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Guess the LIRR location, 1878 |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Apr 15 14:33:00 2015 
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Apr 15 15:29:43 2015, in response to Guess the LIRR location, 1878, posted by Dave on Wed Apr 15 14:33:00 2015. Locust Valley? |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Wed Apr 15 15:54:04 2015, in response to Guess the LIRR location, 1878, posted by Dave on Wed Apr 15 14:33:00 2015. Wow. Could be anywhere. I'm gonna say it looks a little further east than Locast valley. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Apr 15 16:08:42 2015, in response to Re: Guess the LIRR location, 1878, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Apr 15 15:29:43 2015. Nope. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Apr 15 16:08:57 2015, in response to Re: Guess the LIRR location, 1878, posted by Fulton Frank on Wed Apr 15 15:54:04 2015. Yep. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 CHRIS on Wed Apr 15 16:29:46 2015, in response to Guess the LIRR location, 1878, posted by Dave on Wed Apr 15 14:33:00 2015. Stony Brook? |
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Posted by Q4 on Wed Apr 15 17:11:13 2015, in response to Re: Guess the LIRR location, 1878, posted by Dave on Wed Apr 15 16:08:57 2015. Wading River |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Apr 15 17:22:51 2015, in response to Re: Guess the LIRR location, 1878, posted by Q4 on Wed Apr 15 17:11:13 2015. Nope. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Apr 15 17:23:02 2015, in response to Re: Guess the LIRR location, 1878, posted by gp38/r42 CHRIS on Wed Apr 15 16:29:46 2015. Nope. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Apr 15 17:30:15 2015, in response to Guess the LIRR location, 1878, posted by Dave on Wed Apr 15 14:33:00 2015. Whitestone?? |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Apr 15 17:58:21 2015, in response to Re: Guess the LIRR location, 1878, posted by Dave on Wed Apr 15 17:23:02 2015. The picture seems to be at the end of a line. This was the LIRR in 1878
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Posted by Dave on Wed Apr 15 19:35:18 2015, in response to Re: Guess the LIRR location, 1878, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Apr 15 17:30:15 2015. Nope. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Wed Apr 15 20:10:35 2015, in response to Guess the LIRR location, 1878, posted by Dave on Wed Apr 15 14:33:00 2015. Sag Harbor? |
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Posted by Express Rider on Wed Apr 15 20:18:40 2015, in response to Re: Guess the LIRR location, 1878, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Apr 15 17:58:21 2015. Nice map!!It looks like it even shows the Cedarhurst cutoff (Tunnelrat told me about that. Thanks Steve!!) |
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Posted by Express Rider on Wed Apr 15 20:19:31 2015, in response to Guess the LIRR location, 1878, posted by Dave on Wed Apr 15 14:33:00 2015. The original station in Northport? |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Apr 15 20:48:16 2015, in response to Re: Guess the LIRR location, 1878, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Apr 15 17:58:21 2015. Oyster Bay? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Apr 15 21:22:41 2015, in response to Guess the LIRR location, 1878, posted by Dave on Wed Apr 15 14:33:00 2015. Alright, time for a hint. And don't say non-electrified territory!!:) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 15 21:34:01 2015, in response to Re: Guess the LIRR location, 1878, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Apr 15 20:48:16 2015. Looks like Locust Valley was the terminal in 1878. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Apr 15 22:40:33 2015, in response to Guess the LIRR location, 1878, posted by Dave on Wed Apr 15 14:33:00 2015. St James? |
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Posted by Andy on Wed Apr 15 22:50:49 2015, in response to Guess the LIRR location, 1878, posted by Dave on Wed Apr 15 14:33:00 2015. Port Jefferson |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 15 22:56:58 2015, in response to Re: Guess the LIRR location, 1878, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Apr 15 22:40:33 2015. The Vulgate of St. Jerome? |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Apr 16 00:04:32 2015, in response to Guess the LIRR location, 1878, posted by Dave on Wed Apr 15 14:33:00 2015. Penn Station? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 16 00:23:35 2015, in response to Re: Guess the LIRR location, 1878, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Apr 16 00:04:32 2015. Hahahahaha! :) |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Apr 16 01:39:11 2015, in response to Re: Guess the LIRR location, 1878, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 16 00:23:35 2015. 76th St.? |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Apr 16 01:50:22 2015, in response to Re: Guess the LIRR location, 1878, posted by Andy on Wed Apr 15 22:50:49 2015. Stony brook originally looked like that, St James of course does...Port Jeff or Northport also sound reasonable as the north shore line had stations like that.Wyandanch also had a station that looked like that. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 16 02:03:50 2015, in response to Re: Guess the LIRR location, 1878, posted by Express Rider on Thu Apr 16 01:39:11 2015. Nah, back in 1878 there weren't even gators living in that swamp land. :)That whole area out there was once swamp, which apparently the IND builders quickly learned the hard way which is why they decided "screw it, we'll use that el instead." Heh. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 16 19:58:59 2015, in response to Re: Guess the LIRR location, 1878, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 16 02:03:50 2015. The IND did NOT decide to use the el instead. The extension of the Pitkin Av subway farther east was designed to coexist with the connection to the Fulton St el. I have mentioned this In many posts on this subject often enough that most of copy should familiar with it. The original specs called for existing BMT signaling to be used past 80 (Hudson) St interlocking and the connection to the LIRR ROW was to be made from an extended subway infrastructure in the vicinity of Aqueduct.. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 16 20:04:55 2015, in response to Re: Guess the LIRR location, 1878, posted by randyo on Thu Apr 16 19:58:59 2015. Oh I know, got told the whole story back in 1971. Just having some fun with that. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Apr 16 20:06:16 2015, in response to Re: Guess the LIRR location, 1878, posted by randyo on Thu Apr 16 19:58:59 2015. From what I have read in the Brooklyn Eagle in the 1930's, the current conection to Liberty Ave had been planned to be recaptured as part of the IND subway. This would have been in addition to any new subway line eastbound, east of Euclid Ave. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 17 13:38:42 2015, in response to Re: Guess the LIRR location, 1878, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Apr 16 20:06:16 2015. That’s correct. Prior to the adoption of the existing route, there were a couple of other proposals for the extension of the Fulton St subway easton Rockaway Av. One called for the subway to continue straight down Fulton St and connect to the Liberty Av structure from north of Liberty Av rather than from the south as it does now. Another had the el turning east directly under Liberty Av east of Penna Av and connecting to the Fulton structure straight on. The problem with that plan would have been that there was no good place to be able to construct a portal on Liberty Av itself and connect it to the portion of the Fulton El that was strong enough to support steel cars. Making a connection west of Chestnut St would have required the old Fulton El structure between Chestnut and 80 (Hudson) St to have been rebuilt to dual contract standards to match the eastern portion of the structure. As the city saw it, the most practical and economic way to extend the subway was to build it as it presently exists basically duplicating the route of the old Fulton El along Pitkin Av and building the portal and ramp along private property even if tit required condemnation proceedings. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Apr 17 14:02:38 2015, in response to Guess the LIRR location, 1878, posted by Dave on Wed Apr 15 14:33:00 2015. Flushing-Main Street. S. Klein is blocking the way... |
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Posted by Lord Vader on Fri Apr 17 14:12:24 2015, in response to Guess the LIRR location, 1878, posted by Dave on Wed Apr 15 14:33:00 2015. Sheepshead Bay?Vader |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 17 20:40:43 2015, in response to Re: Guess the LIRR location, 1878, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Apr 16 01:50:22 2015. It's Port Jefferson. I've seen this pic before. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Apr 17 23:35:13 2015, in response to Re: Guess the LIRR location, 1878, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 17 13:38:42 2015. The route to B'way-East NY station, via Fulton to Truxton (its present location) was done in 1930. The section would end at Jamaica/Alabama Aves. What also surprised me were the different plans to connect to Pitkin Ave from there, including private property condemnations and moving the present Liberty Ave station closer to Jamaica Ave. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Apr 18 16:16:28 2015, in response to Re: Guess the LIRR location, 1878, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Apr 17 23:35:13 2015. If the route to Bway/ENY was done as early as 1930, then why was;t the station completed and opened the same time it opened to Rockaway Ave? It is known that by 1941 the platforms and station finish at ENY were completed but track and signals were not installed due to the war, but what would have been the excuse before then? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Apr 18 20:33:58 2015, in response to Re: Guess the LIRR location, 1878, posted by randyo on Sat Apr 18 16:16:28 2015. I meant to say the route was planned in 1930. Sorry about that! |
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