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Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Dec 17 20:11:58 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Dec 17 16:44:58 2014. Duplicate what service? The buses on Woodhaven? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 17 20:12:54 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Dec 17 16:07:40 2014. That's uncalled for. Granted he didn't fully explain what he's getting at. But still, you've been here long enough to know his angle and his schtik and to know that he's good for it. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 17 20:17:30 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Dec 17 18:39:05 2014. Then you haven't been paying proper attention to his posts all these years. LOL. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 17 20:21:37 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Dec 17 16:07:40 2014. Dude..why are you going all in on Steve?He's one of the GOOD GUYS.. not to mention you KNOW how he posts. Come on now...brah. Chill. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 17 20:47:36 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Dec 17 14:34:08 2014. Yes...technically correct if your traveling east west.But north south,the Lex is the most used rail line(subway)on the East Coast,and I dare say,most of the country. Something must be done,but not at the pace the MTA is planning. Also,the Broadway El/Jamaica line service can and Should be improved due to the resurgence of ridership and population. The current 80's era operations level is sickening. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Dec 17 21:12:28 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 17 20:05:59 2014. The SAS FEIS was written to justify building the SAS. They could not present anything that would question its necessity.One item they did not present in the FEIS was the fact that they ran 32 tph during the 1950's. The line also handled more peak passengers at that time. Dwell time is determined by train headway. The less the headway, the less time for passengers to accumulate on the platform. More importantly for maintaining a schedule, the variance of the number of people accumulating is proportional to the duration. I've made measurements during the am rush hour at Grand Central (and all the other express stations on the Lex.) There is a great variability in arrival time between trains. However, when the interval was within that for 32 tph, the dwell time was also low. 40 tph should be the nominal service level capacity for intermediate stations. There are some unique factors on the Lex express that bring this figure down to the mid 30's. Ironically, the major limiting factor is not the ones most cited by the TA - Grand Central and Union Square. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Dec 17 21:19:13 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Dec 17 20:11:58 2014. Duplicate what service?There are 5 stations proposed for reactivating the RBB: Ozone Park; Woodhaven Jct; Brooklyn Manor; Parkside and Rego Park. All but Parkside are within 1/2 mile of an existing stop on the Fulton St, Jamaica Ave or Queens Blv lines. Parkside is within a mile of Queens Blv stations. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 17 21:31:39 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Dec 17 21:19:13 2014. What about the benefit from rerouting Rockaway service? |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Dec 17 23:05:41 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Dec 17 21:19:13 2014. Do you travel Woodhaven Blvd daily? |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Dec 17 23:27:43 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 17 21:31:39 2014. The only RBB proposal on the table is to operate service from Ozone Park to Penn Station via the LIRR.Extending LIRR service to the Rockaways via the RBB would involve either eliminating subway service or building duplicate LIRR service over Jamaica Bay and on the Rockaways. LIRR service would be in zone 3. The one-way peak fare is $9.50 vs. $2.50 for the subway. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Dec 18 00:41:32 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Dec 17 23:27:43 2014. What, no subway service via Qns Blvd? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Dec 18 01:01:22 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Dec 17 23:27:43 2014. So have some imagination and say it'll be subway service. We all know LIRR service on the branch is a mistake |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 18 08:01:19 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Dec 17 16:07:40 2014. You will be very disappointed when SAS opens as far as congestion relief to the Lex goes.People boarding the Lex between 96th and 63rd and heading to the west side may find it useful, in other words, the present day transfers from the Lex at 59th. The Lex trains are still packed by 51st and 42nd. The Q train won't do a thing about that, especially if it is just alternate Q's since there is no equipment around to do any better. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Dec 18 08:11:14 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Dec 17 23:27:43 2014. That's not true. There are subway proposals as well. Either the M or R or as a branch off SAS via the 63rd St tunnel and LIRR main line to Whitepot Jct (on separate tracks, of course). |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Dec 18 08:16:06 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by italianstallion on Wed Dec 17 16:43:19 2014. Agreed. But tell that to the QueensWay supporters, because they seem to be deaf to any pleas to put trains service back there. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 18 08:23:22 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Dec 17 16:44:58 2014. If we did not have rail lines within a half mile of one another, the subway map, particularly in the Bronx and Brooklyn, would be a lot more spartan than today, there would be lot more buses, and far slower commutes. Much of the J line would not exist.I see nothing wrong with replacing buses with trains. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Dec 18 10:56:03 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Dec 17 19:57:23 2014. Just run service all the way to GCT/NYP.Any rush hour service level increase on the PW west of Woodside will have to compete with all the LIRR to find a slot into GCT (ESA). The slots will be even more difficult to find for NYP because the LIRR, NJT and MN (after ESA) will be fighting for those slots. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 18 11:10:40 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Dec 18 10:56:03 2014. Transitizing the Port Wash Branch, or at least the city portion, has been discussed on and off for 100 years. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Dec 18 11:35:17 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 18 08:23:22 2014. Let's differentiate between trunk lines and branch lines. Manhattan's geography (long and narrow) mandates trunk/branch architecture. The restricted number of north-south routes in Manhattan guarantees trunk lines will be in close proximity.The SAS isn't a trunk line, even though it runs parallel to one. It's got no connections to branch lines in the Bronx, Brooklyn or Queens. It's not likely to get any in the foreseeable future. It's a branch line with 3 new stops. All these stops are within 1/2 mile of an existing stop on the Lex. The outer borough branch lines have a rich history. Many were built during the robber baron era. The purpose for building some lines was extortion. The builder purposely built a competing line adjacent to an existing one. The builder's object was to force the original line to buy them out rather than actually operate the new line. The same strategy continued with the building of the IND. The difference was that the IND was designed to destroy the existing Dual Contract operators. The Queens Blv Line was the sole IND branch line exception. It's construction spurred new population growth along its corridor. It killed local LIRR Main Line passenger service west of Jamaica in the process. This followed an historical pattern. The Flushing Line killed off local service on the PW Branch; the Fulton St Subway killed off the Fulton St El; the Fulton St El killed off local service on the LIRR's Atlantic Ave Line. Almost all surviving rail facilities are now government owned in NYC. There are still areas that do not enjoy any rail service. I suggest that rail service epansion take place in the unserved areas before service is duplicated in those areas that already have rail service. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Dec 18 11:46:52 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Dec 18 11:35:17 2014. All these stops are within 1/2 mile of an existing stop on the Lex.But in fact many UESers will have a half-mile shorter walk to the subway as a result of the SAS. So that argument on its own is not very strong. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Dec 18 11:55:42 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 18 11:10:40 2014. Yes, but my proposal can be implemented quickly at little cost and won't change the existing commuter rail service. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Dec 18 12:04:05 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 18 08:01:19 2014. It will help minimally, yes. My point though was that SAS in general (full length) is in fact necessary |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Dec 18 12:08:52 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by AlM on Thu Dec 18 11:46:52 2014. All these stops are within 1/2 mile of an existing stop on the Lex.It's actually 1/4 mile for 86th and 96th. It's 3/8 mile for 72nd. That translates to 5, 7.5 or 10 minutes extra walking time for 1/4, 3/8 or 1/2 mile respectively. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Dec 18 12:09:15 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Dec 18 10:56:03 2014. There was a bus company that tried bringing people in from Suffolk and dumping people at Willets Point. It failed, miserably. You think folks are going to transfer twice? The lack of west end capacity is exactly why LIRR needs to retain FBA direct access, not scootify the branch. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 18 12:14:53 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Dec 17 16:15:24 2014. Maybe there are parts of the city, especially Queens, that don't want a subway nearby.Some people like a suburban environment while still living in Queens. Whitestone residents would have that mentality. