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Posted by TheHat on Fri Jul 24 15:54:31 2015, in response to Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 24 14:37:46 2015. I'd say put it back and get some traffic off the ever narrowing roads. Look at Chicago with its multiple terminals. LETS DO IT, TRAILS TO RAILS!!!!!!!!!!!. All jokes aside we need as a metropolitan area move away from the automobile, we only have a finite amount of space, being reduced by zero vision. Lets take the pedestrian out of the equation and establish right-of-ways to transport the ever increasing masses. Use surface transport as a feeder (including express buses) or only augment a viable heavy rail network. Just my $0.02. Nice photo, thanks for posting what could be great again. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 24 16:24:08 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by TheHat on Fri Jul 24 15:54:31 2015. The pedestrian is the most important part of the equation. Everyone is a pedestrian at the start and end of their journey. The other modes, regardless of how useful, are not nearly as universal. |
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Posted by TheHat on Fri Jul 24 16:40:31 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 24 16:24:08 2015. Imagine that, a pig that can do everything that a spider does. missing a point of such epic proportions. You must have zero vision as big bird bill & poly wanna cracker flying around all of her traffic causing measures. Stay thirsty my friend. |
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Posted by Dave on Fri Jul 24 16:48:27 2015, in response to Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 24 14:37:46 2015. That was an excursion on the West Side Line, IIRC. |
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Posted by Joe on Fri Jul 24 17:11:04 2015, in response to Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 24 14:37:46 2015. In the late 1940's, railroads were more amenable to railfan trips, especially as the numbers were pretty strong, behavior sensible, and equipment available. Dad brought me on a trip from St. John's Park with a 500, possibly this trip. It was not varnish, just NYCRR coaches, probably from the commuter fleet. Memory is that it included a run under St. Mary's Park on the Port Morris Branch in The Bronx. I think we finished at GCT. Does anybody have a date for this trip?--- I can't be sure of this, but the sponsor may have been the NY Division of the ERA (which then met in the Penn Station railroad Y) or a group known as the Joint Railfan Trip Committee. Joe McMahon |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 24 17:11:47 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by TheHat on Fri Jul 24 16:40:31 2015. He no like trains. |
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Posted by Bill West on Fri Jul 24 18:03:52 2015, in response to Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 24 14:37:46 2015. TheHighline.org has another Ed Doyle passenger picture here, third down. Looks like too many people for a trade business tour but too few women for a fan trip.In the OP I also noticed the old diner at the left edge of the parking lot, it has an odd roofline under the added platform. Bill |
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Posted by Joe on Fri Jul 24 20:12:00 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by Bill West on Fri Jul 24 18:03:52 2015. Bill,I don't know whether I ever saw a woman on a fan trip in the late 1940's. Or maybe I was too young to notice! Mom certainly did not come with us. By 1962 or so, she and many other wives were on a fan trip from Chicago all the way to Silverton by rail. She and Dad make quite a few friends from the couples they met on a few longer fan trips in those years. Remember that the fan trip on the West Side Line was an electric railfan trip, not a long-distance excursion. It's good to see the young couples nowadays on nostalgia subway trains and such, partly because transit jobs are now open to women and it's not just male turf. Joe |
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Posted by BMRR on Fri Jul 24 20:56:18 2015, in response to Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 24 14:37:46 2015. Was the a branch off the highline? What is that intersection?The cross street looks like it says Laight St. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Jul 24 23:13:20 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by BMRR on Fri Jul 24 20:56:18 2015. This was the southern section of the high line. |
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Posted by piyer on Sat Jul 25 01:50:22 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by BMRR on Fri Jul 24 20:56:18 2015. The intersection is Leroy & Washington. This is the view today from roughly the same location....
