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Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Nov 20 09:02:41 2014 Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last RunsThis is the last day of the diamond "R" Nassau St - 4th Avenue Local between Chambers Street and 95th Street. The final train consists of eight R-42's; 4878-9, 4850-1, 4897-6, 4937-6. Source: NYD Bulletin December, 1987 Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Thu Nov 20 10:10:30 2014, in response to Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Nov 20 09:02:41 2014. Yep. The end of the brown R. :( |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Nov 20 13:32:50 2014, in response to Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Nov 20 09:02:41 2014. These actually were to/from Metropolitan. Can't say how the signs were set on the AM, but on the PM's I did an occasional trip down there. We would leave Met with R/95 signs. After 95 as the t/o was going back lite to 36/4 to re-enter service, the c/r would change the signs back to M.For a while on the PM all were to 95 with a few Bay Pky. trains mixed in starting @ ENYD. In later picks every other train from Met went to Bay Pky. Some laid up, some returned when at the end of the service day some more went down to Bay Pky. to ly up and others went to 9th Ave. to lay up. When the graffitti era ended later till the end of all Bay Pky. service, all M trains which finished in the south (9 or 10) laid up to CIYD as all the junk was cleared out by then freeing tracks. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Nov 20 13:57:39 2014, in response to Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Nov 20 09:02:41 2014. I consider this unfortunate- while at the time there was still the M running from Broad Street to South Brooklyn, now there's NONE.right up till June 2010, I saw a decent crowd on AM trains pulling into Broad Street from Brooklyn. What virtually NOBODY did was ride straight through from Court Street to Marcy Avenue. Therefore, I'd hope they can, in the near future, establish some sort of Brown R, though perhaps nowadays a Brown D or Q might make more sense. Although few people would ride through, if it operationally makes more sense to simply extend the J, I saw do that. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Nov 20 16:05:21 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by MainR3664 on Thu Nov 20 13:57:39 2014. My only reason for opposing Sixth Ave. M service was because I considered it as robbing Peter to pay Paul. NYCT was not giving you both and I pointed it out at the time. I was thrown to the wolves because y'all comprehended what you wanted. Now it seems everybody is missing the old service and wants it back. They don't have the cars.That's ok. It's akin of sombody calling a sports show asking the host who was the better player: Mantle or Mays. If the host answered Mantle, somebody else calls later lambasting the host not giving Mays his due. Of course I want thru Nassau service back. But I know this: NYCT wants to get rid of the R32/42 when the R179's come in. Still not enough cars to extend the J or Z. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Nov 20 17:28:00 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Nov 20 13:32:50 2014. Were they all from Met? I seem to recall that there were only 2 intervals each in the AM and PM that went all the way to/from Met. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Nov 20 17:35:07 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by randyo on Thu Nov 20 17:28:00 2014. Low ridership, I presume? |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Thu Nov 20 20:37:12 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by randyo on Thu Nov 20 17:28:00 2014. It varied pick to pick.Between the M stopped going over the Brighton line and when the WillyB closed for long term rebuilding, they changed the jobs every pick because nothing seemed to work right. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs |
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Posted by renee gil on Thu Nov 20 21:25:37 2014, in response to Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Nov 20 09:02:41 2014. Alternatively this was run-through and coined the "Metropolitan Ave. R" in around 1985-87. I remember R-27/30s and R-42s on the diamond "R" route. I have a shot of an R-30 curving into the Myrtle/Broadway station bearing a yellow diamond "R" sign. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Nov 21 07:21:18 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Nov 20 16:05:21 2014. Bill... certainly I never attacked you.Anyhow, I would like to see both 6 Avenue-Broadway Brooklyn AND thru service from Broad Street to DeKalb and beyond. I realize they don't have the cars. Both services were run from 1968-1976, and today there's more demand for them than there was back then. I'd hope the TA would invest in enough equipment to operate both. Just get more R160s or R179s... If the politicians put up the $$, it can happen. And this is a discussion board. Within the bounds of mutual respect, as I extend to you now, we can all post whatever train fantasy we want... |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 21 07:32:17 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Nov 20 13:32:50 2014. I remember that at the end, most AM trains out of Metro were diamond R's. Only 2 trains ran thru to Bay Parkway, one running all the way to Stillwell to lay up. That train always used an R27. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs |
