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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Sep 19 15:38:00 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Sep 19 09:40:13 2014. It's only good for people who live near the depot. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Sep 19 15:43:10 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by randyo on Fri Sep 19 15:31:07 2014. When I was using the Lex as a teenager, and took the train from 86th to 59th each afternoon, I used to do that at 86th every day. And I wasn't alone. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Sep 19 15:45:29 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Sep 19 11:25:33 2014. We don't want passengers running up and down stairs risking injury just to get the first train to leave Bergen 2 minutes earlier than the follower as in this case both trains would leave Jay back-to-back anyway.This situation is no different than the downtown C/E at 50st. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Sep 19 15:46:16 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by italianstallion on Fri Sep 19 15:43:10 2014. It's still going on. Probably a bit less so because now the countdown clocks give you an idea. |
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Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/S.I. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Sep 19 15:48:19 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/S.I., posted by Bill From Maspeth on Tue Sep 16 17:14:05 2014. So in other words, some minor modifications to the trackage will be needed to restore things to an efficient operation; hardly a deal breaker. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Sep 19 15:56:44 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by italianstallion on Fri Sep 19 15:30:41 2014. What makes Them so special,that everyone else along the line gets screwed?Even with eight trains per hour,Plus the same ammout of G trains,they will get a fair frequent subway during peak periods.. while riders who travel from south Brooklyn get a swifter ride into downtown Brooklyn and Midtown. Everybody shares the pain. I know he's only stating the obvious dealing with those selfish people. |
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Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/S.I. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Sep 19 16:01:36 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/S.I., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 16 15:19:19 2014. Come on..we know 600ft trains were turned there. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Sep 19 16:23:05 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by AlM on Fri Sep 19 15:46:16 2014. Are there clocks on each level at 86th that give the times for both express and local? |
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Posted by Michael549 on Fri Sep 19 17:00:56 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Sep 19 08:24:02 2014. Growing up I lived in/near Parkchester on the #6 line. The Parkchester station handles the local Parkchester #6 trains, the middle-track Pelham Bay express trains, and through trains using just 3 tracks and just 4 single switches.All of the 4 switches that handle the operations at the Parkchester station are NORTH of the station platforms (between the Parkchester & Castle Hill stations. The middle track between Parkchester and Castle Hill is used as the relay track for Parkchester local trains to return to Manhattan service. There are no switches between Parkchester and St. Lawrence Avenue - meaning "south" of the Parkchester station platforms. Once a downtown-bound train (local or express) has reached the downtown platform at Parkchester there are no switches to move the train between the local or middle tracks. In the Bronx-bound direction all incoming Parkchester or Pelham Bay local or express trains must reach the Parkchester platform before the trains can be switched from one track to another. An uptown Parkchester local train has to be switched to the middle-track relay spot north of the station. At its scheduled leaving time, that downtown local train is again switched from the middle-track-relay-spot to the downtown-local platform. This terminate and relay operation has occurred at Parkchester for decades. All goes well so long as two Parkchester trains do not come in back to back, with a Parkchester local resting at the middle-track-relay position. When the Pelham Express is not in operation, and #6 trains use the local tracks in the Bronx, Parkchester trains are mixed with and separated from Pelham Bay tracks north of the Parkchester station. During the am-rush hours, #6 trains from Pelham Bay use a switch north of the Parkchester station to enter the middle track/platfrom for its journey to Manhattan. During the pm-rush hours Pelham Bay trains on the middle track upon reaching Parkchester platform are switched to the outside Pelham Bay local track north of the station. So with just 3-tracks and 4 switches all north of the station, the Parkchester station handles a complex operation. An operation that has continued for decades with the same simple facilities, just 4 switches on 3 tracks, all north of the station! While rail-fanning the F-train in Brooklyn in the 1970's when the F-train was an actual rush-hour express in Brooklyn, I was fascinated with the Kings Highway station. Like Parkchester, Kings Highway is a 3-track/2 platform elevated station. However Kings Highway has track switches both NORTH and SOUTH of the station platforms! Between the Avenue P station and the Kings Highway station platforms are 3 switches! There is a switch from the middle track to the Manhattan bound local track. At Kings Highway a local train could rest & originate at the middle-track platform AND serve local stations upon leaving the station toward Manhattan. On the Coney Island bound side there is a diamond cross-over switch between the middle and local tracks. This diamond cross-over switch allows the routes local and express trains between the middle track and the Coney Island-bound local track/platform, allowing trains to use either track. At Kings Highway they can terminate/relay Kings Highway local trains at the station platforms! DAMN - This is one up on Parkchester! When