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Jul 25 04:04:56 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by piyer on Sat Jul 25 01:50:22 2015. You're one block north of the terminal. Go to the next intersection (Clarkson St and Washington St) and you can see the blocked-up openings for the High Line. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Jul 25 04:32:00 2015, in response to Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 24 14:37:46 2015. With NYC real estate being hot now, it kind of works, but the fact it's so far from the subway (more than the distance from Penn Station to Herald Square), makes it not too attractive. Now, if it was extended to the Canal St stations, or better yet the Chamber St stations and the Trade Center, that wuld be interesting. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Jul 25 04:34:00 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 24 16:24:08 2015. IAWTP |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 25 10:04:10 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by 3-9 on Sat Jul 25 04:34:00 2015. Y? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 25 10:04:56 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by BMRR on Fri Jul 24 20:56:18 2015. That was the end of the line. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Jul 25 10:25:36 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 24 17:11:47 2015. Yes he does. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 25 10:37:51 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by 3-9 on Sat Jul 25 04:04:56 2015. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 25 11:56:01 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Jul 25 10:25:36 2015. He does no like trains? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 25 11:58:09 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by TheHat on Fri Jul 24 16:40:31 2015. Drugs are bad, m'kay. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 25 11:59:12 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Jul 25 10:25:36 2015. Thank you. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Jul 25 15:42:52 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 25 10:37:51 2015. Ayup. :-)Bonus points if somebody can get pics of the inside to see what's left. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Jul 25 15:53:29 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 25 10:04:10 2015. Unless you're in a wheelchair, being carried, or work in the same building as the station, you're gonna have to do a little walking to get to your destination. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sat Jul 25 22:28:07 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 25 11:58:09 2015. Agreed. |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Jul 26 01:23:22 2015, in response to Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 24 14:37:46 2015. no need for "dual modes", right?No, apparently you'd need a tri-mode as in that picture. But I'm sure the locals would love you destroying the value of their real estate. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jul 26 12:24:31 2015, in response to Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 24 14:37:46 2015. That was a fan trip 7/30/50. The loco was a DES-3 |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 26 16:23:12 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by 3-9 on Sat Jul 25 15:53:29 2015. Nobody expects a train to go from door to door any more than they expect a bus, plane, "light rail" car or boat to. And in the city especially, you sure won't be able to do that with an automobile, motorcycle or even pedal cycle. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Jul 26 16:54:23 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 26 16:23:12 2015. You can a lot closer with the latter 3, especially the last one, if you own your own bike. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 26 18:08:14 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by 3-9 on Sun Jul 26 16:54:23 2015. Then it's time to re-trash the Machine that used to rule Manhattan and who banned steam traction south of 42nd Street (14th Street originally). |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Jul 26 20:04:56 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 26 18:08:14 2015. Really has nothing to do with it, as rail transit was going to decline no matter what, and things like the High Line were going to suffer, |
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Posted by displaced angeleno on Mon Jul 27 10:13:39 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by TheHat on Fri Jul 24 16:40:31 2015. Transit, cycling and walking all reinforce each other. Automobiles alone seem to cause problems for all the other modes. The true transit advocate understands this. |
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Posted by Bill West on Mon Jul 27 15:59:22 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by displaced angeleno on Mon Jul 27 10:13:39 2015. You've presented an excellent example of transit advocacy to critique.Transit, cycling and walking all reinforce each other. -That's merely because individually they are inadequate to provide all the transportation people are seeking. Automobiles alone seem to cause problems for all the other modes. -Only because, as non-users, motorists object to being forced to pay for others. On the other hand if all forms had to pay their own way I suspect the superior service and economics of roads is what most people would choose. The true transit advocate understands this. -Sorry, preachy like phrases make an argument look weak. Increasing the transit capacity of a city defeats the natural mechanisms that limit excessive growth. Although there are lots who seek to move into the city there is no obligation to fulfill that desire and certainly no right to make others pay for doing it. Using deeper vision, look at Manhattan from the 1850's to date. Each transit step (streetcars, Els, subway) has invited an increase in the density, which raised the living cost and lowered the quality of living. In attaching blame we do need to sort out which is the cause and which is the effect. With the open space in the adjoining states, 8 cities of 1/8th the population would have been more economical and more enjoyable to live in. Only the real estate developers have benefitted from Manhattan's higher