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 18 12:16:49 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Dec 18 11:35:17 2014. I would hardly call Brooklyn Manor and 104th Street/ Jamaica Avenue duplication. The trains would head in entirely separate directions and serve different markets. Intersecting rail lines also brings synergies.That station alone would get some existing Richmond Hill and Woodhaven people of the J train. But since they transfer to the M (or F) somewhere between Myrtle and Essex, that is a good thing. The M train for one needs congestion relief, and it will never get longer trains. The Millenials are moving into the very same neighborhoods and dwellings by the train loads that our Grandparents could not wait to get out of in the 1950's. As for the impact of the QB IND on the LIRR, what you say was true for 50 years, but no more. Kew Gardens and Forest Hills got off-peak trains every 2 hours until the 1980's. Now they can't seem to stop enough trains. I understand your half mile criteria. But that should go for parallel lines, not intersecting at almost right angles. NYC households are overall more transit-dependent than any other city that I can think of in the continent, and that is not a question of rich/poor. You put lines back where there is a market and where there is a right of way. The RBB has both. Most other areas that are unserved have no right of way available. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Dec 18 12:43:42 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Dec 18 12:09:15 2014. There was a bus company that tried bringing people in from Suffolk and dumping people at Willets Point. It failed, miserably.Let's see how germane that history is. 1. What was its cost? Was the bus free? My plan integrates bus/rail/subway trip into a single subway fare. 2. Was there an easy transfer to the Flushing Line? My plan would have an empty train waiting for each LIRR shuttle train. 3. What was bus frequency? My plan uses 10 minute headways. 4. What was travel time from Suffolk County? It's roughly 25 miles from Willets Pt to the Nassau/Suffolk border. That's an hour's travel. LIRR shuttle time between Bayside and Willets Pt is 12 minutes. The lack of west end capacity is exactly why LIRR needs to retain FBA direct access, not scootify the branch. One big problem with expanding subway service east of the existing Queens terminals is transit time. There needs to be a super express that bypasses the existing lines. If the City recaptured the Atlantic Ave Line, it could connect it to the underused Montague St Tunnel. It could use Atlantic Ave as that super express trunk for point east of Jamaica. This will cost real dollars and take years to eons to build. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Dec 18 13:07:14 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 18 12:16:49 2014. That station alone would get some existing Richmond Hill and Woodhaven people of the J train. But since they transfer to the M (or F) somewhere between Myrtle and Essex, that is a good thing. The M train for one needs congestion relief, and it will never get longer trains. The Millenials are moving into the very same neighborhoods and dwellings by the train loads that our Grandparents could not wait to get out of in the 1950's.The Williamsburg Bridge crossing has the lowest ridership of all the Brooklyn-Manhattan crossings, according to the 2013 Hub Report data. They operate 15 tph during peak periods. Their max loading per car is 105 for cars that are designed to handle 145 people. That's a load factor of 0.72. By contrast they operated 26 tph peak in the 1950's. Given the low load factor and great potential for increased service should the load factor warrant, I'd suggest that duplicate service isn't warranted now or in the near future. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 18 13:42:50 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Dec 18 13:07:14 2014. I am talking about the M train, which is 1/3rd to 1/2 half the WBB service. Those trains are crowded. We all know the J/Z trains are a far cry from what the 14/15 was in the 1960's. The M will neither increase in frequency nor increase in train length as years to come due to capacity issues on the IND and platform issues on the BMT.The WBB alleged load factor of 0.72 makes it sound like 6 car trains for all the J/M/Z would be acceptable in the rush. They are not. I don't get taken in by overall averages, but specific circumstances. Telling people headed to midtown from the Woodhaven/Ricmomnd Hill area to take the J train schlep to get to the M and the WBB is why the Q10, Q11, Q37, Q53 routes are so congested. It is also why lots of young people are moving to Bushwick and Ridgewood, and not Richmond Hill. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Dec 18 14:09:28 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 18 08:01:19 2014. By building at least three SAS stations south of 63rd St, they would be able to have a 2nd Ave line that would offer that kind of relief. Yes, it would be incredibly expensive, but it would kill two birds with one stone. It would offer both a relief line to the 4/5/6 as far south as 42nd or 34th St. And it would permit them to run Rockaway branch service on a faster route to Midtown via the 63rd St Tunnel and the LIRR r.o.w. from Sunnyside to Rego Park, then turning south onto the branch. |