I visited Kings Highway in the 1970's, while riding a Coney Island pm-rush hour F-express train, I saw how it was moved from the express track to the local track BEFORE reaching the King Highway platforms, I was in "train-fan heaven!" This was due to that diamond cross-over switch NORTH of the station. Watching pm-rush hour Kings Highway local trains switch to the center platform-track for their return to Manhattan was "icing on the cake!" All of this with just using the track switches NORTH OF THE STATION (Between KH & Ave P stations)! In addition there were the similar functional track switches between Kings Highway and Avenue U (South of KH). These 4 track switches are similar in function to the switches at Parkchester! On the Coney Island side (SOUTH OF KH) is ANOTHER diamond cross-over track switch, for moving trains between the outbound local and middle-express tracks. This allows KH-trains to move to the middle-track-relay position (SOUTH of KH), and allow CI-Express trains on the middle track to switch to the CI-bound local track (SOUTH OF KH) to resume local service (Similar to what is done at Parkchester). On the Manhattan bound side of Kings Highway (SOUTH OF KH) there is a switch from the middle-track relay-spot to the Manhattan bound local track/platform used for returning to service Kings Highway local trains (just like Parkchester). The Kings Highway station can terminate/relay trains at the platform, AND at the middle-track relay position south of the station at the same time! With two relay positions, handling Kings Highway trains back to back is not a problem at all. The Kings Highway station is a superior "Parkchester!" Until the 1990's - there was a track switch (SOUTH OF KH) allowing trains from Coney Island to move to the middle express track/platform similar to the Pelham Express. In the AM-Rush Hours - the Kings Highway station operated similar to the Parkchester Station, using the 4 switches SOUTH of the station, and the middle track-relay spot for Kings Highway trains. All of this is the definition of versatility! Yes the removal of a single track switch (in the 1990's) means that there is no longer an am-rush hour "Pelham Express-type" operation - meaning no Manhattan-bound trains from Coney Island can be moved to the center express track. The station still retains the ability to easily terminate/relay Kings Highway local trains at TWO relay positions, and to allow express service originating at Kings Highway. So I call "BS" to your contention: "It *can* physically do it (sort of) but a LOCAL, in rush hour practice, cannot relay at KH when that track is needed by the express". The Kings Highway station remains a versatile station, even if it cannot allow trains from Coney Island to be placed on the middle-track express. For the purpose of creating a "Culver Express" there always was several options! Mike |
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Posted by steamdriven on Fri Sep 19 17:27:52 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Michael549 on Fri Sep 19 17:00:56 2014. How hard is it to replace a crossover switch in a place where one existed previously?Could be it's more difficult than I expect, but I'd / think / it would be done by maintenance staff already on the payroll using parts already in inventory. Just looking down at a station, you see spare rails, X pieces and miscellaneous stuff on the trackbed. There's gotta be far more back at the shop. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Sep 19 17:42:45 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by AlM on Fri Sep 19 15:46:16 2014. Good point. They could probably have some sort of countdown clocks for Bergen as well if it ever can reopen with some sort of express F service. |
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Fri Sep 19 18:08:23 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Edwards! on Fri Sep 19 15:56:44 2014. Ridership at Bergen and Carroll is on par with express stations on the Brighton line. There's no need to cut their service. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Sep 19 19:08:12 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Sep 19 15:36:28 2014. However, the express trains actually do save time over the locals.Especially when local trains wait in a passing track to let an express pass in front of them. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Sep 19 20:19:47 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by randyo on Fri Sep 19 15:31:07 2014. You know it can be scheduled that way on paper, but realistically it doesn't work in practice. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Sep 19 20:29:02 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by italianstallion on Fri Sep 19 15:43:10 2014. As I said in this subthread, running down the stairs like that is dangerous in that an injury is waiting to happen, and while you waited on the stairway like that you and everybody else blocked free movement of other passengers.Passengers hurting themselves running down stairs happens a lot more often than you hear. Creating the same potential situation at Bergen St. is something NYCT will not do. My position is not to have the express F bypass Bergen with the locals stopping, my position is F service remain as is today. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Sep 19 20:32:20 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Sep 19 15:45:29 2014. Exactly. And I don't want NYCT to set up a new one at Bergen that is not there now. And countdown clocks are not always right. They will not modify passenger behavior. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Sep 19 20:36:01 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by steamdriven on Fri Sep 19 17:27:52 2014. And do not forget the levers in the interlocking tower. |