density, not the citizens It is a common political fallacy to find people who to want to raise their pride with their life style choices but do not seem to be self confident enough to be able to tolerate others declining to join them. Raising this to advocacy and wanting to compel other people to conduct their own activities in one's own manner however is not the way in a democracy. After all democracy is rule of the majority in defending themselves, not in attacking others. Participation in joint activities within that frame is voluntary not compulsory. And finally, this board was founded for the transit hobby (history, operations, technology). Transit's politics belong on the Off Topic board, this is not NARP or the like. Olog started this thread with a nice hobby picture, let's keep it that way. Bill |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 27 17:01:32 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by Bill West on Mon Jul 27 15:59:22 2015. And finally, this board was founded for the transit hobby (history, operations, technology). Transit's politics belong on the Off Topic board, this is not NARP or the like. Olog started this thread with a nice hobby picture, let's keep it that way.Who died and left you in charge? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 27 17:55:04 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by displaced angeleno on Mon Jul 27 10:13:39 2015. Automobiles alone seem to cause problems for all the other modesThat's nonsense. Government interference in infrastructure is the problem here. It's like trying to claim that the horse and buggy "cause(d) problems" for railroads and streetcars. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 27 18:08:20 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jul 26 12:24:31 2015. Thanks for the info. Alas for the possibilities lost. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jul 27 19:31:58 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by Bill West on Mon Jul 27 15:59:22 2015. Sir, I dissent on several points.First, as long as we talk either transit present, history or future, the politics of funding, service patterns, fares, etc are inextricably legitimate topics of discussion. Second, land use policies, which drive transport policy whether explicitly or merely in obedience to the laws of unforseen consequences, are also legitimate topics. Third, I completely disagree with your analysis of the quality of living in NYC. It is only in dense cities that there are enough people to support the diversity of cultural institutions/activities which one can enjoy in places such as NYC, Chicago, SF, LA... Not very many art film theaters in Bridgewater, Elburn, San Ramon, Lancaster. (suburbs or edge cities of those cities) I live a comfortable walk or quick transit ride from good live music venues, theaters showing films I like, ethic restaurants of wide variety (also about the same distance to BART as my East Village apt was to either the IND or IRT). While I do not wish to "compel" you to live in town, I do wish to "compel" you to pay for the pollution,land wasted on parking lots and multilane highways, the public health costs of auto exhaust and noise, the cost to the polity of auto deaths/trauma, and the "hidden" tax we all pay to sustain the oil cartel--both environmental degradation and the cost of USN fleets whose primary purpose is guarding our "friends" in the various oil patches. If you paid those "user fees" you might think twice about using your car. |
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Posted by Bill West on Mon Jul 27 20:26:26 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 27 17:01:32 2015. Try reviewing the political content here in the past 5 years with that of the previous 5 years. Did it change because the successive founders changed the original purpose or because individual posters have taken it upon themselves to increasingly divert the forum to politics?Bill |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 27 21:00:41 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by Bill West on Mon Jul 27 20:26:26 2015. The politics of transit are completely within the realm of "rail and rapid transit topics." |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Mon Jul 27 22:04:52 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 27 21:00:41 2015. Agreed. |
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Posted by Bill West on Mon Jul 27 22:25:32 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jul 27 19:31:58 2015. "inextricably" in regard to future land use & transit is in itself a political viewpoint. My view has been that there is no democratic reason for transport to be funded by the government. We manage getting your groceries, clothes and home on our own, as transport is much lower ranking than those, there is no need for general government involvement. The present state of affairs only exists because for a hundred years politicians have lied to the public about the real cost of transit, to the point where (a portion of) the public keeps urging services that they would drop like a hot potato if they were up to date with that real cost. All that is needed is time to talk factually and slowly bring their falsehood hardened positions back to reality.Quick counterpoints for the other items: Third, I completely disagree with your analysis of the quality of living in NYC. -my recollection of my last visit to Manhattan (2015) is dirty sidewalks, trash on the curb, construction debris & noise. Coming from the fresh air of an undensified community, I felt that at the sidewalk level NYC was not a place that looked desirable to live in. only in dense cities that there are enough people to support the diversity of cultural institutions/activities -entertainment is way down the list of things important to life. Contributing enough support for arts is a personal matter, not something to force people into via densifying the cities. That densification "tax" is like a subsidy, suggesting that those artists aren't popular enough for the people to openly pay their full cost. 80% of America does not live in those 4 big metro areas, should we densify the rest of the country to fix that? quick transit ride from good live music venues -just another transport need as already addressed pollution, costs of auto exhaust and noise -add an air tax to the fuel, categorize by emissions test results connected