No different that the 11th Street cutoff, AKA BMT-IND connector between the BMT 60th Street under river tunnel and IND Queens Plaza in LIC, Queens. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 3 13:12:36 2016, in response to Re: SAS tracks., posted by Handbrake on Sun Jul 3 12:38:27 2016. Truth.It is now possible to walk under Second Avenue from 63rd, all the way to 105th. And to think,all it took was five billion dollars to do it. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Jul 3 15:01:14 2016, in response to Re: SAS tracks., posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 3 13:12:36 2016. What was the 'original' cost? |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jul 3 17:58:31 2016, in response to Re: SAS tracks., posted by Handbrake on Sun Jul 3 12:38:27 2016. The tracks between the 11 St Cut and Qns Plz are officially designated “GD1 and GD2." |
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Posted by renee gil on Sun Jul 3 18:03:41 2016, in response to Re: SAS tracks., posted by randyo on Sun Jul 3 17:58:31 2016. yep. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 4 12:40:14 2016, in response to Re: SAS tracks., posted by Elkeeper on Sun Jul 3 15:01:14 2016. 3.5 billion 1999 study.1968 study had the line coming in just under 500 million for the whole route,including the Bronx extensions. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jul 4 15:24:01 2016, in response to Re: SAS tracks., posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 4 12:40:14 2016. Thanks for the info! |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Jul 6 01:49:53 2016, in response to Re: SAS tracks., posted by Q4 on Tue Jun 28 13:31:31 2016. Here's what the track layout will look like once the construction of Phase 1 is complete.
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Jul 6 02:46:03 2016, in response to Re: SAS tracks., posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Jul 6 01:49:53 2016. Diamond crossovers north AND south of 72nd Street? Why is that? I think it would have been better to put a pocket track north of 72nd. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Jul 6 03:25:51 2016, in response to Re: SAS tracks., posted by 3-9 on Wed Jul 6 02:46:03 2016. That was changed back in 2008. See pages 3 through 8 of the linked PDF. Page 5 shows the layout as built. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Jul 6 03:55:47 2016, in response to Re: SAS tracks., posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Jul 6 03:25:51 2016. But they should have compensated for the reduction of 72nd St by putting a pocket track north of 72 nd instead of a crossover. The pocket track could have been used as a crossover as well as a turnaround and a storage track. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Wed Jul 6 07:19:51 2016, in response to Re: SAS tracks., posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Jul 6 01:49:53 2016. do you know where the full updated version of this is?https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2541531/469stations-846miles.pdf |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Jul 6 10:12:06 2016, in response to Re: SAS tracks., posted by Union Tpke on Wed Jul 6 07:19:51 2016. I'm working on it. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Jul 6 11:00:14 2016, in response to Re: SAS tracks., posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 3 13:12:36 2016. And 44 years... |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Wed Jul 6 13:26:15 2016, in response to Re: SAS tracks., posted by Union Tpke on Wed Jul 6 07:19:51 2016. Link here. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Wed Jul 6 13:27:26 2016, in response to Re: SAS tracks., posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 3 13:12:36 2016. Time to stop pouring money into this hole. From 96th going North, it's a downhill walk after work. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Wed Jul 6 13:41:02 2016, in response to Re: SAS tracks., posted by 3-9 on Wed Jul 6 02:46:03 2016. Just in case there is a need for wrong railing. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 6 14:33:23 2016, in response to Re: SAS tracks., posted by Steamdriven on Wed Jul 6 13:27:26 2016. Regardless of your meaning or intent,the subway is needed.The Problem here,is it wont serve ENOUGH riders due to its lack of physical branches to other borough's..such as The Bronx(which should be obvious to all). The route as designed kills capacity. |
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Posted by chud1 on Wed Jul 6 14:55:52 2016, in response to LinkedRe: SAS tracks., posted by SUBWAYMAN on Wed Jul 6 13:26:15 2016. outstanding!chud1. :)..... |
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Posted by jrr4 on Wed Jul 6 15:52:38 2016, in response to Re: SAS tracks., posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Jul 6 01:49:53 2016. Thank you! |
