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Race to Newark Airport from World Trade Center, report |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Fri Dec 19 01:54:15 2014 Taxi first, Subway + NJT Rail + Airtrain rank second, Path & 62 bus rank dead last |
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Re: Race to Newark Airport from World Trade Center, report |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri Dec 19 03:19:14 2014, in response to Race to Newark Airport from World Trade Center, report, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Dec 19 01:54:15 2014. Of course, they'll discount the obvious PATH + NJT + Airtrain option for some strange reason... |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Dec 19 07:46:35 2014, in response to Re: Race to Newark Airport from World Trade Center, report, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri Dec 19 03:19:14 2014. If you take PATH to Newark Penn, aren't you likely to end up an exactly the same NJT train to EWR as if you took the subway to NY Penn?I agree they should have mentioned that, since it's cheaper than NJT from NY Penn. |
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Re: Race to Newark Airport from World Trade Center, report |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Dec 19 08:31:33 2014, in response to Race to Newark Airport from World Trade Center, report, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Dec 19 01:54:15 2014. WTF? Why they keep calling the PATH extension a direct trip to Newark Airport without mentioning that a transfer to the AirTrain will still be required??????? |
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Re: Race to Newark Airport from World Trade Center, report |
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Posted by localacrosstheplatform on Fri Dec 19 10:28:53 2014, in response to Re: Race to Newark Airport from World Trade Center, report, posted by AlM on Fri Dec 19 07:46:35 2014. Depends -- if you're coming from lower Manhattan, this is often the more sensible route. You end up effectively backtracking if you take the subway up to Midtown and then get on NJT. (Put another way, it's 22 minutes WTC-NWK and 19 minutes NYP-NWK on NJT, and it takes quite a bit longer than 3 minutes to take the subway from lower Manhattan to Penn.)How long you hang around NWK waiting for an NJT train to EWR all depends NJT's schedule, unfortunately, which is sometimes good and sometimes not so much. |
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Re: Race to Newark Airport from World Trade Center, report |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Dec 19 10:31:49 2014, in response to Re: Race to Newark Airport from World Trade Center, report, posted by localacrosstheplatform on Fri Dec 19 10:28:53 2014. Put another way, it's 22 minutes WTC-NWK and 19 minutes NYP-NWK on NJTOK, then if you're standing at the corner of Church and Vesey St and don't want to spring for a cab, PATH to Newark Penn sounds quickest. So it was particularly silly of them not to include that option. |
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Re: Race to Newark Airport from World Trade Center, report |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Dec 19 11:07:36 2014, in response to Re: Race to Newark Airport from World Trade Center, report, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri Dec 19 03:19:14 2014. Of course, because that wouldn't make the case that we need to spend billions of dollars making a redundant connection between Newark Penn and the EWR transfer station. I mean, why put that money toward Gateway or another commuter rail tunnel under the Hudson which could benefit everyone in North Jersey and improve the economy of both states when it can be wasted on an inordinately expensive one station extension to give a few people with Lower Manhattan residences and/or workplaces a faster ride to the airport? |
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Posted by Charles G on Fri Dec 19 12:42:00 2014, in response to Re: Race to Newark Airport from World Trade Center, report, posted by AlM on Fri Dec 19 07:46:35 2014. If you read the personal accounts of the "racers", the person who took PATH to Newark to catch the 62 bus arrived in Newark at 4:13.The person who took the subway to Penn caught the 4:07 out of Penn "with only a minute to spare". The inconsistencies of the NJT schedule to EWR (sometimes trains less than 10 minutes apart, sometimes a 30 minute gap in service) means that in this case they would have caught the same train at both Penn and Newark Penn. At other times of the day, however, there could be a significant difference in outcomes in favor of the Path-NJT-Airtrain combo. (Assume for example that the racer going via NY Penn had just missed -- rather than just missed -- the train and then there was a 30 minute gap in the schedule. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Dec 19 12:51:04 2014, in response to Re: Race to Newark Airport from World Trade Center, report, posted by Charles G on Fri Dec 19 12:42:00 2014. I realize the variability of NJT service is a big issue. I was simplifying and assuming evenly occurring service.In actual fact, I would always check NJT schedules before taking the train to EWR. |
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Re: Race to Newark Airport from World Trade Center, report |
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Posted by localacrosstheplatform on Fri Dec 19 15:04:40 2014, in response to Re: Race to Newark Airport from World Trade Center, report, posted by Charles G on Fri Dec 19 12:42:00 2014. The inconsistencies of the NJT schedule to EWR (sometimes trains less than 10 minutes apart, sometimes a 30 minute gap in service) means that in this case they would have caught the same train at both Penn and Newark Penn. Nail, meet hammer. This is probably the biggest problem with this service. What NJT provides (or, frankly, is able to provide) is simply not real airport service. It's fairly frequent commuter service that happens to (sometimes) stop at the airport. More simply put, the schedule isn't built to accommodate air travelers -- nor, by the way, is that NJT's primary job. (This isn't SUCH a problem, by the way, for JFK, since for those of us who don't want to take the very frequent subway trains from all over the city, the LIRR -- while still a commuter railroad designed for commuters -- offers more than sufficient frequencies to Jamaica.) In an ideal world, we'd have enough tunnel capacity to run dedicated airport shuttles along the model of the Heathrow Express every 15 minutes on a clock-facing schedule (for which we'd be able to charge. And we'd actually be able to serve the terminals themselves. We do not live in such a world. This extension kind of solves one of the myriad problems with EWR service at about 3-5 times what it probably should cost for what we're getting. Having said that, considering the difficulty (impossiblity?) of getting a subway extension to LGA... I'll take it. |
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Re: Race to Newark Airport from World Trade Center, report |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Dec 19 15:50:17 2014, in response to Re: Race to Newark Airport from World Trade Center, report, posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Dec 19 08:31:33 2014. Bump. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Dec 19 16:11:11 2014, in response to Re: Race to Newark Airport from World Trade Center, report, posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Dec 19 08:31:33 2014. Journalistic simplification. It reduces the number of words in the article. That is considered a good thing in journalism.PS. The practice annoys me too, but it's a losing battle to protest it. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Dec 19 16:11:48 2014, in response to Re: Race to Newark Airport from World Trade Center, report, posted by localacrosstheplatform on Fri Dec 19 15:04:40 2014. I think the ideal situation would be to have a 15 minute headway (30 or 60 overnight, no service during peak capacity constraints) service running from EWR to JAM making all stops, (10 dollar fare including air train access, express bus fare if not combining with airtrain)My idea for equipment would be something along the lines of 3 doored M8s with loads of baggage racks. Of course, you probably need the additional gateway tubes for this to work... |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Dec 19 17:01:43 2014, in response to Re: Race to Newark Airport from World Trade Center, report, posted by R30A on Fri Dec 19 16:11:48 2014. Lower Manhattan rail tunnel? Jersey City-Fulton St-FBA? :D |
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Posted by JohnL on Fri Dec 19 19:48:35 2014, in response to Re: Race to Newark Airport from World Trade Center, report, posted by WillD on Fri Dec 19 11:07:36 2014. Not to mention that the money that went into building the extra station could have been better used to extend the monorail to Newark Penn and improve circulation within the station making this whole discussion moot. |
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