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MTA: We Can't Stop Subway Overcrowding |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Nov 20 19:37:06 2014 NBC 4 report: http://www.nbcnewyork.com/video/#!/on-air/as-seen-on/No-Relief-in-Sight-for-Crowded-Subways/283266311 |
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Re: MTA: We Can't Stop Subway Overcrowding |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Nov 21 07:53:48 2014, in response to MTA: We Can't Stop Subway Overcrowding, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Nov 20 19:37:06 2014. Good news, bad news. Ridership is way up. Why? The population is up, and clearly more people want to go to work. Does that mean there really is more work to be had in NYC, or does it mean that fewer people are using cars?LION suspects the streets are even more crowded too. A much faster solution would be more beese. Moving around the CBD should not be the domain of the subways, but rather of the beese. Transport into the CBD is obviously the domain of the subways and railroads. It is tame for surface transportation to catch up to the demands. LRVs plying the avenues would be a good start but how quick and how possible is that? With a stroke of the almighty pen the mayor could eliminate on street parking on some of the major avenues, and by dropping some concrete curbs blocking the former parking lanes to other traffic would instantly have a dedicated busway. Filling the busway with modern articulated beests would be a problem, but at least those are off the shelf units that could be purchased and on the street in a matter of a year or so. (Building beese, and hiring operators) You phase these in over time, one route at a time. And make them free. It costs far to much to collect fares on such beese, this way all doors in all sections are available for exit and entry, no fare inspectors would need to be hired. Let us assume that passengers will pay their fair on the subway or on a connecting crosstown bus, and for those who as do not make a connection, all well and good, it keeps the city moving and that is far more important than a few bucks on a bus. The saving come in keeping more cars off of the street and more people in the city, paying taxes. ROAR |
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Re: MTA: We Can't Stop Subway Overcrowding |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Nov 21 11:10:38 2014, in response to MTA: We Can't Stop Subway Overcrowding, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Nov 20 19:37:06 2014. It's a worldwide phenomenon. IMO they need to do all that they can (add buses, replace the antiquated signals, encourage flexible work hours, etc) but in the end the trains will still be crowded and for the foreseeable future they'll only get worse. Long term the only real solution would be to spread jobs out more evenly around the city because in reality the trains aren't all packed. Reverse commute trains can be pretty empty. |
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Re: MTA: We Can't Stop Subway Overcrowding |
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Posted by merrick1 on Fri Nov 21 19:36:34 2014, in response to Re: MTA: We Can't Stop Subway Overcrowding, posted by Easy on Fri Nov 21 11:10:38 2014. They need to figure out a way to get people to ride local trains.Yesterday I had to travel during rush hour to a meeting downtown. My home station is 169th Street on the F train. Normally I would change to the E train at Union Turnpike and ride to Chambers Street but I've been limping around with a cane lately and I didn't want to stand. So I changed to the R train at Continental Avenue and rode to City Hall. Even at rush hour there were only a dozen standees in the car. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Nov 21 19:44:42 2014, in response to Re: MTA: We Can't Stop Subway Overcrowding, posted by merrick1 on Fri Nov 21 19:36:34 2014. Some local trains are better than others. I was not in my best physical form last week and needed to get from 68th and Lex to Union Square in the evening rush. I got a seat so I stayed on the local at 42nd even though there was a not-crush-loaded express across the platform.But it was excruciatingly slow on the 6 for those last 4 stops. The next express beat us too and the following express came in even with us at 14th. |
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Re: MTA: We Can't Stop Subway Overcrowding |
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Posted by Allan on Fri Nov 21 19:48:54 2014, in response to Re: MTA: We Can't Stop Subway Overcrowding, posted by merrick1 on Fri Nov 21 19:36:34 2014. "They need to figure out a way to get people to ride local trains. "That is real easy - make all express trains run as local trains. Then sit back and watch the fun. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Nov 21 22:30:25 2014, in response to Re: MTA: We Can't Stop Subway Overcrowding, posted by AlM on Fri Nov 21 19:44:42 2014. They need to speed up the locals. |
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Re: MTA: We Can't Stop Subway Overcrowding |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 21 23:02:17 2014, in response to Re: MTA: We Can't Stop Subway Overcrowding, posted by merrick1 on Fri Nov 21 19:36:34 2014. They need to figure out a way to get people to ride local trainsThey do? Maybe have fewer stops that are too close together? |
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Re: MTA: We Can't Stop Subway Overcrowding |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Nov 22 02:00:31 2014, in response to Re: MTA: We Can't Stop Subway Overcrowding, posted by AlM on Fri Nov 21 19:44:42 2014. Congestion at Brooklyn Bridge? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Nov 22 09:50:41 2014, in response to Re: MTA: We Can't Stop Subway Overcrowding, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Nov 21 07:53:48 2014. The problem isn't the parking. It's the double parking mostly by trucks that cause delays by constantly forcing cars to merge. That and cabs stopping to pick up and discharge passengers anywhere they want to. |
