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Penn Station Taxi Roadway… |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 13:58:10 2014 …should be reopened. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 6 14:02:14 2014, in response to Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 13:58:10 2014. Will never happen due to 9/11 Security issues. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 14:04:08 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 6 14:02:14 2014. It's stupid because planes can't fit in there. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 6 14:09:30 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 14:04:08 2014. But it is a cakewalk for car bombs. That is why many public buildings everywhere are enclosed with steel pillars on the sidewalks. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 14:22:26 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 6 14:09:30 2014. Yet the Park Ave Tunnel through the Helmsley Building remains open. |
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Posted by displaced angeleno on Sat Sep 6 15:14:32 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 14:22:26 2014. Good point. We should close that to cars, too. |
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Posted by R46 5636 on Sat Sep 6 15:25:18 2014, in response to Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 13:58:10 2014. I noticed they finally put a permanent line for the taxi stand by the 32 St Entrance to Penn Station. Before it was temporary barriers. That taxi line seems to be doing fine so I don't see why they need to re-open the Taxi Roadway.That brings me to the question, where is the taxi roadway? I've heard of this but I've never seen it or what was once a possible entrance. I might go in the area today so it would be cool to check out. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 15:28:53 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by R46 5636 on Sat Sep 6 15:25:18 2014. where is the taxi roadwayBetween 31st and 33rd streets, halfway between 7th and 8th Avenues. It's an underpass under Penn Station that used to be open to vehicles. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 6 15:50:36 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 15:28:53 2014. It is also where an AMTRAK GCT-NYP Shuttle bus (an Metro Apple Express GM SDH) operated from until 1991. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Sep 6 17:33:22 2014, in response to Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 13:58:10 2014. is that the one that goes underground&u-turns? if so,it was a trolley loop. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Sep 6 17:35:40 2014, in response to Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 13:58:10 2014. I noticed recently that the construction trailers that had resided there for the longest time were removed, which probably makes reopening it look more interesting. I am inclined to agree about the security issues at this point-- just too easy for someone to drive a car or truck bomb through there if it's open. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 17:37:31 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by R46 5636 on Sat Sep 6 15:25:18 2014. It is open to the elements and backs up traffic along the right side of 7th. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 17:39:22 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Sep 6 17:33:22 2014. No and it quite obviously was not. First, Manhattan never had "trolleys" and second, the last example of what might erroneously be called trolleys in Manhattan ended service decades before this was opened. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 17:39:50 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Sep 6 17:35:40 2014. I disagree with these concerns. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 6 19:51:34 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 17:37:31 2014. There is really no alternative. We are past the day we can run vehicles near and under buildings like that. If we had the Old Penn Station with that huge taxiway off 7th Avenue, they'd have to shut it. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 6 19:53:39 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 17:39:50 2014. I really don't think anyone in Amtrak, MTA, MSG, NYPD, DHS would agree with you. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Sep 6 19:56:46 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 17:39:22 2014. what the hell did people call them then? "oh james,take the crosstown CONDUIT CAR to the metropolitan conduit car" FYI: the brt TROLLEY LOOP at the Brooklyn bridge were trolleys.iirc 125st in harlem was under wire from river to river.its obvious that we are talking about 2 different things.post a photo of what you are referring to. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 20:04:15 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 6 19:51:34 2014. FALSE! As has already been said, they still have the Park Avenue roadway through the Helmsley Building. There are all those tunnels under buildings on the FDR, and in Chicago there's Congress Parkway/Eisenhower Expressway under the Post Office. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 20:05:02 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 6 19:53:39 2014. Too bad. They need to quit their jobs and put on their diapers. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 6 20:06:15 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 20:05:02 2014. Well that is not going to happen. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 6 20:13:00 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 20:04:15 2014. Those are through streets, which are a lot harder to shut down than a drop-off areas.You mention Chicago. Now go look at Union Station. You get taxis out on Canal Street now, not the traditional taxiway. All the Federal buildings along Dearborn Street are bordered with steel sidewalk pillars. (P.S. - it ain't a Post Office anymore) |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 20:24:52 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 6 20:13:00 2014. Those are through streets, which are a lot harder to shut down than a drop-off areas.So what's the point of shutting down the drop-off areas if you can't shut down the through streets? Suppose someone makes it into Manhattan with a Ryder truck full of explosives. OK, they won't go to Penn. They'll just head for 46th and make an illegal right turn under the Helmsley Building. And you could restrict access to Penn by having big anti-truck barricades that have to be lowered to let in a few cabs at a time. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 6 20:31:30 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 20:24:52 2014. Reduce liability exposure. They shut off what they can and cover their ass. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 20:42:08 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 6 20:13:00 2014. They shut down Park Row. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Sep 6 21:22:53 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 20:42:08 2014. Noe THAT was stupid. It doesn't even go under a building. |