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Posted by Q4 on Wed Jul 6 17:15:53 2016, in response to Re: SAS tracks., posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 6 14:33:23 2016. While the planned extension and service pattern to 125th St. and Lexington under Phase II does not include any new direct physical connection to existing branches (other than the Phase I connection of the Q down Second and then to Broadway)or to the other borough's, the current Phase II plan does calls currently call for two non-revenue tracks proceeding off of the revenue tracks that head for Lexington Avenue. These non-revenue tracks will continue down Second Avenue for a stint and can be used for layups and eventually in Phase IV or IX (in 20XX or 21XX)be connected to an underwater tunnel leading into the Bronx. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Wed Jul 6 17:36:15 2016, in response to Re: SAS tracks., posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 6 14:33:23 2016. What's killing it is greed and corruption. Five BILLION dollars was enough to send it to 125th, and possibly connect to the Bronx. We have thousands of able bodied people in homeless shelters, for what the city pays to house them (more than you'd think) they could have dug a tunnel for the 2nd ave Lex-Bronx connector using hand and air tools.Or the existing work could have been done in a less wasteful, less corrupt manner, but still with some 3rd cousins employed, some payoffs paid and other nods to current accepted practices. Considering the vast power of modern equipment and the ability of semi-automated machinery to amplify a worker's reach and speed, the whole thing could have probably been done with a half the staff, in half the time, at half the depth under the street and with room for center tunnels for later use (2 tracks now, 2 more possible later). |
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Posted by FtgreeneG on Wed Jul 6 17:40:28 2016, in response to Re: SAS tracks., posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 6 14:33:23 2016. I agree. At this point to make a dent in lex av line over crowding issue the SAS has to AT LEAST be extended to 125th st. But this is a start. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 6 17:50:11 2016, in response to Re: SAS tracks., posted by Q4 on Wed Jul 6 17:15:53 2016. The stub ended tracks under 2nd avenue and 125 should contain a station,as outlined within the original plan.The line SHOULD BE extended to 149th st 3rd avenue. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Wed Jul 6 17:53:20 2016, in response to LinkedRe: SAS tracks., posted by SUBWAYMAN on Wed Jul 6 13:26:15 2016. I have that link, but it does not have the full tracks layout for the SAS. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Wed Jul 6 17:58:08 2016, in response to Re: SAS tracks., posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 6 17:50:11 2016. I fully agree. This would be the first phase. Then it should be extended via the Park Avenue ROW to Fordham Plaza, where it would merge with a Fordham Road Line extension of the Eighth Avenue Line, before going via Pelham Parkway to Co-Op City.The Queens Bypass should be built, and the Port Washington Branch should be transferred to subway service. A connection between the SAS and the 60th Street Tunnel should be provided. A track connection to the Manhattan Bridge North Tracks should be provided for flexibility. At Eighth Street, a line should head east, crossing the East River and going under Grand Street, Bushwick Avenue, Stuyvesant Avenue, and Utica Avenue. The main branch of SAS should go via Park Row before merging with the Nassau Street Line for a transfer to the Fulton Center, and then a new tunnel connection between Court Street on the Fourth Avenue Line, and the Fulton Local tracks would be built. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Jul 6 21:33:07 2016, in response to Re: SAS tracks., posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 6 17:50:11 2016. No it shouldn't contain a station. You'd need tail tracks for the stub tracks then. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Jul 6 21:34:07 2016, in response to Re: SAS tracks., posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 6 14:33:23 2016. How does it kill capacity? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 6 23:35:42 2016, in response to Re: SAS tracks., posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Jul 6 21:33:07 2016. A station located there would not preclude tail tracks from being built.To suggest it would is foolish. The 1968 plan contained 4 extra tracks to store trains during off peak hours. While it is well established that the line has altered from THAT plan,for the PRICE they are estimating(5.5 Billion for 3 stations,connecting tunnels between the old work and new structures). Bottom line is,the price is far too costly so little work. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 6 23:37:20 2016, in response to Re: SAS tracks., posted by Steamdriven on Wed Jul 6 17:36:15 2016. No argument from me. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jul 7 00:02:06 2016, in response to Re: SAS tracks., posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 6 23:35:42 2016. The price is the price. Adding a station there would not only cost more money for the station but also more money for the tail tracks that would have to be built beyond the stub tracks. Who is paying for all this? |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jul 7 00:02:39 2016, in response to Re: SAS tracks., posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Jul 6 21:34:07 2016. Bump |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Jul 7 14:27:35 2016, in response to Re: SAS tracks., posted by Steamdriven on Wed Jul 6 17:36:15 2016. Indeed,the US arranges to squander money at horrendous rates while accomplishing little. I will say again that deep tunnel subways are a dumb idea--not only more expensive, but less useful for riders who waste time on long escalator rides to/from overly deep platforms. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Jul 7 14:36:15 2016, in response to Re: LinkedRe: SAS tracks., posted by Union Tpke on Wed Jul 6 17:53:20 2016. That's because I haven't published that update yet. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Jul 7 14:49:50 2016, in response to Re: SAS tracks., posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 6 23:37:20 2016. Same here... |
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