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Tuscarora Almanac - April 29, 1956 - The Book of First Runs |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Tue Apr 29 09:17:31 2014 Tuscarora Almanac - April 29, 1956 - The Book of First RunsThis is the first day of operation of IND Route A 8th Avenue Express trains over the former BMT Fulton Street El in Queens between 80 Street-Hudson Street Station and Lefferts Boulevard Terminal. The first train was a special which ran non-stop from Grant Avenue to Lefferts Boulevard. It carried passengers and various dignitaries. The consist was ten R-10’s, 3153,1811,3288,3316,1851,1817,3108,3185,3342,3343. The first train in regular service left Euclid Avenue at 12:21 PM and had a four car consist of R-10’s; 3004,1820,1808,3049. ERA Headlights June 1956 Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29, 1956 - The Book of First Runs |
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Posted by chud1 on Tue Apr 29 09:21:18 2014, in response to Tuscarora Almanac - April 29, 1956 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Tue Apr 29 09:17:31 2014. Excellent!chud1. :).... |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29, 1956 - The Book of First Runs |
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Posted by Randyo on Tue Apr 29 17:38:22 2014, in response to Tuscarora Almanac - April 29, 1956 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Tue Apr 29 09:17:31 2014. I wasn't aware of the special. That means that the train I rode might have been the first regular train after all. The TA had service notices in the cars and on the stations indicating the time the first train to Lefferts would leave 207 St. I entered at my home station 168 St and let what i figured should have been the foist train go by since it was signed for Euclid. When the next train came through, I figured I had better board it and go to Euclid to find out what was going on. When I got to Euclid, I discovered that through service was not being run but that Lefferts service was being provided by shuttles. I boarded the shuttle that was there and rode it to Lefferts where I saw a group of railfans holding placards reading "First train to Lefferts" and other similar words. That being the case, I'm not sure if those railfans were on the special or the first train that ran all the way from Euclid. What angered me was the misinformation on the poster that indicated that through service would be operating from 207 St when in fact that was not the case. Had the TA posted accurate information, I would have unquestioningly been on the first shuttle from Euclid. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29, 1956 - The Book of First Runs |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 29 17:45:29 2014, in response to Tuscarora Almanac - April 29, 1956 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Tue Apr 29 09:17:31 2014. Why the need for a shuttle train? |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29, 1956 - The Book of First Runs |
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Posted by Randyo on Tue Apr 29 18:40:46 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29, 1956 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 29 17:45:29 2014. I didn't know it at the time, but per union agreement, a new division, the Rockaway Division was established initially to provide runs for BMT train crews displaced by the closing of the Fulton St el. When the vote was taken IRT crews packed the meeting and runs on the Rockaway Div were allotted based on the number of total employees on each division. Initially, the Euclid - Lefferts operation was kept as a shuttle, when the Rockaways opened in June of that year, alternate A trains operated through to Lefferts and alternate As turned at Euclid, At that point, the E became the Rockaway service, and IND crews were relieved at Euclid by Rockaway Division crews. This practice continued until the Chrystie merger of the BMT and IND when the Rockaway Division was abolished and IRT crews who were able to pick Rockaway were forced back to their home division. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29, 1956 - The Book of First Runs |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Wed Apr 30 08:42:49 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29, 1956 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Randyo on Tue Apr 29 18:40:46 2014. I remember the changing of a crew on one weekend day at Euclid after alternate "A" service to Far Rockaway was just established in July 1967. When the R-10 "A" train pulled into Euclid, the M/M came out of his cab but told the passengers to stay put in the train, and the next M/M came in to the cab for the continuing of the run to Far Rockaway. And so it goes...-William A. Padron ["MOTT"] |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29, 1956 - The Book of First Runs |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Wed Apr 30 08:45:54 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29, 1956 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Randyo on Tue Apr 29 17:38:22 2014. The R-10 special train with the VIPs that left Euclid was signed up at the Lefferts end as simply "'A'|'Special", and there were some TA employees with cameras on the trackbed near 80th-Hudson getting their own pictures being taken towards the train. A photo of such is in the Transit Museum photo archives at Livingston Plaza.-William A. Padron ["GRANT"] |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29, 1956 - The Book of First Runs |