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Posted by steamdriven on Thu Dec 18 14:26:49 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Dec 17 20:11:58 2014. This all goes into far more subway detail than I understand or care to, but from a J. Shmoe perspective, I will adamantly maintain that we need commuter rail alternative for longer trips within NYC, even at triple the single ride fare or with the use of a higher priced monthly.Why? If you have to ask, you won't agree with me ;-). But it comes down to relief from --Agonizing subway slowness.-- Even if the commuter rail alternate runs every 20 min & you have alter your plans to fit the train's schedule, it wins. 10 minutes having coffee on one's porch, balcony or cardboard box on the sidewalk beats 10 minutes standing next to a drugaholic or sitting under 3 someone's armpit. Preferred option is shorter trains, more frequently. --Agonizing subway agony-- If you were not born in NYC this requires no explanation. Because the commuter rail option I envision is not meant to be a subway line, it need make only a handful of stops. For the last mile or so you might then xfer to the subway, take a taxi or take a folding bike with you and get some exercise. In my imagined option, the cars normally assigned to this service have half 2x2 seats (nearer the doors), a few inches more leg room and welcome folding bikes at all hours. Perhaps there's some allowance on each train for full size bikes as well. You might take this option on days when lugging stuff, when you've worked a 10 hour day, or if the 1/2 hour productive time you gain by sitting down in a spot with wifi, something like quiet, and no electronics robbery/knockout crew passing through is worth a lot more than $7. There are not a few people in NYC who fit this description. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Dec 18 14:42:53 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Dec 18 12:08:52 2014. It's actually 1/4 mile for 86th and 96th. It's 3/8 mile for 72nd.If you are at 83rd and 2nd the SAS will be .4 mi closer than the Lex. If you are at 72nd and 2nd the SAS will be .45 mi closer than the Lex. I realize I'm being picky, but you are understating. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Dec 18 15:37:32 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Dec 17 14:18:05 2014. I have to respectfully disagree. While I don't have any statistics handy (and maybe I should, but that's another story), it will provide greatly increased service to the Upper East Side, and take many of these folks off the 4/5/6. Those who would've swtiched to the BMT at 59th will no longer have to, and those who will now switch to the BMT at 59th will at least relieve the 4/5/6 for a while. Similarly, those folks the UES will have an easier connection to the Sixtah Ave. Line...If more phases of the SAS get built, these effects will only be magnified. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Dec 18 18:49:47 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Dec 17 18:39:05 2014. +2 |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Dec 18 21:08:52 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Dec 18 14:09:28 2014. Where along the LIRR do you think you're putting that train, especially through Woodside |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Dec 18 22:11:14 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by steamdriven on Thu Dec 18 14:26:49 2014. I'm a huge fan of using exisiting LIRR infrastructure to expand rail service in the outter boros. The problem is west end capacity, especially since LIRR is fixated on severing FBA. If it was possible, I'd do the following routes every 20 mins at full time city ticket fare:Bayside-NYP/GCT (all stops including Willets Point since they'll be developing the iron triangle) Belmont Park-NYP/GCT (all stops including a reopened Hillside station). This would require rebuilding of Queens interlocking into a flyover that would allow westbound trains coming out of Belmont as well as Hempstead to cross over to the correct side without fouling any other tracks on the main Valley Stream-NYP/GCT via Far Rock/Long Beach branch (all stops with a new stop built at Linden Blvd) Freeport/West Hempstead-NYP/GCT via Montauk branch (all stops except Valley Stream and Rosedale with Springfield Blvd stop maybe reopened) Any stops served outside the city zone will retain whatever zone ticketing they have (mostly zone 4) |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Dec 18 22:16:22 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Dec 18 13:07:14 2014. Joe is 100% right in his response to this. The M train is the only train over the Willy B going into midtown, and it's already crowded with the hipsters moving into the Bed-Stuy/Bushwwick areas. Taking transferees from the J/Z east of Myrtle off the M and shifting them over to a new Rockaway Branch subway would help. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Dec 18 22:20:24 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Dec 18 12:43:42 2014. "2. Was there an easy transfer to the Flushing Line? My plan would have an empty train waiting for each LIRR shuttle train."Then why the hell aren't you just sending the train from Bayside all the way in if each train is going to be met by an empty one waiting!? Seriously man? You present lots of great historic numbers, but you have zero concept of reality or really anything that would make sense |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Dec 18 22:25:06 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Dec 18 12:43:42 2014. "2. Was there an easy transfer to the Flushing Line? My plan would have an empty train waiting for each LIRR shuttle train."Then why the hell aren't you just sending the train from Bayside all the way in if each train is going to be met by an empty one waiting!? Seriously man? You present lots of great