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Posted by INDviaCulver on Fri Nov 21 11:14:31 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Thu Nov 20 20:37:12 2014. M trains stopped running via Brighton when the Manhattan Bridge repairs started. M trains were rerouted via 4 Ave/ West End. For a brief period, M trains ran via 4 Ave Exp during rush hrs. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Nov 21 12:35:32 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Nov 20 16:05:21 2014. Given the choices, the MTA did the right thing sending the (M) via 6th Avenue. That was the only good thing about the cuts and was very logical. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Nov 21 12:42:59 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Nov 21 12:35:32 2014. Given the decline in the Financial District and the increase in Midtown, it was a wise idea. The ridership increase speaks for itself. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs |
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Posted by Dan on Fri Nov 21 14:08:22 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by renee gil on Thu Nov 20 21:25:37 2014. Rode the Brown 'R' often in the 1980s. Had the worst graffiti-covered broken down R27 equipment. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Nov 21 14:21:07 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Nov 21 12:35:32 2014. If it had to be a choice between the 2 services, yes, they made the right one.But I'd still like to see both of them in effect. At least in rush hour. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Nov 21 14:59:35 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by INDviaCulver on Fri Nov 21 11:14:31 2014. Actually, when the Ms ran express on 4 Av it was during all hours when the M operated into the Southern Div and the Ns ran lcl for the entire length of the trip. Towards the end of the manny B shutdown, it was decided to run the Ns exp and the Ms lcl on 4 Av during the hours when the M ran on 4 Av. That service pattern lasted until the Ms were taken out of the Southern Div. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Nov 21 15:17:10 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by Dan on Fri Nov 21 14:08:22 2014. They were better than the R42's tho. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Nov 22 05:08:46 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Nov 21 07:21:18 2014. And this is a discussion board. Within the bounds of mutual respect, as I extend to you now, we can all post whatever train fantasy we want...We can? Oh goody! Let's rebuild the 3rd Avenue el, then run it across the Brooklyn Bridge and up Myrtle and Lexington. Let's build a tunnel from Staten Island to Bay Ridge and run a Staten Island super-express (that will also benefit Bay Ridge riders). Let's run LIRR trains to the Rockaways and not care what the FRA thinks! Alleviate crowding at Penn Station by terminating some peak trains at Chambers Street. And then we'll build a big freight tunnel underneath Manhattan equipped with pneumatic tubes that unload passing trains and whisk everything straight to its destination so we don't need any trucks on the streets. OK that's enough for now. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Nov 22 16:54:24 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by Dan on Fri Nov 21 14:08:22 2014. So did the Broadway R (before May 1987) and trains often interchanged between Broadway and Nassau St. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Nov 22 16:55:43 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by renee gil on Thu Nov 20 21:25:37 2014. Yep, rode them a LOT back then. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Nov 22 16:56:53 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by INDviaCulver on Fri Nov 21 11:14:31 2014. Said brief period was 7 years. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Nov 22 16:59:59 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by mcorivervsaf on Thu Nov 20 10:10:30 2014. To be fair, once the M was routed off Brighton and onto 4th Ave, the diamond R (the brown R only existed on maps for 6 months prior to it's elimination) lost it's sole reason to exist. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Nov 22 17:02:09 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by Nilet on Sat Nov 22 05:08:46 2014. "Let's build a tunnel from Staten Island to Bay Ridge and run a Staten Island super-express (that will also benefit Bay Ridge riders)."Now thats something that should have happened. And it may happen someday. Of course I'll have to live to say maybe 200 to see it! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Nov 22 17:13:24 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by randyo on Fri Nov 21 14:59:35 2014. Yes, M's ran express until the summer of 1994. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Nov 22 20:35:48 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Nov 20 16:05:21 2014. NYCT doesn't have the cars? How many feet of train length did the V + old M need during rush hours vs. the current M? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Nov 22 20:54:40 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by 3-9 on Sat Nov 22 20:35:48 2014. The elimination of the V line allowed NYCT to retire the R44's and transfer R46's to the A line. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Nov 22 23:26:28 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Nov 22 20:54:40 2014. Yeah, that'll do it. :-( |
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