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Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'' |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Aug 23 17:05:43 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by 3-9 on Sun Aug 23 14:41:27 2015. the NY&A engines never had HEP, if they ran as powerpacks the main engine was used to produce 660volt DC but no traction was available from that unit. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Sun Aug 23 19:54:08 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Aug 23 13:33:22 2015. Quite true. The freight railroads outside the NEC are all cross-compatible with equipment, as evidenced by the bizarre rainbow lashups that we see all the time.What I don't understand is what the actual clearance issues are at Jamaica and elsewhere around the LIRR system? They seem just fine with Plate C freight. And the LIRR diesel equipment is too big to get through the North River tunnels to NJ, since it doesn't have the clipped corners. But yet equipment that clears the supposed "North American ruling clearance" through the North River tunnels, a full foot shorter than Plate C plus the chopped corners can't clear Jamaica? I just don't get what the geometry at issue is here. But yes, in general, I agree. They should standardize at least enough to be able to buy pseudo-standard equipment to the North River tunnels clearance profile. As I understand it, Atlantic Ave and ESA both have even tighter clearances, but they are electric-only, so it doesn't really matter? LIRR will never meet the new standard, which is basically ~23' overhead clearance and no third rail, but they could at least fully meet Plate C minus third rail outside of ESA and Atlantic Ave. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Sun Aug 23 20:01:26 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sun Aug 23 11:43:24 2015. Well, they also need to stop being so stupid. |
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Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'' |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Sun Aug 23 20:02:01 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Joe V on Sun Aug 23 11:05:13 2015. The 4 P40's have supposedly been sold to CDOT now. Paint TBD. Maybe they'll finally paint a P40 in McGinness! |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Aug 23 20:43:01 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by ElectricTraction on Sun Aug 23 19:54:08 2015. Too bad FTA/FRA didn't lean on MTA to make ESA fully compatible. One of the few downsides to making the 7 go to Jersey is the IRT dimensions. BTW, does anyone know whether the Javits extension was built to IND/BMT sizes (other than the platforms). |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Sun Aug 23 22:37:43 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Aug 23 20:43:01 2015. There's not much point to making ESA fully compatible, and there were parts of existing tunnels there that weren't plate C size. Because of ventilation, it has to be electric anyway, where you end up with an M-7/9 size car. I don't think NYP, ESA, and Atlantic Ave are losses for not being plate C size. The rest of the system, including the possibility of diesel service to the east end that starts out of LIC, picking up passengers at Jamaica, is a loss without compatibility with equipment from other places. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Aug 23 22:58:11 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Aug 23 20:43:01 2015. Too bad FTA/FRA didn't lean on MTA to make ESA fully compatibleThe controlling factor is the 63rd Street tunnel which was built around the clearance of the Metropolitan stock. The tunnel was built in the 1970s, so short of building a time machine and convincing somebody to spend more money on rolling stock they couldn't envision being built, using the feds to make ESA fully compatible will do nothing. BTW, does anyone know whether the Javits extension was built to IND/BMT sizes (other than the platforms). IIRC, the Steinway Tunnel is the controlling factor on the Flushing Railway, so there isn't much hope of trying to solve that problem. FWIW, given that a number of European systems manage to move large numbers on narrow loading gauges, I don't think it's the worst thing in the world... |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Aug 24 02:46:07 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Aug 23 22:58:11 2015. Not surprised that MTA didn't forsee. Yes the very sharp turns, narrow tunnels of the Steinway Tunnels are the choke point. FWIW I have read numerous times that the West Side IRT S of TSQ and the East side N of GCS are BMT width tunnels.AS to narrow trains carrying more passengers per hour, we all know NYCT has been neutered for reasons discussed at length here. Short of abolishing the slow speed enforcement, the silly "fumigation" proceedures, transit will remain not so rapid. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Aug 24 08:06:06 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by ElectricTraction on Sun Aug 23 09:26:23 2015. When did the LIRR develop their signal system? When did the PRR develop theirs? If they developed incompatible systems while under common ownership, they're unlikely to feel a need to change that now, when they no longer are. BTW, if the systems are so incompatible (and I don't really know much about that), then how are things handled in the East River tubes and the trackage immediately east of them, where both types of trains have to run? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Aug 24 09:44:25 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Aug 23 22:58:11 2015. I've heard that the #7 extention to the West Side was built to B division specs. Hopefully that's true. Someday the Steinway Tunnel will have to be replaced. Assuming the new tunnel will also be built to IND/BMT specs., that would allow B division size cars to run on the Flushing Line.Who knows, maybe my great grandkids will be able to ride a nostalga train of R-32s to Main Street! |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Aug 24 11:09:41 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by ElectricTraction on Fri Aug 21 21:42:33 2015. Rebuilding the central would be far more beneficial:-2 track ROW -Rail service through the heart of the Nassau Hub -Stations in new areas not currently served I'm glad the 3rd track failed. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Aug 24 17:10:20 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Aug 24 08:06:06 2015. LIRR and PRR used the exact same signal system up to the introduction of the M1 trains. The PRR/LIRR cab signals had four aspects, the M1 design had the system integrated with the speedometer, with lamps at 10 mph intervals indicating the speed zone that the train was entering.ROAR |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Mon Aug 24 17:14:00 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Aug 24 11:09:41 2015. 1. If putting a third track on an already active railroad failed, the Central has no way in hell of ever happening.2. They are not mutually exclusive projects. Why not do both? The more redundancy and resiliency the system has, the better. Also, between the Main Line and Babylon should be electrified, to further create a network. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Aug 24 17:15:09 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Aug 24 09:44:25 2015. All new tunnels and structures are built to B div specs, with just the platform edge being extended.ROAR |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Mon Aug 24 17:19:50 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Aug 24 08:06:06 2015. I would assume the LIRR trains have to switch over to the PRR system at some point before they enter Harold Interlocking. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Aug 24 17:38:40 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by ElectricTraction on Mon Aug 24 17:14:00 2015. LION says, FOUR TRACK the mane lion. The two new tracks will be below ground (get out the boring machine) that way the NIMBYS will see a decrease in train traffic (and of course a decrease in service).The new tracks will make no stops between Jamaica and Hicksville. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Aug 24 17:40:51 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by ElectricTraction on Mon Aug 24 17:19:50 2015. Nope. It is just another signal superimposed on the tracks.ROAR |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Aug 24 17:56:04 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by ElectricTraction on Mon Aug 24 17:19:50 2015. The portion that LIRR and Amtrak share is a 60MPH railroad with not that many signal aspects. Send Amtrak locos out onto the rest of the LIRR, and they will get some false indications and slow running. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Aug 24 17:59:57 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Aug 24 11:09:41 2015. Main Line NIMBS are easier to overcome than Central Branch ones. It would have been done is LIRR were not such wimps. More intense whistle blowing and tweaking the rush hour schedules 1 or 2 minutes strategically to keep the gates down longer at a time could fix them.With the former, you have just a bunch of assholes in Floral Park and New Hyde Park. On the Central Branch you have the rich Garden City snots with lots of lawyers, then Levittown. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Aug 24 18:28:44 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Aug 24 17:15:09 2015. OK...Thanks! |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Aug 24 21:49:46 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Joe V on Mon Aug 24 17:59:57 2015. Dont forget the golf courses in Eisenhower Park.ROAR |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Aug 25 07:39:53 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 23 12:10:30 2015. Exactly, I said "some." That's based on what I've seen and actually dealt with over a long period of time. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Aug 25 07:41:06 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Dj Hammers on Sat Aug 22 05:20:30 2015. I said "some" as TS wrote. That does NOT mean everyone in that sense.And some are ultra-snobby and are not looking at the greater picture. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Aug 25 07:44:31 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Aug 22 17:38:09 2015. Some people really are strange in some ways.I've seen stranger things cause actions to be taken on stuff like inheritances that don't make sense to the normal person. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Aug 25 11:50:04 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by ElectricTraction on Mon Aug 24 17:14:00 2015. 1. Because this requires no taking of private property, which folks are right to fight. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Tue Aug 25 17:32:52 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Aug 24 17:38:40 2015. That would be nearly impossible to do while keeping the existing tracks running. It would takes years to construct. In principle, it's an interesting idea though. A two-track EL over the existing main would do the same thing, although it would have even more NIMBYism. The flip side for that is no eminent domain is required at all. But it would be absurdly expensive and impractical to do in reality. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Tue Aug 25 17:34:03 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Joe V on Mon Aug 24 17:56:04 2015. Then how does Amtrak handle similar situations on their own lines? |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Tue Aug 25 17:37:55 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Joe V on Mon Aug 24 17:59:57 2015. Quite true. That line needs to be grade separated too, but that's another story. The people on Central Branch sort of have a case against rebuilding it, since there hasn't been a railroad there for quite a while, the main line people are just baseless whiners since the railroad has been there all along.I think LIRR should discontinue throating, start reverse peak service again, and let all hell break loose among the commuters who commute into the city. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Tue Aug 25 17:57:59 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Aug 25 11:50:04 2015. Eminent Domain is a tough thing. But when it doesn't displace ANYONE, and just lops a couple of feet of grass off of some people's back yards, it's really hard to argue against. And looking at the satellite view, there are very few backyards that are even taken. Most of the route either has 3 tracks already, has plenty of room for them, or there's an industry or a street or something next to the tracks. And I think the areas that have houses near the tracks, even across a street, would be reasonable to demand engineered noise abatement walls like many highways now have on them to counter the higher traffic levels.I'm not sure that the Central involved no taking of land. Has any of the ROW been redeveloped? Who actually owns it? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Aug 26 08:08:20 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by ElectricTraction on Tue Aug 25 17:57:59 2015. It is owned by the power company.ROAR |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Aug 26 17:51:13 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Aug 26 08:08:20 2015. The whole thing? Or just sections of it that don't cross roads and such? I could see power lines just having an easement 20+ feet over the road surface... |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 26 18:13:01 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Aug 26 08:08:20 2015. Owned, or leased to LIPA/PSEG from LIRR ? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Aug 27 01:36:10 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by ElectricTraction on Tue Aug 25 17:57:59 2015. Not one bit of it has been "developed." Take a look on google maps, it's incredibly easy to trace. All there is are LIPA high tension power lines, an entrance to the parking lot for the county jail, and the walking path dividing two golf courses at Eisenhower Park. That's it |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Aug 27 10:10:26 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 21 18:24:41 2015. They bring a great deal of the equipment back without deadheads, I would expect. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Aug 27 17:48:49 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Aug 27 01:36:10 2015. How many Levittown households with large tool sheds or swimming pools think it's theirs ? |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Aug 27 17:53:53 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by SLRT on Thu Aug 20 16:01:52 2015. 2 weeks in advance. Usually available a month in advance, provided you aren't travelling on a rush hour, Friday, or Sunday train in my experience. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Aug 27 19:24:03 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Aug 27 01:36:10 2015. There's some weird thing that looks like a retention pond. But other than that, true, it appears to be physically clear. The power lines are easy to deal with. But what about the golf course? It looks like it basically goes over the ROW. Not impossible to deal with, but it still seems like it would be a lot harder than the main line. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 28 07:04:04 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Aug 27 19:24:03 2015. Is the Golf Course encroachment legal, or did LIPA look the other way ?Who is paying its property taxes ? |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Fri Aug 28 16:01:29 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 28 07:04:04 2015. Good question. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Aug 31 12:58:09 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Joe V on Thu Aug 27 17:48:49 2015. Not 1. Take a look at google maps. The ROW is clearly marked with ZERO encroachment |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Aug 31 13:04:31 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Aug 27 19:24:03 2015. Eisenhower Park is undoubtedly a bit difficult to figure out. Not sure if that section could be single tracked and shift the pathway north to be right along the tree line there? Or would it have to be a cut and cover job? Figure that part out and the rest is a cake walk |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Mon Aug 31 22:20:11 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Aug 31 13:04:31 2015. It would be an easy cut and cover job. |
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