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Posted by chud1 on Wed Apr 30 15:34:33 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29, 1956 - The Book of First Runs, posted by William A. Padron on Wed Apr 30 08:42:49 2014. i guess da crew took their equipment with them on da change.chud1. :).... |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29, 1956 - The Book of First Runs |
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Posted by Randyo on Wed Apr 30 15:51:44 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29, 1956 - The Book of First Runs, posted by William A. Padron on Wed Apr 30 08:42:49 2014. After the IND got full control of the Rockaways, F/R A Line crews would change at Euclid either S/B or N/B depending on the way the work program was cut. A similar situation existed at E 180 St on the #5 before the crew room was built at Dyre. The reason for the crew changes at those locations was the lack of proper crew facilities at Dyre and Far Rock which necessitated the enroute crew changes. The A at that time was also a polyglot of services with A trains originating at Far Rock, Lefferts and Euclid. An A crew arriving at Euclid on a layup would often be relieved by a switchman who took the train to the yard. That crew would after recovery time relieve a crew from 207 St, take that train to Far Rock and bring that train back through to 207 St. Some crews would operate through the Far Rock, return the Euclid and be relieved either for recovery or lunch and then relieve a crew coming from Far Rock and take that train to 207St. Until Far Rock service became the full midnight service, per union agreement, crews were only supposed to be scheduled for one Far Rock trip. The other trip had to be a Lefferts. Crews could make 2 Lefferts trips but not 2 far Rocks. Now that the principal full time A service goes to Far Rock, crews do make 2 Far Rock trips. Also back then there was no full time supervision at Far Rock so the Far Rock crews had to report and be relieved at Euclid. Once the crew facilities at Far rock were upgraded and a full time supervisor assigned there, Far Rock crews could now operate through. Oddly enough, Rock Pk had a full time T/D and good crew facilities from the beginning even though Rock Pk service ended up being a shuttle for most of the time. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29, 1956 - The Book of First Runs |
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Posted by Randyo on Wed Apr 30 15:53:42 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29, 1956 - The Book of First Runs, posted by William A. Padron on Wed Apr 30 08:45:54 2014. It also sounds like some regular passengers were allowed on that train along with the VIPs. Was that the case? |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Wed Apr 30 16:43:54 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29, 1956 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Randyo on Wed Apr 30 15:53:42 2014. I could not find any such or other information about the train's passengers, except that from the NY Times microfilm archive, the story reported that the M/M on that special R-10 train was a 24-year veteran of the IND who started working there in that same position on the "A" line since its opening in 1932.-William A. Padron ["Euclid"] |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29, 1956 - The Book of First Runs |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu May 1 14:23:00 2014, in response to Tuscarora Almanac - April 29, 1956 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Tue Apr 29 09:17:31 2014. Thank you, Larry for the reminder. This was a bug day indeed in subway history. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Apr 30 19:36:51 2016, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29, 1956 - The Book of First Runs, posted by William A. Padron on Wed Apr 30 16:43:54 2014. Then he started working when the A only ran between 207 St and Chambers St. Interestingly, at the time the IND was planned, it was always planned to have it eventually take over that portion of the Fulton El although the exact route of the connection was not completely finalized. The meant that that M/M operated on the A Line from its initial terminals to the full planned extent of the line. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Apr 30 23:02:31 2016, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29, 1956 - The Book of First Runs, posted by William A. Padron on Wed Apr 30 08:42:49 2014. I remember something like that when my mother and I rode out to Far Rockaway (actually got off at Straiton) also in the summer of 1967. I heard the Chow! at Euclid and I was like why is that happening. Then eventually we were off (I don't think we were in the first car, so I may not have seen the change of crews) |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Tue Jan 8 12:12:47 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29, 1956 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Randyo on Tue Apr 29 17:38:22 2014. Same thing happened to me for the first train up Second Avenue. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29, 1956 - The Book of First Runs |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jan 8 12:35:06 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - April 29, 1956 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Randyo on Wed Apr 30 15:51:44 2014. South of Broad Channel, what is the ridership difference on the Far Rockaway stations, versus those on the Rockaway Park spur. |
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