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Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/S.I. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Sep 19 20:51:49 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/S.I., posted by Edwards! on Fri Sep 19 16:01:36 2014. As I said in an earlier response, back in the day relays were able to be done quicker because labor was cheaper and they were able to afford a t/o on each end of a relay. You had switchmen falling all over each other because there were so many. You could also make a quick move with an R1/9 because you don't have to recharge when the train gets to the bumper block.Today it takes longer to relay. There are timers to slow you down, signals you have to key by and you have to recharge the train. Seconds become minutes. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Sep 19 22:26:35 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Sep 19 20:32:20 2014. FWIW I don't think Bergen Street lower really needs to be reactivated for the express. The only real benefits to it would be:1. Doubling the TPH for Bergen St itself 2. Allowing Crosstown riders to transfer to/from the F express for Culver stops at the earliest possible moment |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Sep 20 00:15:45 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Sep 19 20:29:02 2014. "Creating the same potential situation at Bergen St. is something NYCT will not do."How do you know? It exists elsewhere too, BTW. At 34th and 7th, people wait on the steps between the local and express plats and run to the local or express, whichever comes first. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Sep 20 03:35:48 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Sep 19 20:36:01 2014. The levers are probably still in place and marked as spare levers. Additionally, the model board in CIY Master Tower has both Av X and K/Hwy interlocking on it although it is not yet wired for operation so if the switch were ever restored, the buttons are there to allow for routing over it. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Sep 20 03:36:46 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/S.I., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Sep 19 20:51:49 2014. Even with SMEEs, double ending works just fine at 205 St. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 20 06:45:24 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Sep 19 20:32:20 2014. My observation is that countdown clocks have modified passenger behavior at 86th/Lex.By the way, there never was a need for running there. Only half a flight. Plenty of time to get to the platform at a walk. Now, 34th at 7th or 8th, that requires some running. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Sep 20 08:10:13 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by randyo on Sat Sep 20 03:35:48 2014. On Raialroad of LION switches are still in place south of Dyckman Street, but are spiked and blocked with physical barriers because there were no spare levers in the tower, and those levers were re assigned to a new home signal. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Sep 20 08:43:43 2014, in response to Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/S.I., posted by Gold_12th on Mon Sep 15 14:18:19 2014. Any hope of restoring express service on the Culver IND was permanently torpedoed when the M was routed via Chrystie St in 2010. There needs to be a separate route to serve Culver local stations between Jay St and Church Ave. That route was logically the V. There is no more room on 6th Ave to add such a route AND keep the orange M. The orange M isn't going anywhere because of it's massive popularity.It would be fun to watch the hipsters in Park Slope and the hipsters in Williamsburg and Bushwick fight over this. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 20 09:28:24 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/S.I., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Sep 20 08:43:43 2014. You could split the F service into F express and F local and add a train or two, and still have halfway decent frequencies for both groups. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Sep 20 10:29:26 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by italianstallion on Sat Sep 20 00:15:45 2014. Because I know the mindset after working for them for 34 years.We are in anegligence lawsuit happy society today. In their mission statement is the word SAFE. Transit systems are much more cognisant of both employee and passenger safety today than yesterday. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 20 10:35:06 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Sep 19 20:29:02 2014. There really is no reason for Bergen to have to be an express statio, trains can just bypass the lower level as they do any abandoned station. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Sep 20 10:36:11 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/S.I., posted by randyo on Sat Sep 20 03:36:46 2014. Don't be ridiculous.You know well the outline and distance needed to relay at 205 is nothing like Church. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Sep 20 10:40:36 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 20 06:45:24 2014. What about blocking free movement as passengers linger on the stairs waiting?NYCT preaches "hold onto handrails when going up and down stairs". Can't be done with others lingering against them. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Sep 20 10:41:12 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/S.I., posted by AlM on Sat Sep 20 09:28:24 2014. But then how do the F express and F local co-exist with E on Queens Blvd? The Queens Blvd express tracks are maxed out at 30 tph (15 E, 15 F). |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Sep 20 10:48:01 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/S.I., posted by AlM on Sat Sep 20 09:28:24 2014. You cannot add a train or 2 otherwise you would have to cut a corresponding number of E trains. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Sep 20 11:02:00 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Sep 20 10:35:06 2014. That's not the point. As usual we're now going around in circles and rehashing stuff already presented in this thread.Should lower level F's bypass, say alternate F local & express, then it's a service cut to local stations. If all F's are express, how do they get to a local stop before 7th Ave.? |