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Posted by Asgard on Sat Sep 6 22:17:07 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 17:39:22 2014. "Manhattan never had "trolleys""Not true. Queensborough Bridge, Brooklyn Bridge, 207th Street crosstown ... |
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Posted by X-Astorian on Sat Sep 6 22:57:34 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by Asgard on Sat Sep 6 22:17:07 2014. "Manhattan never had "trolleys""Not true. Queensborough Bridge, Brooklyn Bridge, 207th Street crosstown ... " Because the cars that ran solely in Manhattan got their power from the conduit, strictly speaking they were streetcars, not trolley cars. In addition to 207th Street, the short Manhattan portions of Bronx routes had overhead wire on 181st but not 125th Street. If you're including off-street terminals, in addition to the two you mentioned, you'd have to add Delancey Street. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 7 00:07:56 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 14:04:08 2014. IAWTP |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 7 00:08:25 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 6 14:22:26 2014. Joe V got pwn3d!!!! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 7 00:08:57 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 6 14:09:30 2014. Um, they're called bollards. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 7 00:12:20 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 20:05:02 2014. +1 |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 7 00:13:18 2014, in response to Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 13:58:10 2014. AMEN.And then get rid of the damn taxis along the 8th Avenue side of Penn Station/MSG screwing up traffic. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Sep 7 02:39:58 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by italianstallion on Sat Sep 6 21:22:53 2014. That was done in the '70s I believe, WAY before 9/11 ever happened. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Sep 7 02:42:40 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 6 20:05:02 2014. Sorry, but with what's going on overseas right now, that would suddenly become a prime target. It was built in the 1960's before we had those kind of security concerns. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 7 05:16:40 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Sep 7 02:39:58 2014. LOL! No, it wasn't. It was done on 9/11. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 7 05:17:52 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by Asgard on Sat Sep 6 22:17:07 2014. I think it's clear that none of those count in a thread about Penn Station. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 7 05:19:11 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Sep 7 02:42:40 2014. No, it wouldn't. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 7 05:48:06 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 7 05:16:40 2014. Noun, verb, 9/11-- Rudy Giuliani |
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Posted by subfan on Sun Sep 7 06:51:59 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 7 05:16:40 2014. I'm pretty sure that's correct, though I couldn't swear to it. I do know with absolute certainty that it was open in the early 90s - I took that exit accidentally then once when I was trying to get on to the FDR northbound.subfan |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 7 07:01:03 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by subfan on Sun Sep 7 06:51:59 2014. The Times agrees with Spider-Pig. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 7 07:31:30 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Sep 7 00:08:25 2014. No he didn't, STUPID, and the taxiways are gone as such for good.If you feel otherwise, go write Amtrak and MSG and find out for yourself. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Sep 7 08:24:06 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by AlM on Sun Sep 7 07:01:03 2014. Where in that ARTICLE, NOT AN EDITORIAL does the Times say they agree with Spider? It's the people of Chinatown that do. Besides, the Times always takes the wrong side in EVERY issue. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 7 08:51:46 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Sep 7 08:24:06 2014. Where in that ARTICLE, NOT AN EDITORIAL does the Times say they agree with Spider?This is a discussion of fact, not opinion. It's very clear. Your comment about the Times is gratuitous and irrelevant here. Times: Park Row’s eastern half, from the Brooklyn Bridge to Chatham Square, has been closed to commuter traffic since Sept. 11, 2001 Spider-Pig: LOL! No, it wasn't. It was done on 9/11. The topic most recently under discussion in this thread is when Park Row was closed. Spider-Pig never expressed an opinion on whether it should be closed. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Sep 7 10:55:24 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by AlM on Sun Sep 7 08:51:46 2014. Excellent post. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Sep 7 10:55:53 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Sep 7 08:24:06 2014. You suffer from NY Times derangement syndrome. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Sep 7 11:30:52 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 6 19:51:34 2014. If someone was determined to bring a bomb into Penn Station, they could just put it in a suitcase they were carrying. Most of the "anti-terrorist" measures that have become so commonplace are "security theater", just things that are done to keep the "threat" alive in people's minds. IMHO. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 7 11:58:35 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Sep 7 11:30:52 2014. Well, suitcase bombs are a lot less powerful than truck bombs. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 7 12:02:17 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by italianstallion on Sun Sep 7 10:55:53 2014. And I wasn't even trying to set him off. I used Google and the NYT was the first reliable source that came up. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 7 12:09:07 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Sep 7 11:30:52 2014. AWESOME POST! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 7 12:11:53 2014, in response to Re: Penn Station Taxi Roadway…, posted by AlM on Sun Sep 7 11:58:35 2014. Trucks can still be blocked from entering by way of a low overhead barrier.Car bombs can still blow themselves up in the current, crowded taxi areas on 7th and 8th. |
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