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Posted by AlM on Tue Mar 22 01:01:39 2016 MTA will demand any royalties.This is not a heypaul post. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Mar 22 08:34:28 2016, in response to Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by AlM on Tue Mar 22 01:01:39 2016. He is currently in jail for stealing a Greyhound bus. Greyhound is not pursuing this kind of demand, why should the MTA? |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Mar 22 08:56:49 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Mar 22 08:34:28 2016. Because they can. And hopefully because it will make financial sense. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Mar 22 09:23:45 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Mar 22 08:34:28 2016. Any profits from a felony (Son of Sam law?) can be seized. This should make an interesting test case. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Mar 22 09:27:16 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Mar 22 09:23:45 2016. How will it be a test case? |
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Posted by HART BUS on Tue Mar 22 09:36:37 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Mar 22 09:23:45 2016. But seeing Julia Roberts play his lawyer might make the movie palatable. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Mar 22 10:06:19 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Mar 22 09:23:45 2016. God forbid he can afford proper mental health treatment or perhaps a move to a non-transit city. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Mar 22 10:36:08 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by HART BUS on Tue Mar 22 09:36:37 2016. Forest Whitaker as Darius. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Mar 22 10:44:33 2016, in response to Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by AlM on Tue Mar 22 01:01:39 2016. There's also a documentary about him coming out next month...http://www.offtherailsmovie.com/#STORY I wonder if the TA will let the film studio use the museum cars for the flashback scenes? In other articles about this movie if was said it would be a lot of flashback scenes of him stealing transit vehicles... Also think its absurd the TA wants the money that Darius will make from this movie. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Mar 22 10:49:58 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Mar 22 10:44:33 2016. It would be an interesting movie with the story of Darius, it would me more interesting if it somehow showed Darius stealing stuff. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Mar 22 10:55:50 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Mar 22 09:27:16 2016. Having the "Son of Sam" law applied in a situation like this As far as I know has never happened. If that indeed is the case, there would be no precident, therefore making it a "test case" |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Mar 22 11:00:44 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Mar 22 10:44:33 2016. I wonder if the TA will let the film studio use the museum cars for the flashback scenes?Why would/should they? Also think its absurd the TA wants the money that Darius will make from this movie.Why do you think that? |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Mar 22 11:01:24 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Mar 22 10:55:50 2016. What is so special about this situation? |
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Posted by The Silence on Tue Mar 22 12:15:06 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Mar 22 11:01:24 2016. do you know of any other public agencies to take such actions? |
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Posted by The Silence on Tue Mar 22 12:16:56 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Mar 22 10:44:33 2016. Why not? Darius committed felony offences and by law, you can't make money off committing a crime. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Mar 22 12:19:23 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by The Silence on Tue Mar 22 12:16:56 2016. So then any share of the profits set aside for Darius would be the money possibly subject to the law. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Mar 22 12:19:23 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by The Silence on Tue Mar 22 12:16:56 2016. So then any share of the profits set aside for Darius would be the money possibly subject to the law. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Mar 22 13:04:19 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by The Silence on Tue Mar 22 12:15:06 2016. No, but I haven't researched it. So what you are trying to say, in a convoluted way, is that you think a public agency being the recipient of the income is different from an individual person or persons? If so, based on my reading of the article, and without knowing the particulars of the son of sam law, I don't see why they should necessarily be so different that this would become a test case. |
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Posted by Alan Follett on Tue Mar 22 13:25:29 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by HART BUS on Tue Mar 22 09:36:37 2016. Oh--as his /lawyer/. For a moment there I thought we were looking at the worst case of miscasting since John Wayne played Genghis Khan.Alan Follett Hercules, CA |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Mar 22 14:16:17 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Mar 22 11:01:24 2016. "What is so special about this situation?"I think unique would be a better word instead of special. To the best of my knowledge, there has never been a case where an individual swiped trains & busses then have a movie production made from it, then have a municipality go after the movie profits based on his felony(s) convictions & the Son of Sam law. In that sense, this would be a test case. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 22 14:27:42 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Mar 22 14:16:17 2016. That's ridiculous. Looking at it that way, every case is a test case. So no. |
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Posted by The Silence on Tue Mar 22 14:31:49 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Mar 22 12:19:23 2016. correct. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Mar 22 16:35:42 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Mar 22 08:56:49 2016. Sort of playing a devil’s advocate here, it’s possible that the money could be put in some sort of a trust for Mc Cullom’s family and if the movie company is outside NY state, the MTA may not have any legal standing to compel enforcement of a NY law outside the jurisdiction of the state. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Mar 22 16:38:27 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 22 14:27:42 2016. Good point. Probably the only way it could become a test case is if Mc Cullom’s family were to mount a court challenge to any attempt at recovery by the MTA. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Mar 22 16:39:11 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by Alan Follett on Tue Mar 22 13:25:29 2016. I saw that movie, “The Conqueror." |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 22 17:07:55 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by randyo on Tue Mar 22 16:35:42 2016. The Son of Sam law deals solely with profits by the criminal, not by anyone else. It does not affect the film studio's profits. |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Tue Mar 22 17:17:03 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by randyo on Tue Mar 22 16:39:11 2016. What's terrible about the Conqueror is that all the location shooting was done very close to a place in Utah where there had been heavy atomic bomb testing, and they brought back a lot of soil to the studio. Almost everybody involved with the movie- cast and crew - ended up dying from very virulent forms of cancer.Which brings up this on topic point - where are they going to shoot this? Certainly the MTA won't let them any where near their property. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 22 17:22:24 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Tue Mar 22 17:17:03 2016. I think the word you're looking for is "aggressive." |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Mar 22 17:24:05 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by randyo on Tue Mar 22 16:38:27 2016. "Probably the only way it could become a test case is if Mc Cullom’s family were to mount a court challenge to any attempt at recovery by the MTA."...and you know thats going to to happen. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Tue Mar 22 18:50:27 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Tue Mar 22 17:17:03 2016. Working on that dirt was not a great idea, especially if it was an indoor set (thus the dirt doesn't get sloshed with occasional rain).But in general, about 40% of people will get cancer. Among the movie's crew, the cancer rate was a few points over 40%. Inhaling the powdered form of something (dust) is a great way to enhance its hazard. The telling fact would be not if people got cancer, but comparing their age at onset and the types of cancer with the general population. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Mar 22 19:08:29 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 22 17:07:55 2016. Good point, however, any monies going to a member of Mc Cullom’s family might be perceived as indirectly benefiting him also. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Mar 22 19:10:34 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Tue Mar 22 17:17:03 2016. Like the little known second version pf Pelham 123 which was made for TV, it could be shot in Toronto. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Mar 22 19:11:12 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 22 14:27:42 2016. Test case;From Webster,"a case that sets a precedent for other cases involving the same question of law." Since no other case with these specific particulars like this has been brought before the bench, no precedent exists (Son of Sam law being applied in a situation here) thus by defination, this would qualify as a test case. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 22 19:37:03 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Mar 22 19:11:12 2016. I know what a test case is.And as I told the last guy, that reasoning is invalid as almost every case would be test case under your reasoning. What I want to know is WHAT SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THIS CASE WOULD MAKE IT A TEST CASE. HOW DO YOU KNOW IT WOULDN'T BE AN OPEN AND SHUT CASE? WHAT PART OF THE WORDING OF THE LAW OR THE PAST APPLICATION OF THE LAW MAKES YOU DOUBT THAT THE MTA EASILY QUALIFIES AS THE VICTIM? |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Mar 22 19:38:28 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Tue Mar 22 17:17:03 2016. They might change their tune about the property if they think they can make a buck off the thing. If they could get the profits and charge for use of the property besides, greed might rear its ugly head. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Mar 22 19:43:31 2016, in response to Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by AlM on Tue Mar 22 01:01:39 2016. Somehow, this seems like another law run amok. Legitimate transit employees have in some cases done more harm than Darius will ever do. Should we have a claw-back law that requires them to forfeit their previously-paid salaries if they wreck a train and kill people? |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Mar 22 19:45:45 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Tue Mar 22 17:17:03 2016. Money Train had a scene on TA property and that movie they stole a train AND the TA's revenue!Also there was another movie which had someone become a 12-9 (In the movie, not in real life) which was clearly filmed at Broad Street on the J. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 22 19:59:34 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Mar 22 19:43:31 2016. One thing has nothing to do with the other. |
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Posted by heypaul on Tue Mar 22 21:07:23 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Mar 22 19:45:45 2016. "Also there was another movie which had someone become a 12-9 (In the movie, not in real life) which was clearly filmed at Broad Street on the J."No one hit by a train in that scene. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Mar 22 21:15:06 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Mar 22 19:43:31 2016. Huh? |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Tue Mar 22 21:36:48 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Mar 22 19:43:31 2016. If they or their agent market themselves as a celebrity from it, yes. |
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Posted by The silence on Tue Mar 22 21:47:49 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Mar 22 19:43:31 2016. The point of the law in question doesn't take legit pay. it prevents someone from earning profit from selling their stories of the crime they committed. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Mar 23 14:02:04 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by randyo on Tue Mar 22 16:35:42 2016. Maybe if he had a bit of money, he could use it for some legal activities that would divert him from stealing transit vehicles. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 23 14:07:39 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Mar 23 14:02:04 2016. LOL, doubtful! |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 23 17:49:57 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by randyo on Tue Mar 22 19:10:34 2016. The TA did not much like the idea of Pelham 1-2-3, feared a copycat.I do not think they would like this either. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Mar 23 18:03:01 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 23 17:49:57 2016. You refer to a 1974(?) movie and ignore everything that's been released since?? LOL! |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 23 18:04:02 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 23 17:49:57 2016. If money went into a trust for direct payment of ongoing mental health treatment that might be reasonable. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Mar 24 00:36:39 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 23 18:04:02 2016. Nah |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Mar 24 06:24:42 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 23 14:07:39 2016. Darius has the proverbial "hair up his a**, he's most likely never going to get over it. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri May 27 16:36:15 2016, in response to Re: Darius McCollum movie being planned, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 22 19:37:03 2016. I think that the point being made is that since this would be the first incidence of an attempt to recover it would be a test case. If a previous victim had sought to recover, then that would have been the test case and not the one involving the MTA. While not a definite, the first attempt at enforcing a “new” law in effect becomes the test case for any subsequent actions. |
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