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Posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Sat Sep 20 12:38:45 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Fri Sep 19 09:35:01 2014. Under this scenario, the B would take over most of the Sea Beach service from the N, running weekdays, like the B does now. A Sea Beach-4th Av. local via tunnel and Broadway to Astoria, call it the W, would also provide service to the Sea Beach and 4th Av. local during rush hours (peak direction), nights, and weekends. Weekday non-rush hours, the W would operate local between Astoria and Whitehall. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Sep 20 13:08:59 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Sep 20 11:02:00 2014. BERGEN is a LOCAL Stop, *IF* the express tracks are to be used, treains will not stop at Bergen Street.IIRC the entry is at the NORTH end of the platform, and the stairway to the lower level was in the middle of the platform. ROAR |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Sep 20 15:34:35 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/S.I., posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Sep 20 10:41:12 2014. It was able to do it between 1968 and 1976! |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Sep 20 15:36:50 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Sep 20 13:08:59 2014. There are several stairways at Bergen between the upper and the lower. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Sep 20 15:38:12 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/S.I., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Sep 20 10:36:11 2014. True, but double ending will still work. I worked Church as both a M/M and a T/D so I'm fully aware of its capabilities. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Sep 20 16:12:42 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Sep 20 10:29:26 2014. That may be, but passengers run up and down steps like mad in every station in the city. |
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Posted by zac on Sat Sep 20 16:13:40 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/S.I., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Sep 20 10:48:01 2014. How about this: Add a few trains that terminate at 96th/2nd. You won't have to cut the E, I don't know about capacity along 6th Ave between Bway/Lay and 50th St, but casual observation says there is still some.Of course this won't be possible until they actually finish Phase I, and I'm not holding my breath. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Sep 20 16:20:06 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/S.I., posted by randyo on Sat Sep 20 15:34:35 2014. Yes! |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Sep 20 17:17:19 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/S.I., posted by randyo on Sat Sep 20 15:38:12 2014. It no longer has the same capabilities as it was in your day. I've said this many times in this thread and it has fell on deaf ears: new signals with timers and key bys.Plus in your time the lead, tracks 5 & 6 continued straight down along the wall to the blocks. Today when you leave Church s/b on 5 lead destined for 5 block, you have to come across toward 7, then cross over back to 5. Same goes for coming out of 6: you have to go from 6 to 8 back to 6 lead to come out. Track diagrams on line need to be updated. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Sep 20 17:22:25 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by italianstallion on Sat Sep 20 16:12:42 2014. Can we please stop going around in circles? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Sep 20 17:48:34 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by randyo on Sat Sep 20 15:36:50 2014. Guess LION only saw one of them.ROAR |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Sep 20 19:06:16 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Sep 20 17:48:34 2014. It used to be that the stairs were visible. Now they are behind steel doors. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Sep 20 19:54:36 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/S.I., posted by AlM on Sat Sep 20 09:28:24 2014. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Sep 20 19:58:59 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/S.I., posted by randyo on Sat Sep 20 15:34:35 2014. Back then it was 18 F and 12 E's per hour. Even with 9 TPH on the local tracks, Park Slope bitched about the halving of Manhattan bound local service.The problem with the Culver express is that 2 of the busiest stations and the busiest transfer point are local stations (15th St PP, Carroll St and 4th Ave). |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 20 20:33:27 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Sep 19 20:32:20 2014. I agree that local/express F north of Church is not workable. Now I asked this the other day, but did not follow closely enough to get an answer. Since 15 F's per hour south of Church is excessive for most stations, why not skip-stop between there and Kings Hwy or Avenue X, and speed up running times ?Call it Circle_F and Diamond_F. It works fine with the J/Z where the ridership east of ENY does not justify 12 train per hour at most intermediate stations out to Jamaica. |
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Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/S.I. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 20 22:23:46 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/S.I., posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Sep 20 10:41:12 2014. Are you serious?8 F locals,7 F express ,3 Hillside E,12Jamaica Center E...30tph for Queens Blvd Express. 8 F locals on Smith st..7 F exp...9 G local.More than enough service. |
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Re: Culver Express |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sun Sep 21 12:44:41 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 20 20:33:27 2014. "why not skip-stop between there and Kings Hwy or Avenue X, and speed up running times ?"It is purely probable that the amount of passengers on the platforms given the frequency of the trains allows the train traffic to move smoothly through those stations. Attempting to filter the riders among the trains might turn out to be non-productive, given the fall-off in ridership as the F-train approaches Coney Island. Meaning it is not worth the effort. As I understand it, the skip-stop operation on the J/Z lines is really about even passenger loading, the perception of a quicker ride. Mike |
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