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Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/ |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Sep 18 20:16:29 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 18 18:44:44 2014. Then what serves the Concourse local during rush hours? |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Sep 18 20:20:37 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Nilet on Thu Sep 18 18:47:22 2014. The switch S/O K/Hwy that used to bring N/B trains from the lcl to the exp has been removed therefore no access. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Sep 18 21:35:37 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by randyo on Thu Sep 18 20:20:37 2014. When was it removed? It was there a few years ago. |
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Posted by coneyisl on Thu Sep 18 22:24:02 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Nilet on Thu Sep 18 21:35:37 2014. It's been gone for a long time. There is a switch after Avenue X NB. Sort of mystifying that the NB KH switch was removed. I don't think there will be any money around to restore that switch. If there were to be limited Express service restored, to help out folks furthest south on the line you could run 4-5 TPH Express out of Stillwell and have them go express after Ave X. You could send 4-5 TPH put-ins out of CIY and start them at Ave X or Ave U. PM rush SB express to Stillwell, trains can switch local before OR after KH, If you ran 4-5 TPH SB locals to KH and then turn them or run them light to CIY I don't think it would break anybody's heart. I still don't quite understand why they ran some F Express SB from 18th Ave to KH in the 80's, although it was fun. Could have just been a throwback to the steel car shortage days. Maybe an old-timer out there knows the answer to that question. Years ago the Brighton Line ran 3 D trains out of Stillwell between 6:55 and 7:15 (approximately) that ran local then switched to the express tracks north of BB and some of the even earlier D trains out of Stillwell switched at KH because there were M and QB put-ins coming out of BB from the lay up tracks S of BB and on the express tracks between BB and SHB. It was a groovy ride for folks on the 3 stops before BB. Believe me. People in that area new what time the D Local/Express was coming through West 8th and OP. For the most part, those people weren't looking for the M or QB. OP to Rockefeller Center: 43 minutes flat. When the R46s replaced the R44s on the D around 1980, life was good. Big difference from the F though, because there were two Brighton Local Services. But, they all managed to dove tail together at Prospect Park without too much trouble. Merging Fs at Jay street shouldn't be a problem. If somebody really needs to get to 4th Ave there are plenty of opportunities to catch the F or G at Church or 7th. I might be mistaken, but I would venture to guess that there aren't too many people boarding the F at Neptune Ave to transfer at 4th Ave! |
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Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/ |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 18 23:26:04 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by randyo on Thu Sep 18 20:16:29 2014. The C,of course. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Sep 18 23:45:37 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 18 23:26:04 2014. Or the D. The Concourse line can live without express service. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Fri Sep 19 00:24:29 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by coneyisl on Thu Sep 18 22:24:02 2014. One reason for the truncated F-train peak direction rush hour express service from 18th Avenue to Kings Highway was due to Park Slope residents who were tired of running up/down the stairs at Bergen Street trying to figure out just where next Manhattan F-train will stop.In addition folks living along the Park Slope wanted quick direct access to Manhattan claiming that the local service provided out of the Kings Highway station was not frequent - long wait times. Park Slope residents petitioned their political leaders to make all F-trains ALL LOCAL ALL THE TIME between Bergen Street and Church Avenue! Park Slope residents being more numerous and politically active WON THAT BATTLE! All of this occurred in the 1980's, and this history is highlighted when it comes to discussions about restoring F-train express service in Brooklyn. The Park Slope stations (that is stations between Bergen Street and Church Avenue) have the highest ridership of all of the F-train Brooklyn stations, the very stations that would be by-passed by the express trains. So when some folks talk about restoring an Brooklyn F-train express service there are questions about just who will be helped by such an express service. These points have been debated and talked about previously several times on this very forum in the past. In the recent past when this issue was discussed, there was the idea of extending the V-train to serve as the Brooklyn express, allowing all F-trains to remain as the full-time local service. An idea that gives everyone a bit of something without reducing service to the high ridership local stations, and taking into account the switch situation at Kings Highway. The reconfiguration of the V-train into the current version of M-train (which has proved to be very useful to both segments of Queens that it serves), means that there is no space (as in trains per hour) on Sixth Avenue for additional trains. Thus to create an F-train express service in Brooklyn, the amount of F-trains that service the local stations will have to be reduced, increasing the waiting time of those politically-connected riders at most heavily used local stations. Mike |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Fri Sep 19 00:25:15 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 16 14:58:50 2014. Great post. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Sep 19 00:39:48 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Michael549 on Fri Sep 19 00:24:29 2014. well, there is a technical solution to the Bergen Street issue. We have arrival prediction software/hardware which could be used to give a display at the local level NB indicating the next 2 trains of each version. If the prediction hardware is any good we have solved the problem. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Fri Sep 19 01:08:45 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Sep 19 00:39:48 2014. I answered the question about the situation and the decisions that were made in the 1980's when the current "2014 arrival prediction software/hardware" definitely did not exist.There is another issue that has not been talked about in this discussion: "There are 14 tph on the F line in rush hour. So if trains are evenly spaced you wait little more than 2 minutes for a train on average." Imagine that your home station is on a subway line that during the rush hours has 14-15 trains per hour headed to Manhattan where the trains run every 3 to 4 minutes apart. This is the definition of frequent service in the recent decades on the Brooklyn F-train. The residents at the highest used stations of Park Slope, the politically active folk fought for and have become used to the frequent train service. What community would ever vote to have REDUCED train service? What community would ever willing request to have reduced train service? Where is the benefit to the folks at the higher ridership local stations to wait longer for train service? The folks that would by-passed by every proposed express service idea, or now local service scheme. Even with "2014 arrival prediction software/hardware" what community would ever vote for REDUCED train service? Mike |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Sep 19 01:42:52 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Sep 18 15:05:03 2014. For standees it's the stress factor; you have to shift around for people getting off at each stop. Whereas, an express, you don't have to move as much. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Sep 19 02:30:12 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Michael549 on Fri Sep 19 00:24:29 2014. Which is why I would restore express service between Jay and Church Avenue by diverting the (C) after West 4th and have it run with the (F) to Jay and then via the Culver Express to Coney Island (except overnights, when the (F) would run as it does now) while the (F) local along with the (G) would run to Church Avenue.As noted, the (E) would replace the (C) along Fulton Street and be a 24/7 line to Euclid (extended to Lefferts overnights to eliminate that late-night shuttle). This would allow the (A) to actually be express in Brooklyn at all times (though you could have the (A) and (E) both run local in the overnights as well and rush hours, some (E) trains, including all that go to/come from 179th would terminate at Chambers), plus I would have a supplemental (K) train back running its old Manhattan route of Chambers-168th at 2-4 TPH to accommodate those at WTC looking too lazy to walk to the the (A) platform or looking for Spring or CPW (and those at Canal and Spring looking for CPW). |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Sep 19 03:03:00 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by Nilet on Thu Sep 18 23:45:37 2014. Tell that to the Bronx residents! |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Sep 19 03:04:24 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 18 23:26:04 2014. Then Wash Hts passengers have no local service. Either that or the A has to male lcl stops between 168 and 145 which would also be unacceptable. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Sep 19 03:13:25 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by randyo on Fri Sep 19 03:04:24 2014. 2 more stops? How horrible! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Sep 19 03:59:18 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by Michael549 on Wed Sep 17 03:47:08 2014. Never mind that..I was intentionally playing Devils Advocate..just to see where it would go. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Sep 19 04:06:36 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by randyo on Fri Sep 19 03:04:24 2014. Why?Its two stops.. Hillside has no real express service ,though of use to have it all day. Now you Might get an E train during peak.. Or the hour long peak service the Z runs..which is stupid. Bring Back Full Bway El Express service. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Sep 19 04:22:25 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Michael549 on Fri Sep 19 00:24:29 2014. Big woop!15 tph F.plus 9tph G, is more than enough for them. Split the F with upper level short turns giving them 8tph local F,7tph exp F, Nine crosstown G per hour. Win win everybody is happy. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Sep 19 04:34:26 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Michael549 on Fri Sep 19 01:08:45 2014. I detect much sarcasm.With that,do you honestly expect anyone to tale you seriously when you constantly come off as a JERK? We are honestly searching for ways to help people. all we are getting from you is how fucking spoiled whining biychelike "Park Slop" rodents are going to cry about it! Come on,man! They aren't the only folks who ride the damn F train. screw em! |