to the license plate. land wasted on parking lots -voluntarily sold and voluntarily paid for multilane highways -what road taxes are for, no more, no less public health costs -that's what we get when we push the people into a compulsory health scheme. Lying to them about the cost of care doesn't help either. Our nearest Province on the west coast here is British Columbia. Their "free" health costs something like $6000/family/year in working class taxes and friends tell me of the slow, choosy service. Paying the "vehicle air tax" back to the whole of the public would give the non vehicle users a compensation that could be gauged to any actual costs caused to them in their area. the cost to the polity of auto deaths/trauma -that's what private insurance is for. the "hidden" tax we all pay to sustain the oil cartel -if one doesn't want to pay for gas, then they shouldn't buy a car, they should find some likeminded people and buy their own transit method. the cost of USN fleets -The Navy is about our safety from international instability, both physically and in all areas of trade. Oil countries are just a revelation of one aspect of that risk. If you paid those "user fees" you might think twice about using your car. -I do pay those user fees, the Treasury's position relies on being able to get the taxes out of us eventually. The only problem I do have about paying the costs I cause is the people who are trying to grab money out of my pocket for their costs. In none of these transportation risks and costs is it the government's job to decide for people how to meet them, only that they must meet them for themselves and those whose services or property they ask the use of. More basically, the point/counterpoint here is why I view these subjects as political and thus they should have started on the Off Topic board. Bill |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 27 22:41:23 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by Bill West on Mon Jul 27 22:25:32 2015. So-called "undensified" communities are awful. Fresh air is overrated. You can't walk anywhere, it's incessantly loud at night (seriously, crickets are fucking annoying) and there's nothing to do. That's why the creative classes don't bother to live in the "undensified" areas. Without density there would be no creativity and innovation. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 27 22:42:14 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by Bill West on Mon Jul 27 22:25:32 2015. If the government gets into railroads, then it can't be in the OT board particularly. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 27 22:42:58 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jul 27 19:31:58 2015. It is only in dense cities that there are enough people to support the diversity of cultural institutions/activities which one can enjoy in places such as NYC, Chicago, SF, LAThat's off-topic and absurd. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jul 27 23:26:39 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 27 22:42:58 2015. Right. ERA, CERA, NYCSubway.org, FPT, all arose in small town USA??? |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jul 28 11:23:39 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 27 22:41:23 2015. That's why the creative classes don't bother to live in the "undensified" areas. Without density there would be no creativity and innovation.Yes and no. With a lot of people now able to work from home, many of them are choosing places like rural or small town Vermont. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jul 28 13:25:18 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by Bill West on Mon Jul 27 22:25:32 2015. having thought about both your implicit assumptions and expressed POV, I have two suggestions. One, seeSo, despite the trash on the sidewalks NYC, SF et al still have futures as magnets for the intelligentsia. And, required transit content; these youngsters also are less likely to drive, more likely to walk, bike, ride transit. They are thye spearhead of rising ridership ## at all of the major urban transit agencies. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jul 28 13:26:26 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jul 28 13:25:18 2015. sorry, the link got deleted by the systemhttp://www.streetsblog.net/2015/07/28/if-walmart-urbanizes-its-headquarters-whats-next-for-its-stores/ |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Jul 28 14:00:56 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jul 28 13:26:26 2015. The link didn't get deleted by the system. You just didn't use the correct HTML code. What you wrote is still in the post, you just can't see it without doing a "view source". It's displayed how you wrote it. |
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Posted by displaced angeleno on Tue Jul 28 16:09:42 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by Bill West on Mon Jul 27 15:59:22 2015. I tolerate people who don't make the same choices as I do. I don't tolerate people who make socially destructive decisions and make me pay for them. Driving and sprawl are highly subsidized endeavors through a plethora of federal, state, and local incentives. If we were to internalize the cost of congestion and pollution on drivers, I would be content with all who can pay to drive and live in suburbs doing so.I live in Brooklyn Heights and ride my bike or walk to work in DUMBO. I bought my bike with my own money and I also have a CitiBike membership. I'm pretty sure my commutes are some of the least subsidized in this country, and you don't hear me whining about taxes. I've never owned a car nor have I learned how to drive, and yet my taxes pay for the roads that I doubt I do much wear on with my sneakers, train wheels (not mine), or bicycle tires. The Highway Trust Fund has been insolvent since 2008, with federal road funds coming out of the general fund since then. For the most part, states, counties, and cities fund roads with their overall revenue streams. If all forms of transportation had to pay their own way, we would have denser cities with more people walking and cycling. Denser cities are far more economical than less dense cities, suburbs, exurbs, and rural areas, all other arguments about amenities and living styles aside. I suggest you take a look at Edward Glaeser's "Triumph of the City." |
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