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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Apr 16 08:38:19 2015 Might be a mockup, can't tell
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Apr 16 09:58:53 2015, in response to Harold Lloyd takes the subway, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Apr 16 08:38:19 2015. We can certainly see it was filmed on location (including Luna Park) so I think it would have been more economical to attempt a real car than build a mockup. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Apr 16 10:45:56 2015, in response to Harold Lloyd takes the subway, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Apr 16 08:38:19 2015. I'm checking the book "The Manhattan Els and The IRT" By Joseph Cunningham and Leonard DeHart and there is no listing for a car number 2734. The highest number of the two thousand series is 2159 which was a comopsite built in 1903-4.Can anyone confirm this ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Apr 16 11:42:01 2015, in response to Re: Harold Lloyd takes the subway, posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Apr 16 10:45:56 2015. I'm checking the book "The Manhattan Els and The IRT" By Joseph Cunningham and Leonard DeHart and there is no listing for a car number 2734. The highest number of the two thousand series is 2159 which was a comopsite built in 1903-4.Can anyone confirm this ? Bill: The highest number Manhattan Elevated Railway car was No. 1812. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Thu Apr 16 13:03:02 2015, in response to Re: Harold Lloyd takes the subway, posted by SLRT on Thu Apr 16 09:58:53 2015. Speedy was unusual for the day because it was mostly filmed on location in New York. Lloyd had a lot of clout in those days. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Apr 16 15:24:15 2015, in response to Re: Harold Lloyd takes the subway, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Apr 16 11:42:01 2015. Bill: The highest number Manhattan Elevated Railway car was No. 1812.Right, but this book had the car roster of the Manhattan Elevated thru the IRT R-12 to 36. The car in the film looked like a steel car and not a composite. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Apr 16 19:04:43 2015, in response to Re: Harold Lloyd takes the subway, posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Apr 16 15:24:15 2015. Right, but this book had the car roster of the Manhattan Elevated thru the IRT R-12 to 36.Bill: Is that the Cunningham/ De Hart History? Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Apr 16 19:17:08 2015, in response to Re: Harold Lloyd takes the subway, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Apr 16 19:04:43 2015. Bill: Is that the Cunningham/ De Hart History?Yes. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Apr 16 20:06:05 2015, in response to Re: Harold Lloyd takes the subway, posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Apr 16 19:17:08 2015. Bill: I have the book in front of me. What did you want to know?Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Apr 16 20:17:53 2015, in response to Re: Harold Lloyd takes the subway, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Apr 16 11:42:01 2015. #2159 was also the highest 2000 series Composite in Roger Arcara's ELEVATED AND SUBWAY CARS OF THE INTERBOROUGH RAPID TRANSIT COMPANY. After #2159, the numbers jump to 3000. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 16 20:20:02 2015, in response to Re: Harold Lloyd takes the subway, posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Apr 16 10:45:56 2015. The car appears to be a mock up but it is a very good one. The car is a mock up of a Hedley Hi-V which started with the number 3700 so the proper number for that car would have been 3734. Another indication that it is a mock up is that the plate signs read Coney Island and Express which a genuine Hi-V would not have displayed. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Apr 16 20:45:14 2015, in response to Re: Harold Lloyd takes the subway, posted by randyo on Thu Apr 16 20:20:02 2015. Also I seemed to notice in the crowd someone seated in a non-longitudinal seat facing either front or rear. (If that is a word) |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Apr 17 00:52:36 2015, in response to Re: Harold Lloyd takes the subway, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Apr 16 20:06:05 2015. Bill: I have the book in front of me. What did you want to know?If this book has the gray cover, check in the back where the car roster is. See if you can spot a car number 2734. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Apr 17 08:23:23 2015, in response to Re: Harold Lloyd takes the subway, posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Apr 17 00:52:36 2015. See if you can spot a car number 2734.Appendix A on pages 89 and 90 lists the Manhattan Elevated cars.Appendix B on pages 91-93 lists the IRT Subway Cars. I don't see any 2734 listed. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Apr 17 09:53:32 2015, in response to Re: Harold Lloyd takes the subway, posted by randyo on Thu Apr 16 20:20:02 2015. A mockup pulling smoothly into a station? Why? The number is in IRT style and position; I suspect they used an unused number so the car couldn't be ID'd, like using those stupid 555- telephone numbers in movies.As to the route signs, the train was supposed to be going to Coney Island, so mocking those up and hanging them is no big deal. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 17 13:55:42 2015, in response to Re: Harold Lloyd takes the subway, posted by SLRT on Fri Apr 17 09:53:32 2015. However, IRT trains did NOT go to Coney Island. If they wanted to show a train to Coney Island, the producers should have used the mock up of an AB or a D type. |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Apr 17 14:20:27 2015, in response to Re: Harold Lloyd takes the subway, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 17 13:55:42 2015. [Almost] No one watching the show would know or care whether the trains they were looking at actually went to Coney Island or not. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Apr 17 15:17:09 2015, in response to Re: Harold Lloyd takes the subway, posted by SLRT on Fri Apr 17 09:53:32 2015. Watch the video again, the interior part. There are people sitting facing front. IRT cars had longitudinal seating. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 17 15:17:31 2015, in response to Re: Harold Lloyd takes the subway, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 17 13:55:42 2015. Don’t be too sure. Many old time New Yorkers were a lot more knowledgeable about the subway and its equipment the we would imagine. a fellow member of my American Legion post can still remember the marker lights of the various BMT routes he used to take. Many IRT passengers were also familiar with their respective markers so end signs were not really necessary for them. The IND was probably the first subway in NY where route signs in the form of letters and end destination signs took on some degree of importance even though the BMT had them first on some of its equipment. |
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Posted by Jon Bell on Fri Apr 17 18:18:11 2015, in response to Re: Harold Lloyd takes the subway, posted by SLRT on Fri Apr 17 14:20:27 2015. At least they didn't use a Toronto subway train!(yeah yeah, they would had to use a time machine for that...) |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Apr 17 19:21:00 2015, in response to Re: Harold Lloyd takes the subway, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Apr 17 15:17:09 2015. I don't see that. Give me a timing? |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Sat Apr 18 16:15:40 2015, in response to Re: Harold Lloyd takes the subway, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Apr 17 08:23:23 2015. ppendix A on pages 89 and 90 lists the Manhattan Elevated cars.Appendix B on pages 91-93 lists the IRT Subway Cars. I don't see any 2734 listed.Exactly, 2734 seen in the film was a convincing prop. BillNewkirk |
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