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Re: MTA: We Can't Stop Subway Overcrowding |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 22 11:13:09 2014, in response to Re: MTA: We Can't Stop Subway Overcrowding, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Nov 22 09:50:41 2014. LION says TRUCKS run on STREETS and CARS run on AVENUES (With of course certain exceptions: Cars on major crosstown streets, Trucks on the East and West side Avenues. Broadway is closed to all crosstown traffic between 57th Street and 23rd street and becomes a pedestrian maul. All streets (except the major crosstown streets) will dead end at Broadway.Of course automobiles will be able to access parking facilities on the various streets, but will be ticketed for thru traffic. Truck parking on the side streets is divided into "Loading Areas" and are bid on by the half hour slot. Buildings with so much need for trucks can "buy" parking slots at maybe ten to twenty thousand per year each. Bridges and tunnels are closed to incoming tractor-trucks between 0530 and 1030 Monday-Friday, Truck tolls between 1030 and 1800 hours are doubled, truck tolls between 2200 and 0500 hours are eliminated. The Lincoln Tunnel is closed to automobiles between 0630 and 0930 when only buses, cabs, and small trucks will be permitted. Parking lanes are eliminated on 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th avenues, and these become busways. Busways are fenced in so that automobiles cannot intrude. On the right hand lane, there will be a small sidewalk outside of this fence for the pick-up and discharge of taxi cab passengers. They will have to walk to the corner to get around the fence. ROAR |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 22 13:51:21 2014, in response to Re: MTA: We Can't Stop Subway Overcrowding, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 22 11:13:09 2014. LOL! What parking lanes? Do you know what you're talking about? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Nov 22 14:29:41 2014, in response to Re: MTA: We Can't Stop Subway Overcrowding, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 22 11:13:09 2014. "Parking lanes are eliminated on 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th avenues, and these become busways."I guess some guy in a cloister in North Dakota can't be expected to know this is already the case. |
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Re: MTA: We Can't Stop Subway Overcrowding |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 22 14:35:26 2014, in response to Re: MTA: We Can't Stop Subway Overcrowding, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 22 13:51:21 2014. OK, so they are ALL parking lanes. Still you divide on conquouer~ROAR |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Nov 22 16:15:46 2014, in response to Re: MTA: We Can't Stop Subway Overcrowding, posted by Allan on Fri Nov 21 19:48:54 2014. Insufficient capacity on the local tracks. However, to some extent that’s being done in the off hours on many lines now with the 2 and 4 running local on their respective lines during midnight hours and the Q due to do the same soon. Years ago there were TA “subway Sun” ads that tried to encourage passengers to take the locals with the saying “So much more comfort, so little more time.” The only problem at the time was that many locals didn’t and still don’t go everywhere that the expresses do, but for those passengers who live at stations served by both, locals can be an acceptable alternative. |
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Posted by blue8irt on Sat Nov 22 17:30:45 2014, in response to Re: MTA: We Can't Stop Subway Overcrowding, posted by italianstallion on Sat Nov 22 14:29:41 2014. Star construction on the First Avenue Subway from South Street all the way to the end of the Bronx. |
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Sat Nov 22 17:45:05 2014, in response to Re: MTA: We Can't Stop Subway Overcrowding, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 22 11:13:09 2014. Full fledged LRT would be much, much better. Rather than a full fledged subway the MTA should have considered LRT for 2nd ave and even have enough money to create ones on 3rd, 1st, 9th and 10th for good measure. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 22 17:58:06 2014, in response to Re: MTA: We Can't Stop Subway Overcrowding, posted by blue8irt on Sat Nov 22 17:30:45 2014. Star Construction did not win the bid for that route.ROARING |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 22 18:02:39 2014, in response to Re: MTA: We Can't Stop Subway Overcrowding, posted by shiznit1987 on Sat Nov 22 17:45:05 2014. No. 2nd Avenue (outside of the CBD) NEEDS a full fledged subway. No doubt about it.LRVs would be better on the Avenues, but that would take so much crap to get it accomplished that there is no way it could turn a wheel before 2040 at the earliest. On the Other hand, putting up some Jersey Barricades to create bus lanes can be done overnight. The purchase of more LONG bendy beese can be accomplished in a year. THAT will relive crowding on the subways in the intra-CBD traffic. ROAR |
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Re: MTA: We Can't Stop Subway Overcrowding |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Nov 23 11:03:39 2014, in response to MTA: We Can't Stop Subway Overcrowding, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Nov 20 19:37:06 2014. How about running more trains when subways are overcrowded to meet the guidelines?Off-peak guidelines call for no more than 125% of seated capacity. (It used to be 100% before the cutbacks in 2010, and should be returned to that.) Yet this is often exceeded. I see it everytime I ride the Q in the late evenings. There are approximately 44 seats per car which means that no more than an average of 11 should be standing per car and more trains should be added if this limit exceeds a 15 minute period. That allows for one train to be late assuming 10 minute headways which is the case for the Q about 9 PM at night. I was coming home at that time on Saturday evening, getting on at Union Square. I was waiting in the middle of the train. The first five cars entered with about 25 standees per car, already over the guideline. I estimate that with the crowding which was spread throughout the platform, it left with about 40 standees per car or almost 200% of seated capacity. It remained at that level until 7th Avenue in Brooklyn, when I got a seat and it went back to about 25 standees in the car which steadily dropped after that point. However, in the first two cars it probably did not fall below 40 standees per car until Church Avenue. Having to stand from Times Square until 7 Avenue or Church Avenue in Brooklyn on a late weekend is significant and a deterrent to using mass transit, when supposedly the City wants to encourage its use. Since this is my usual experience for the late evenings, I doubt that this train was late. It seems that the crowding guidelines are only used as justification for decreasing service and are not or infrequently followed when they warrant more frequent service. So the MTA is wrong. They can stop overcrowding at times if they really wanted to. |
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Posted by FarRock on Sun Nov 23 12:35:28 2014, in response to Re: MTA: We Can't Stop Subway Overcrowding, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 21 23:02:17 2014. Take a ride from Canal to 59CC and tell me if the express beats the local. |
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