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Posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Fri Sep 19 05:08:12 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 18 15:55:34 2014. Actually, I would have thought the other way around. Have Q (Brighton local) and Q diamond (Brighton express) serve Broadway, as this is what Brighton riders prefer, and D and N serve 6th Av., as this is what D riders prefer and the West End has more passengers than the Sea Beach. That would eliminate switching near Dekalb, but decrease options. Another advantage of such a set up is that it would easily allow the supplement of Q diamonds for weekend service during peak periods (summer, shopping prior to Thanksgiving and Christmas). |
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Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/ |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri Sep 19 05:17:00 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Sep 19 01:42:52 2014. FWIW, I'd argue that it's the psychological factor of being passed by somebody else going faster. OTOH, when I ride foreign systems, I don't miss the express service, and almost wonder why we bother with it. I became spoiled in London when the Central Line showed up every two minutes at the core stations... |
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Posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Fri Sep 19 05:22:44 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Sep 18 10:11:40 2014. I think the schedule shows a difference in travel time between Brighton expresses and locals as 6 minutes. From the infrequent visits I've had to New York, I've noticed it to be as much as 8 minutes. And that's even with the superior acceleration of the R160s on the local. I'm surprised that the difference is this high, I thought 30 seconds per stop = 4 minutes should be the difference. Apparently, it's because three of four the express runs reach 40+ mph for an extended period of time. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Sep 19 08:16:56 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Sep 18 16:14:19 2014. The difference is that W 4th Street is a flying crossover. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Sep 19 08:17:46 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by randyo on Thu Sep 18 16:16:57 2014. LIONS are dyslexic and will always get a binary option wrong. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Sep 19 08:24:02 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Michael549 on Thu Sep 18 16:17:24 2014. "To say that the Kings Highway station on the F-line, does not terminate and relay local trains - is just plain wrong, especially when that very operation has been done for days, months, weeks and years on end. Kings Highway local trains have been terminating there for years!" It *can* physically do it (sort of) but a LOCAL, in rush hour practice, cannot relay at KH when that track is needed by the express. In the early days of the line, all steel cars terminated at KH, and only wooden cars continued on to CI, this due to a shortage of steel cars which were needed back in the tunnels as soon as possible. Not only do you have to keep an eye on the tracks, but also on the clock, and the railroad. Trains can be scheduled to arrive and depart correctly, but a delay of 60 seconds can scramble that plan like a pan of eggs. Efficiency is the ruling factor. ROAR |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Sep 19 09:34:19 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/S.I., posted by Gene B. on Thu Sep 18 18:56:03 2014. Which is a good thing - frees the Culver line up for the people who don't have such options. Allows G service to operate! (If you made the Culver Line into a huge get-southern-Brooklynites-into-Manhattan-fast operation, while still serving Carroll Gardens and similar areas, the G line would end up bumped off, maybe not right away, but eventually. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Fri Sep 19 09:35:01 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Fri Sep 19 05:08:12 2014. What would serve Astoria (other than the Q)? What would happen to the B train in this scenario? |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Sep 19 09:40:13 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by coneyisl on Thu Sep 18 22:24:02 2014. I don't get why they won't follow a similar practice today for B trains coming out of (or going to) the yard.Not to slide over to buses, but in Omaha, NE, they keep their buses in service even when they are coming from and going to the depot! No deadheads! It's amazing. Unless it changed since 2012 they publish the time a particular run leaves the depot in the public schedules, and there's a bus stop right outside the depot that lets people on/off, and then the bus runs non-stop to its starting point. Quite interesting. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Fri Sep 19 09:49:53 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Fri Sep 19 05:08:12 2014. It also allows 4th Ave riders to still have a choice between Broadway and 6th Ave, whereas sending both the N and Q down 4th essentially makes it an extension of the Broadway BMT. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Sep 19 10:07:23 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Sep 19 00:39:48 2014. The solution to Bergen Street Lower Level is to KEEP IT CLOSED.It was necessary when the only train on the upper level was the (GG) and people needed a transfer to the (F). But with Manhattan trains running on the upper level, the lower level is moot and can be skipped by the express trains (if any) running on Smith Street. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Sep 19 10:14:54 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Sep 19 02:30:12 2014. "To say that the Kings Highway station on the F-line, does not terminate and relay local trains - is just plain wrong, especially when that very operation has been done for days, months, weeks and years on end. Kings Highway local trains have been terminating there for years!" NOT The (F) is the 24/7 service CI to 179, and it is LOCAL in Brooklyn due to congestive issues at Kings Highway. It could run EXPRESS between Jay and Church streets only. And EXPRESS [ok, call it the (C) for now] would run LOCAL between Jay and Church and could run some Rush Hour Express to Kings Highway. A passenger boarding the Manhattan train on the Smith Street Local would then change to a 6th Avenue train at HOUSTON street, were a selection of 6th Avenue trains would likely be available across the platform. The concept from the point of view of the LION is to keep switching and train congestion to a minimum as that will better serve the riding public than a one seat ride to somewhere. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Sep 19 10:17:12 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Edwards! on Fri Sep 19 04:22:25 2014. NOPEThe (G) train does not count since it does not go to Manhattan. ROAR |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Sep 19 11:17:57 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Michael549 on Fri Sep 19 00:24:29 2014. As per your first paragraph, I though all the F's were express and those riders getting on at 4th,Sm./9, Car'l & Bergen all had to schlep to the lower level as only the G was local. Those would have lots of transferees. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Fri Sep 19 11:19:22 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Michael549 on Fri Sep 19 00:24:29 2014. And that's where things go bad. The most you can get out of a V express is 6 tph (same as the C). Then those six V trains would have to merge in with the 14-15 tph of the F between Bergen and Jay. Then F and V trains would have to merge in with the 8 tph of the M at Broadway-Lafayette and stay that way all the way to Rockefeller Center. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Sep 19 11:24:10 2014, in response to Lower Bergen was: Culver Express, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Sep 19 10:07:23 2014. Definitely agreed. Unless there was a major population migration it will never be tolerable for only the Crosstown G to serve those local stations and so no changes at Bergen St will ever be needed. Also, an additional stop on a potential express will make such an express even less worth it to operate. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Sep 19 11:25:33 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Sep 19 00:39:48 2014. Jay St. would merge them in accordance with their scheduled time. As always, it works good on paper but realistically you WILL have upstairs and downstairs @ Bergen arriving at the same time or even one held as the second one to arrive could come into Jay first to keep them in place.We don't want passengers running up and down stairs risking injury just to get the first train to leave Bergen 2 minutes earlier than the follower as in this case both trains would leave Jay back-to-back anyway. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Fri Sep 19 12:09:36 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Fri Sep 19 11:19:22 2014. Please note that when the V-train existed (from 2001-2010), the current version of the M-trains (From 71st Avenue to Metropolitan Avenue) did not exist, then (pre-2010) the M-train during rush hours was traveling between Metropolitan Avenue and Bay Parkway on the D-line.Pre-2010 when the issue of the F-train Brooklyn express idea came up, the idea was to extend the V-train from Second Avenue to Brooklyn. On Sixth Avenue there would not have been a combination of the F-train, M-train or V-train on the same tracks, because the M-train was not traveling on Sixth Avenue at that time, but that was pre-2010. As was discussed on this forum after 2010, when the M-train was re-routed to Queens Blvd to end at 71st Avenue, that discussions of a Brooklyn express service was practically moot simply due to the "trains-per-hour" limitation - there was no extra room for additional trains. So after 2010 the issue of the Brooklyn express moved from one of bringing additional trains, to one of splitting up F-train service into local and express halves. As was typical of each debate, Wallyhorse would create all sorts of schemes to relocate various train lines to service the Brooklyn portion of the F-train. And yes, he is still doing that. The issue of a Brooklyn F-express has been debated on this forum several times! Mike |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Sep 19 13:05:46 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Sep 19 09:40:13 2014. AND serves the