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Posted by Union Tpke on Wed Dec 10 15:59:32 2014            
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Posted by Gold_12th on Wed Dec 10 16:59:49 2014, in response to Queens Blvd, posted by Union Tpke on Wed Dec 10 15:59:32 2014. WAY TOO BIG! |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Dec 10 17:02:15 2014, in response to Queens Blvd, posted by Union Tpke on Wed Dec 10 15:59:32 2014. Thank you very much for posting this.I don't wish to usurp your thread. I just want to state that the time Queens Blv was designed (1922), the NYC speed limit was 20 mph. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 10 17:34:02 2014, in response to Queens Blvd, posted by Union Tpke on Wed Dec 10 15:59:32 2014. The GCP was already on the books in 1922? |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Wed Dec 10 17:58:52 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 10 17:34:02 2014. Well construction started in 1931 so there had to be some planning on the books. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Dec 10 19:20:28 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by N6 Limited on Wed Dec 10 17:58:52 2014. Also, it might have been that the Grand Central Pkway in the old map was a boulevard quality local street with a fancy name like Ocean Pkwy, or just a slightly wide avenue with a fancy name like Bay Pkwy or Bay Ridge Pky |
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Posted by merrick1 on Wed Dec 10 22:29:22 2014, in response to Queens Blvd, posted by Union Tpke on Wed Dec 10 15:59:32 2014. So Queens Blvd was designed to dwindle down to a little two lane street for its last block between Hillside Ave and Jamaica Ave. I thought they just didn't finish it for some reason. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Dec 10 22:38:14 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by N6 Limited on Wed Dec 10 17:58:52 2014. Certainly no need for it to be planned nine years in advance. |
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Posted by northshore on Wed Dec 10 23:22:49 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Dec 10 22:38:14 2014. The Second Avenue Subway was first proposed in 1929 and construction was to start in 1942, 13 years later. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Dec 11 03:35:00 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by northshore on Wed Dec 10 23:22:49 2014. Actually, it was suppose to start during the mid-thirties,as far as thirty fourth st.. then lower Manhattan four years later. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Dec 11 05:14:24 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by merrick1 on Wed Dec 10 22:29:22 2014. Was that block perhaps a preexisting street that was given the name "Queens Blvd." because it lined up with the wide part of Queens Blvd.? That would make it somewhat similar to Mott Ave. in the Bronx, which was absorbed into the Grand Concourse, except that the last block of (what became) Queens Blvd. wasn't widened at all. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Dec 11 07:30:50 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Dec 10 17:02:15 2014. And the top speed cars were able to drive was 35 mph. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Dec 11 07:32:21 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by randyo on Wed Dec 10 19:20:28 2014. Notice Woodhaven Blvd was only a two ane street. It also looks like the remnants of Hoffman Drive which still remain were to be eliminated. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Dec 11 07:33:17 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Dec 11 07:30:50 2014. And half the traffic were horses. A lot has changed since then. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Dec 11 10:21:21 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Dec 11 05:14:24 2014. Was that block perhaps a preexisting street that was given the name "Queens Blvd." because it lined up with the wide part of Queens Blvd.?No. It was part of Hoffman Blv. If you look closely, you will see the existing Hoffman Blv. superimposed on the new, improved, vitamin enriched Queens Blv. The block between Hillside and Jamaica Aves lines up perfectly with the existing Hoffman Blv. This also agrees with contemporary maps from the pre-1922 period. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Dec 11 10:53:12 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 10 17:34:02 2014. The GCP was already on the books in 1922?Only the section from Kew Gardens to the City Line. The section from the Triboro Bridge to Kew Gardens wasn't mapped. That probably came about with the Triboro Bridge's planning and building. N.B. this map shows "Grand Central Pkwy" to be the eastern extension of Union Tpk. Pre-1922 maps show this as Union Tpk. I believe the original parkway plan was to have the Grand Central to be an extension of the Interborough Pkwy. The Kew Gardens interchange was originally built that way. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 11 12:14:26 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Dec 11 10:53:12 2014. So it was planned as a surface parkway and not controlled access? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 11 12:15:26 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 11 12:14:26 2014. P.S.: I've already looked up N.Y. Times archives and found references dating back to 1913 for the parkway. |
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Posted by Outside the Box on Thu Dec 11 12:32:16 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by Edwards! on Thu Dec 11 03:35:00 2014. And the 2nd Ave Subway was first officially proposed in 1920 in Turner's "Proposed Comprehensive Rapid Transit System". |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Dec 11 13:09:30 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 11 12:14:26 2014. So it was planned as a surface parkway and not controlled access?I cannot say that. My information was taken from maps that showed the proposed right of way being distinct from Union Tpk. If you look at early 20th century maps of NYC, you can find today's street pattern in all boroughs except Queens. It was mostly farmland. GCP is shown as dashed lines through farmland. Union Tpk, which may have been mapped, was shown with a traditional block structure. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Dec 11 13:33:35 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 11 12:14:26 2014. AsI mentioned in my other post, there are several streets that are “parkways” in name only like Bay Ridge Pky and Bay Pky here in Bkln. Ft Hamilton Pky is another which I forgot to mention and which is narrower in some parts than most of 86 St. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Dec 11 14:15:27 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 11 12:14:26 2014. From the segment shown on the map that started this thread, it certainly looks that way. Controlled-access highways as we know them today really didn't exist back then, even as an idea. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 11 14:29:09 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Dec 11 14:15:27 2014. The Long Island Motor Parkway was already open. |