historic numbers, but you have zero concept of reality or really anything that would make sense As for Atlantic Av: Yes, a new trunk line would be needed. NO, Atlantic Av is NOT it. LIRR needs to retain that for west end capacity. Cut and dry, end of story, get over it. The only readily available solution I see is either decking over/single tracking/time sharing the lower Montauk. On the western end you have 2 options: Time shared Bushwick branch into the proposed S 4th st station and tunnel from Houston St OR Montauk cutoff and dive down to hook into the F line just before the 63rd St tunnel I would do both considering you've got RBB and Hillside Av extensions to contend with, at minimum |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Dec 18 22:27:57 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 18 12:14:53 2014. An extension of the 7 train in the manner I propose would have stations that function more as park and rides than your typical subway, especially the last stop at Fort Totten/Bay Terrace. There ya go, suburban lifestyle with a subway acting more like the LIRR. Happy? |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Dec 18 22:29:57 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Dec 18 22:20:24 2014. why the hell aren't you just sending the train from Bayside all the way in if each train is going to be met by an empty one waiting!?Two reasons. 1. There aren't available slots at NYP. Additional service has to stop short of where the PW Branch merges with the LIRR. 2. I'm preserving a fare differential between direct one-seat LIRR service and subway service. Otherwise, Nassau County residents would drive to Bayside and take the train for $2.50. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Dec 18 22:49:25 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 18 13:42:50 2014. why the Q10, Q11, Q37, Q53 routes are so congested.From the MTA Facts and Figures Ridership figures. Weekday totals: Q10: 23,236(2008); 23,831(2013) Q11: 10,337(2008); 4,900(2013) Q37: 6,738(2008); 7,362(2013) Q53: 10,611(2008); 15,377(2013) Total: 50,922(2008); 51470(2013) 1% growth over 5 years Queens MTA local Bus Service Total: 355,250(2008); 370,588(2013) 4.3% growth over 5 years Whatever reason for these buses being "congested", it's not because they have seen a dramatic increase in passengers. |
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Posted by BusRider on Thu Dec 18 22:56:32 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Dec 18 13:07:14 2014. Do you have a link to this report by chance? |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Dec 18 23:02:30 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by BusRider on Thu Dec 18 22:56:32 2014. Here's a link to the NYMTC's Hub Bound Reports and Data.http://www.nymtc.org/data_services/HBT.html Only the data for 2013 in zip-ed spreadsheet form is available. The hourly subway crossing data is in Appendix III Section B. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Dec 18 23:02:37 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Dec 18 22:49:25 2014. No one is saying there's been a dramatic increase. The buses on that corridor have always been jammed. And remember, the Q53 used to run non-stop from QCM to Howard Beach and had stops added to it to relieve pressure off the Q11, and yet there was still an increase on the Q11 |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Dec 18 23:06:14 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Dec 18 22:25:06 2014. Regardless of how funky you get,the LIRR Atlantic Branch thing is a done deal.You get over it. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Dec 18 23:07:24 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Dec 18 22:29:57 2014. Dude, but you just said that you will have each shuttle meet an awaiting empty train at Willets Point! That means for every shuttle you operate from Bayside to Willets Pt, there's a counterpart going from Willets Pt to NYP. Seriously man? Are you just trying to mess with us, or are you actually serious?Nassau County residents wont descend on Bayside or any other Queens stops for the cheaper ride because those communities have/will have parking restrictions in order to prevent that. As it is, you have to have a town issued permit to park at just about any LIRR station during the weekdays. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Dec 18 23:10:14 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Dec 18 22:25:06 2014. Regardless of how funky you get,the LIRR Atlantic Branch thing is a done deal.You get over it. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Dec 18 23:11:25 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Dec 18 23:02:37 2014. And remember, the Q53 used to run non-stop from QCM to Howard Beach and had stops added to it to relieve pressure off the Q11, and yet there was still an increase on the Q11>Q11: 10,337(2008); 4,900(2013) >Q53: 10,611(2008); 15,377(2013) Exercise for the reader: What was that increase in Q11 use from 2008 to 2013? What was the overall increase in the Q11/Q53 combo between 2008 and 2013? |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Dec 18 23:15:41 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Dec 18 23:07:24 2014. As it is, you have to have a town issued permit to park at just about any LIRR station during the weekdays.Not in NYC. The power to enact street parking restrictions to local residents lies with the state legislature. |
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