riders. "on the clock? in revenue service" |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Sep 19 13:17:58 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Sep 18 13:04:04 2014. What happens when you live in the sticks :)There are definitely advantages, but that is one of the downfalls. Back in the day, it wasn't as bad (you could probably get a NorthWORST 727 to MSP, then another flight to NYC or wherever, but deregulation took care of that). Thank you very much, Jimmy Carter >:( |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Sep 19 14:17:09 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Sep 19 13:05:46 2014. They also inform their passengers in the public schedules of interlining, telling them what route the bus will become at the end of its run, in case they want to stay on (and they don't have to pay again).Granted. . .Omaha routes are much simpler and less prone to traffic issues than in NYC. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Sep 19 14:22:00 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Sep 18 10:13:33 2014. If there's a problem on 8th ave, Culver E's could just go up 6th Ave and diverge at 53rd St. If the problem is farther north, just follow the F until it's time to split off. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Sep 19 14:25:46 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Sep 19 13:17:58 2014. I doubt that direct MSP to ABE flights were ever common. Were they?This all makes me remember how lucky I am to live close to both JFK and LGA. I don't think I've ever had to change planes twice on a single one-way trip. |
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Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/S.I. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Sep 19 14:28:58 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/S.I., posted by Gene B. on Thu Sep 18 18:56:03 2014. That, and it makes more stops on its way to midtown, stops which don't have separate express tracks. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Sep 19 15:26:03 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Sep 19 11:17:57 2014. Initially, that was the way it operated, however due to passenger complaints the operation was modified. The way it ran later was that Fs originating at K/hwy or Av X which ran lcl,on the Culver also ran lcl N/O Church Av. Fs originating at Stl which ran exp on Culver also ran exp N/O Church Av. That way passengers at the lcl stations N/O Church would have direct F service to Manhattan without having to go downstairs at Bergen or they could take the GG to either 7 Av or Bergen and change for the F if they didn't want to wait for an F lcl. This was only in the peak direction of traffic N/B in the AM and S/B in the PM. In the reverse direction of traffic all Fs ran exp between Church and Bergen leaving only the GGs serving the lcl stations |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Sep 19 15:28:02 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Sep 19 11:25:33 2014. As Lion said, just keep lower Bergen closed. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Sep 19 15:30:41 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Edwards! on Fri Sep 19 04:34:26 2014. Why call him a jerk? He seems quite thoughtful. He is only pointing out the political reality of screwing with the Park Slope crowd. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Sep 19 15:31:07 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Sep 19 11:25:33 2014. However, I have seen passengers do just that very thing at 86/Lex. They would wait midway between the upper and the lower and they would run up or down depending on which train came first the lcl or the exp. If the schedules are done right, they can be prepared so that a G on the upper and an F exp on the lower would arrive at approximately the same time so that iron would be clear when an F lcl came in on the upper. |
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Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/ |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Sep 19 15:32:30 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri Sep 19 05:17:00 2014. It depends. In some cities, I get frustrated at the constant stopping and starting of the locals, andthe slow speeds between closely-spaced stations, e.g., Paris. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Sep 19 15:34:13 2014, in response to Re: Culver Express, posted by italianstallion on Fri Sep 19 15:28:02 2014. The demographics of the neighborhood probably mandate that Bergen lower be reopened. There will always be passengers who will want to go to the lower level to get an F. If, for example a passenger is entering at Bergen just as an F is departing the upper level, that would mean that most likely, the next F would be on the lower so that's where a passenger would go to get the next Manh bound F. |
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Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/ |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Sep 19 15:36:28 2014, in response to Re: Rider's Wish List: (F) Brooklyn Express; Metro-North in Co-Op City; More rail service to Queens/, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri Sep 19 05:17:00 2014. In Tokyo there is that same desire for express service, at least on the commuter trains. Many of the major lines have multiple levels of express. However, the express trains actually do save time over the locals. |
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