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Posted by GIS Man on Thu Dec 11 14:49:45 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Dec 11 10:21:21 2014. Also, they would have had to renumber a few blocks, as Queens Blvd. has east numbers, whereas it turns south towards Jamaica Av.Bob |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Dec 11 14:53:05 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 11 14:29:09 2014. Did the LIMP have fully controlled access (all entrance and exit via ramps, no grade crossings at all)? The Bronx River Parkway is sometimes described as an early limited-access parkway, but it has some left turns and grade crossings. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Dec 11 14:58:49 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Dec 11 14:15:27 2014. Controlled-access highways as we know them today really didn't exist back then, even as an idea.A good argument could be made for the reverse. Many of today's major roads evolved from 19th century toll roads aka turnpikes. These were privately built. Access was definitely controlled. NY state took over the remaining turnpikes around 1897. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 11 19:13:11 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Dec 11 14:53:05 2014. Yes. But they required left turns. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Dec 11 21:23:53 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by GIS Man on Thu Dec 11 14:49:45 2014. Queens Boulevard starts crossing avenues in Woodside, at 45th Avenue, between 69th and 70th Streets. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Dec 11 22:01:25 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Dec 11 07:33:17 2014. I'd just want to see what it would look like if a bunch of cars banded together and drove down Queens Boulevard at exactly 25 miles per hour… like a bunch of pace cars. |
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Posted by Think twice on Thu Dec 11 22:54:57 2014, in response to Queens Blvd, posted by Union Tpke on Wed Dec 10 15:59:32 2014. This is a real gem. Thanks for sharing it! I love how it's full color.It's a shame the PSC didn't make the Flushing Line viaduct four tracks wide instead of three. www.egotripexpress.com |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Dec 12 06:25:11 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Dec 11 07:30:50 2014. And the top speed cars were able to drive was 35 mph.In 1922? The Model T, five years from the end of its 20 year run, could hit 45 with its puny inline four cylinder engine. The Model A that followed in 1927 had a top speed of 65. Chevrolets were capable of 65 from its inception in 1913. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Dec 12 06:27:38 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Dec 11 07:33:17 2014. And half the traffic were horses.Look at all the horses!  .jpg) 
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 12 06:34:58 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Dec 11 22:01:25 2014. Why is it that idiots are so obsessed with the speed limit but don't care about proper lane use? Proper lane use keeps road rage at bay and that would prevent more accidents than slavish devotion to an artificially low speed limit.And in any event the speed limit of most of Queens Boulevard is NOT 25 MPH. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 12 06:44:20 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Dec 12 06:25:11 2014. PWN3D! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 12 06:45:19 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Dec 12 06:27:38 2014. PWN3D! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 12 07:40:05 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 12 06:45:19 2014. Royally!!! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 12 07:40:49 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Dec 12 06:27:38 2014. Hahahahaga!!!!! BrooklynBus is wrong again! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 12 07:41:24 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Dec 12 06:25:11 2014. Owned!! |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Dec 12 07:49:18 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 12 06:34:58 2014. the speed limit of most of Queens Boulevard is NOT 25 MPH.It is or will soon be. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 12 08:41:32 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 12 06:34:58 2014. I would like to apologize for saying "idiots." I meant it in reference to people who cruise in the left lane, and not anyone else. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 12 08:51:19 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Dec 12 07:49:18 2014. Stupid idea. At least between Roosevelt and Union Turnpike. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Dec 12 09:06:36 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 12 08:51:19 2014. IAWTP |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Dec 12 09:09:36 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 12 08:41:32 2014. IAWTPBut without knowing whether they cruise in the left lane or not, we could still throw Dan Lawrence and BrooklynBus in there. |
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Posted by northshore on Fri Dec 12 10:25:44 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Dec 12 09:09:36 2014. The Q60 travels in the right lane. Would you throw them in front of the bus? |
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Posted by northshore on Fri Dec 12 10:27:42 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Dec 12 06:27:38 2014. I don't see any horses. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri Dec 12 11:41:08 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by northshore on Fri Dec 12 10:25:44 2014. you would have to give them a loaf of bread so they don`t starve to death waiting for the bus to come. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Dec 12 11:43:19 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by northshore on Fri Dec 12 10:27:42 2014. I don't see any horses.You don't? Allan said half the traffic were horses. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Dec 12 12:03:54 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Dec 11 07:32:21 2014. Notice Woodhaven Blvd was only a two ane street. It also looks like the remnants of Hoffman Drive which still remain were to be eliminated.Woodhaven was widened 1938-1940. Looking north from Jamaica Avenue, 1910  It does look like Queens Boulevard ended up slightly north of where it's shown on the map, but the plan isn't exactly to scale, either. Notice that the plan shows the main road approximately equal in width to a single carriage road, while the cross section shows the carriage roads at 25 feet and the main road at 74 feet. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Dec 12 12:43:45 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by Think twice on Thu Dec 11 22:54:57 2014. "It's a shame the PSC didn't make the Flushing Line viaduct four tracks wide instead of three."The problem with that is there would be no room for 4 tracks once the line curved onto Roosevelt Ave. The avenue simply is not wide enough. The existing 3 track structure barely fits. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Dec 12 12:44:24 2014, in response to Re: Queens Blvd, posted by Think twice on Thu Dec 11 22:54:57 2014. For some reason, it seems that unlike Chicago which had 2 4 track els (now only one), state if the art for els in NYC was 3 track regardless of whether or not the street could fit a wider structure. |
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